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I promise this will be my last post ever trying to educate you dense motherfuckers. I'm addicted to this board cause I've been here for years, and time after time I've seen so many arguments against smogon based on either fallacy or miseducation. So I'll make this clear: >Why you SHOULDN'T hate Smogon 1. Tiers are based on usage. If your bro is PU or whatever, know that it's bad because people don't use it., not because boogyman smogon says so. Usage based tiers are one of the best ways to indicate viability. Sure, there's instances of new toy syndrome, misunderstanding of the meta, and forcing yourself to use bad mons for whatever reason that end up muddling the true viability. But these are small effects, and players end up being rational enough to pick and use the good mons, not the trash ones. And if you think your mon is so good, why dont you use it and show people your success; then it can catch on and be OU if it's so good. Note you have to be higher on the ladder, as low ladder fags dont influence usage. 2. Dont hate Smogon for bans. Most bans are suspect tests, so you can vote as well if you make the reqs. I have disagreed with bans before, but thats only my anecdotal opinion and evidence. Obviously if theres a ton of distinguished players voting one way, that is likely the best course for the meta. Why you CAN hate smogon: 1.Viability ratings are the only judgements on smogon and smogon staff that involve individual pokemon. And yes, they have been very wrong before and they are picky with who's voice gets heard. 2.Hate the child molesting, circle jerking staff. They fucking suck 3.Any other gay formalities like how faggot or tranny is filtered on the texts. I hope I cleared this up for you fucking losers. If you have any more questions, concerns, or death threats toward me, please list them in this thread.
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>>37291464 >3.Any other gay formalities like how faggot or tranny is filtered on the texts. >hurr durr why can't I insult the people I'm playing video games with Boo hoo. Smogonfags, everyone.
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>>37291482 Yes, this is a very valid reason to hate smogon. Talk more about this, not about your bros being shit
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I hate Smogon for their bans because their gen 5-7 tiering philosophy and vision for what the game should be is bad. The results speak for themselves, 6/7 OU especially are very homogeneous and boring.
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>>37291701 But YOU decide the bans. All you have to do is play and vote. Cant get the reqs or something?
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>>37291707 No, that's not how it works. Which pokemon are eligible for bans and whether or not your arguments are considered valid by the community derive from a fundamentally flawed philosophy. The suspect tests are largely a formality designed to prevent surprise random backlash and everyone involved knows this.
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>>37291729 What is stopping you from getting reqs and voting? I understand that not everything gets suspected, and you could argue that there are bigger fish to fry. I understand. Thats why i'm voting not to ban Zygarde; I dont think its as offensive as other threats like Ash Gren. And that's why I'll vote. I mean, last gen Mega Metgross stayed OU even though every OU leader wanted it gone. The votes matter, just get the reqs ya nig
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>>37291755 I already stated why that is irrelevant, either directly address my point or do not reply to my post.
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>>37291464 >2.Hate the child molesting, circle jerking staff. They fucking suck what did he mean by this
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What does untiered mean? Used less than never?
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>>37291777 Below PU by usage.
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>>37291767 Smogon isnt an onside job lmao
>>37291773 I dont hate the staff in particular for that reason, but im not blaming anyone who does
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>>37291830 i mean the context of why are they supossed to be child molesting
genuine question
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>batton pass banned >evasion banned >1HKO banned >Everything gets banned >New generations of Pokemon (including moves , abilities and items) enter but everything stays banned F U N
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>>37291838 Oh u never heard? Its real old news, but lotta higher ups were coercing kids into sending nudes in private chatrooms in exchange for smogon power or something idk. They’re gone now for the most part, but who knows.
>>37291866 No, not everything. Start of this gen Deoxeos D, Ageis slash, and Lando-I got unbanned but then banned again. However, Gren got unbanned and is still in OU. So no, not everything stays banned.
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>>37291464 >2. Dont hate Smogon for bans. I was salty about the Aegislash ban back then but I understood why it had to happen.
Banning Arena Trap Dugtrio on the other hand was crossing a line, imo.
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>>37291939 On one hand, I loved using Duggie, and it was easily one of my favorite mons in OU. However, i was below the 1700s, and from what I’m aware, top ladder stall was all about trapping with duggie, and it became really uncompetitive. It’s hard to justify say getting a KO if it meant that Duggie could just switch and revenge kill. Trapping in general is sketchy because of this, but at least Magnet Pull has a limites amount of mons worth trappin.
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>>37291928 Yeah,im talking about building a meta with only 1 playstyle, totally fine with stall but dont fucking bring a mon with trap, batton pass, evasion or a HKO move or anything that make our Smogon balanced teams struggle in a fight.
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>>37291701 5-7 had been some of the best in my memory. At the beginning of gen 5 they undid all bans and allowed more people into the voting process. Honestly it should have been the end-all for casual complaints.
