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How do we fix Ledian?

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 16:40:42 No.37468506 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>37468511 >>37468637 >>37468688 >>37468751 >>37469381 >>37469388 >>37469493 >>37469996

>Hidden ability Iron Fist
>Learns a bunch of punching moves including elemental punches
>35 attack

I really like Ledian's design and gimmick but the thing is unusable. What was Game Freak thinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 16:42:01 No.37468511 Report

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>>37468506
by not making it physical attacked with punching theme

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 16:49:38 No.37468538 Report

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One of my favorite designs in gen 2 ruined by its stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 16:51:55 No.37468553 Report

Quoted By: >>37468560

give it an evolution with a unique typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 16:52:47 No.37468560 Report

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>>37468553
>Bug/Dragon
yes please

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 16:56:17 No.37468576 Report

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Go back to how special attacks work in Gen 1
Iron Fist boosted Thunder Punch and Ice Punch coming off of 110 special will make it not useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:04:32 No.37468612 Report

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>>37468511
>pure Bug(/Psychic because of cosmic connection)
>to make use of its real gimmick - high special defense give it high HP and decent defense and speed
>new moves: Confuse Ray, Cosmic Power (lore), Dizzy Punch
>ability: Compound Eyes or Prankster

Now it should be good confusion jester with Confuse Ray+Prankster or Dizzy Punch+Compound Eyes. Has good defense with Cosmic Power and can do Silver Wind+Compound Eyes+Baton Pass combo.

(I'm not good at competitive but I think this is enough for weak Pokemon, also Dizzy Punch goes Psychic for potential STAB)

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Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:06:21 No.37468622 Report

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>>37468612

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Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:08:34 No.37468637 Report

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>>37468506
Go back 3000 years in time and give one to AZ before he finds Floette

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:12:17 No.37468655 Report

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Give it Protean

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:18:48 No.37468688 Report

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>>37468506
In the gen it was introduced it had the ingame niche of having duals screens by level up and some baton pass things. It was always meant to be a shit early game bug to show off different times of day encounters with Ariados. There's no way to really redeem it without some crazy evolution that gives it a huge buff like a big BST boost, something like Magic Guard, and a semi exclusive move like how Ariados got all the spider moves like Sticky Web.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:32:07 No.37468751 Report

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>>37468506
why can't smogonfags accept that some Pokémon are just meant to be shit? the real world isn't like tumblr where everyone is included and equal, sometimes life shits on you and there is no way to come back from it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:36:53 No.37468776 Report

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>How do we fix Ledian
by going to AG.

git gud scrub. it can set up for its team mates, wall with early bird, and can sweep if you manage to set it right. try using it beyond 'i give t choice/life orb and attack'.

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Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 19:30:44 No.37469337 Report

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>What was GF thinking?
Waiting for 3 entire generations to know what to do with Ledian until they made the Timegate traveler and gave her the role of a mean snooty ladybug with almost borderline femdom issues.

Now, submit to her so she can have her fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 19:34:28 No.37469350 Report

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>>37468560
>your first thought goes to Bug/Dragon and not Bug/Psychic
are you retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 19:44:43 No.37469376 Report

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>>37469350
bug fairy if already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 19:45:51 No.37469381 Report

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>>37468506
Kamen rider evo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 19:47:13 No.37469388 Report

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>>37468506
Just give Ledian a regional variant where its strongest stat is in attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 19:50:34 No.37469403 Report

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give it the move power trick!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:07:56 No.37469493 Report

Quoted By: >>37469521 >>37469695 >>37472473

>>37468506
>>37468612
Bug/Psychic
Swarm, Compoundeyes, Super Luck (It's good luck if ladybugs land on you)
HP: 70
Atk: 40
Def: 60
SpA: 70
SpD: 70
Spe: 90
BST: 400 (It's stats are now counterpart to Ariados)
New moves: Hypnosis, Quiver Dance, Confuse Ray, Cosmic Power, Focus Energy, Lucky Chant, Moonlight, Psychic, Psyshock, Moonblast, Energy Ball, Shadow Ball, Aurora Beam, Flash Cannon, Vacuum Wave
And of course, it still has Bug Buzz, Giga Drain, Air Slash, Focus Blast, etc.

There. I fixed Ledian.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:12:22 No.37469521 Report

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>>37469493
you can't fix what isn't broken.
also
>psychic, not fairy
NOW it needs fixing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:19:55 No.37469567 Report

Quoted By: >>37469583

>>37469521
>>37469521
>you can't fix what isn't broken.
Don't be an idiot.
>NOW it needs fixing.
Fairy didn't exist in Gen 2. Hypothetically, if it were introduced as Bug/Psychic, it wouldn't have been be retyped to Bug/Fairy in Gen 6. Also Psychic type is connected to light and cosmic lore. It's more fitting than Fairy, which only is marginally thematic.
Also, we now have a Bug/Fairy and Bug/Psychic would be the first and only of its kind, giving it some kind of niche. It's more fun this way. Please use that noggin of yours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:22:46 No.37469583 Report

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>>37469567
>Don't be an idiot
Don't be a scrub.
>Fairy didn't exist in gen 2
yet snubulll got it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:38:28 No.37469666 Report

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>>37469521
Expand the thought

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Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:41:22 No.37469678 Report

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>>37469583
>yet snubulll got it
Well, yeah? It could afford to change its type because it was mono Normal. For all the Pokemon that were retconned to be Fairy type, they either had their Normal type replaced (Clefairy, Togepi lines) or had Fairy added as a secondary type (Jigglypuff, Ralts, Marill lines, etc). Normal was the only type they were willing to change and no secondary typings were outright replaced for old Pokemon.
If Ledian was hypothetically a Bug/Psychic to begin with, they wouldn't have changed its type to Bug/Fairy. It's also why they didn't change its actual Bug/Flying type into Bug/Fairy for thematic purposes.
Can't believe you can't grasp this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:44:27 No.37469695 Report

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>>37469493
>moonlight over morning sun
You don't even understand the concept and you still made a shitmon.

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Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:47:26 No.37469714 Report

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>>37469337

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Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 20:54:31 No.37469747 Report

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>>37469695
Yes, you find it in the morning but the Pokedex clearly points to it being themed around starlight and the night sky. Moonlight is more thematically fitting than Morning Sun. It's like you guys don't even play Pokemon.
>it's still a shitmon
>it's a "every Pokemon has to be comp viable or its bad" episode
Not every Pokemon is made equal, and I still made it USABLE. Seems plenty fine for in-game, kind of like Vivillon. It's fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 21:00:45 No.37469773 Report

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>>37469747
To clarify a bit further: Yes, the sun is a star but the Pokedex alludes to the stars at night.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 21:10:42 No.37469810 Report

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>>37469678
Yes, this if GF's stupid autism
unless if it comes to Surskit, Gloom and Onix

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 21:35:49 No.37469910 Report

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999 in every stat but only for the first turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 21:37:04 No.37469917 Report

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>>37469810

And gets x2 on everything when it's switched in again for 1 turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Jan 2019 21:53:24 No.37469996 Report

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>>37468506
Belly drum baton pass smeargle

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Jan 2019 07:47:35 No.37472473 Report

Quoted By: >>37472518

>>37469493
>Quiver Dance
But it's not a butterfly, a moth, or a dancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Jan 2019 08:04:27 No.37472518 Report

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>>37472473
If a bee fly and a molted cockroach can learn it so can a ladybug.

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