Their suspect threads have also been managed a lot better and arent deliberate cocksucking. Most arguments are backed with a ladder rank, battle logs and a thesis paper practically. Youre either spoiled by the new gens or you didnt know how bad gen 3 was.
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>>37291970 So smogon specifically wants the entire of spectrum to be viable. Thats why overcentralizing strats like baton pass was banned. The entire ladder used it! It was crazy good. And stuff like OHKO moves and evasion were just too RNG based; nothing of value was lost. Play glare spam if you want luck to play for you, that isnt banned yet.
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>>37291464 >mods don't even play their own formats 9/10 times >half the tournaments scene cheats because there's no way to get caught cheating unless someone deliberately rats you out >"tiering philosophy" that basically means nothing because councils are circle jerks and voters vote based on impulse >a community of seething "contributors" that need to assert their opinion so fervently that they'll spend hours making forum posts about small changes between sub ranks on their viability rankings >https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-diglett-and-excadrill-suspect-discussion.3641738/ >playerbase is divided into an infinite amount of subformats which exacerbates every previous problem because it encourages players to stick around in these tiny communities to feel like they're important by giving them activity the only reason they're relevant in two-kay-18 is that they have the current best Pokemon sim as their official sponsor. I don't like VGC, but it's at least more respectable than smogon nowadays.
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>>37292075 You’re a little jaded with how you imply that the smaller playerbase does this to feel “important,” as many just like finding a meta they like. Sorry, not everyone’s favorite is vanilla, sometimes people like weird flavors is all.
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>>37292048 Maybe you could counter Batton Pass with anything that was banned :^)
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>>37291464 didn't even read a single gay post in this thread but I like this OP image, anymore like it?
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>>37291866 just play ubers lmao
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I do not hate competitive, at least not completely. I cannot support what Smogon does, because I believe it to be a futile gesture.
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>>37291464 >No real complex bans so blaze blaziken would be fine in RU/UU but is stuck because of speed boost and they just don't filter it to a higher tier >Even smogon knows usage stats are shit since they've been saying for all of BW to let ambipoom drop down but it stayed because low ladder loved it >Not testing a pokemon when it gets above 50%+ usage in a tier pretty sure at one point lando was at 52% Anonymous
>>37292098 Smogon's "brand" is being the best place for competitive singles. If you want a competitive game, it makes it infinitely more difficult to cultivate a playerbase by dividing it a million ways because suddenly all the talent and energy is being dispersed in an equally absurd amount of directions. Fun formats have a place just like Chess960 and flag football have a place as off-formats of their respective games. Smogon takes it ten step too far and endorses 7 current gen formats that aren't OU with 6 historic generations of OU for their formats. It is one of many active parasites killing the website. Definitely keeps PS thriving, though.
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>>37292156 Okay so no, usage stats start at 1695. Low ladder shitters don’t influence usage. Usage is fine because of this.
Lando wasn’t tested because it was believed to have numerable checks and counters, but yes, many times the thought of suspecting it was brought up. It just never was, and it’s fine as a staple. No one lost simply from the team preview because of it. It was just a good mon to have, and as much as it was centralizing, there were many other aspects of the meta unaffected by it.
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>>37292185 usage stats don't start at 1695 glicko, they're just more heavily weighted. low ladder has an effect on usage and you can see it frequently with d rank shitmons not dropping for months, if ever.
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>>37292178 >hard to cultivate a playerbase This is only true for the niche metas. The 7 popular, endorsed metas all have decently active players. So yes, there is a playerbase, and again the division only offers different, fun alternatives. Plus, it’s easy to be apart of many different metas. i’ve voted in suspect tests in tiers I don’t play often, just cause it was fun to enter the test and input my vote. The playerbase is fine atm for all serious metas.
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>>37291707 Why would I want to waste time grinding to get high-ranked in a format with shitty rules?
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>>37292217 Why would u waste time complaining about it faggot. If you wanna make a change, go prove yourself you fucking loser.
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>>37292201 I'm speaking purely from the standpoint of Smogon being a good competitive format. Being able to vote in a suspect test in a different tier is not the same as winning an elimination bracket on forums or getting drafted for a team tour. Most of the prominent OU players will tell you how bad the lower tier pool is because it's just bad players not being challenged by fighting other bad players.
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>>37292223 I understand that, but good players should be able to rise out from the shitty metas. When i tilt to the 1600s, the mind games and meta is so much different than the 1800s. Its so weird, but im not used to it, so I end up losing more than what I normally lose in the 1800s. But good players can adapt. Eventually, I adapt, and then I break the mold and get back on top.
Learn to adapt, then you can learn to
a s c e n d.
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>>37291464 as someone who uses smogon pretty frequently and likes it a lot, especially tours, you sound like such a faggot and you and your stuck up attitude are why karenfags dont like smogon
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>>37291464 >Hate the child molesting, circle jerking staff What?
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Can I hate them for fucking up UU and having it be a stall jerkfest while having 2 tiers worth of UUBL Pokémon banned