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Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:38:13 No.37872989 View View Reply Original Report

What the fuck is the point of Sparkling Aria?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:40:14 No.37873012 Report

Quoted By: >>37873611

>>37872989
Has a cute animation. grass owl's move is the blandest and fire cat's move at least has charm even if I hate the pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:40:18 No.37873013 Report

Quoted By: >>37878583

It's Primarina's signature move

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:41:00 No.37873023 Report

Quoted By: >>37873063 >>37873105 >>37881901

>>37872989
Hitting Celesteela and Gliscor behind Substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:41:03 No.37873026 Report

Quoted By: >>37873105

Bypasses Substitute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:41:07 No.37873027 Report

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flavour

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:42:19 No.37873042 Report

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Its really weak flavour but that is the idea yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:42:40 No.37873048 Report

Quoted By:

>>37872989
Bypasses Substitutes and has the same power as Surf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:42:52 No.37873052 Report

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>>37872989
Competitively, it is sound based and hits past subs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:43:48 No.37873059 Report

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You use Sparkling Aria in singles to bypass Subs, and Liquid Voice Hyper Voice in doubles because it doesn't hit your ally

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:43:56 No.37873063 Report

Quoted By: >>37873078 >>37873085

>>37873023
But all sound moves do. The secondary effect is useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:44:03 No.37873065 Report

Quoted By: >>37874006

>>37872989
Do you mean what's the point of it removing Burn from the target? I don't know what the point of that is. Maybe if it worked like Smelling Salts and did double damage to burned opponents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:44:58 No.37873078 Report

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>>37873063
It's just a Surf that bypasses Substitute, the secondary effect is just flavour.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:45:06 No.37873080 Report

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>>37872989
Sparkling aria healing burn was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:45:44 No.37873085 Report

Quoted By: >>37875345

>>37873063
The secondary effect doesn't hinder the move either though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:47:49 No.37873103 Report

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>>37872989
>only notable quirk is being a water type sound move
>hidden ability make hyper voice the exact same except it doesn't remove burns anymore and in doubles doesn't hit allies
they really didn't think this through

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:47:53 No.37873105 Report

Quoted By: >>37873283 >>37873312 >>37873337

>>37873023
>>37873026
Sucks that its HA makes it redundant, though. Unless you really want to use its Z-Move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:48:03 No.37873110 Report

Quoted By: >>37873157

>>37872989
No clue but it along with Throat Chop, Spirit Shackle and Anchor Shot stack with Sheer Force for some weird ass reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:48:53 No.37873118 Report

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>>37872989
>Liquid Voice missing one line of code in which it boosts damage to be worth something.
>The same might have happened to Sparkling Aria.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:51:54 No.37873157 Report

Quoted By: >>37877627

>>37873110
those all have secondary effects, why wouldn't they work with sheer force?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Mar 2019 23:59:26 No.37873273 Report

Quoted By: >>37874185

Give Primarina Water Bubble instead of Liquid Voice. There, you have stronger Water moves, and a more practical way to say “fuck off” to burns as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:00:17 No.37873283 Report

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>>37873105
Which you do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:02:40 No.37873312 Report

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>>37873105
Torrent isn't that bad. Primarina has just enough bulk to survive most hits and strike back with a big boost thanks to it. Torrent boosted Oceanic Operetta is awesome.
Liquid Voice and Hyper Voice are better for Doubles.
None of these abilities are very good but I like that Hyper Voice + Liquid Voice and Torrent + Sparkling Aria have different niches instead of having one useful ability completely outclass the other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:04:50 No.37873337 Report

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>>37873105
Why would you use liquid voice though? Torrent at least gives you an offense buff at low health.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:08:12 No.37873386 Report

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>>37872989
Could've been a good move for a niche Pokemon in doubles had they not let it damage teammates for whatever fucking reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:16:35 No.37873487 Report

Quoted By: >>37873500 >>37873558

>>37872989
Snuffs flame orb strats. In other words useless because misty terrain exists. Just a worse surf that cures burns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:17:48 No.37873500 Report

Quoted By: >>37876688

>>37873487
Apparently hits through sub too so I guess that's something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:23:43 No.37873558 Report

Quoted By: >>37873581 >>37876688

>>37873487
>worse

>hits through subs
>doesn't hit ally in doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:25:28 No.37873581 Report

Quoted By: >>37874230

>>37873558
Sparkling Aria hits your ally in Doubles though. Still, it's a better Surf by virtue of hitting through subs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:26:07 No.37873586 Report

Quoted By: >>37873765 >>37876837

>that incineroar set
what the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:28:34 No.37873611 Report

Quoted By: >>37873625 >>37873635

>>37873012
>and fire cat's move at least has charm even if I hate the pokemon
How can you claim that Darkest Lariat is fine but Spirit Shackle is the blandest when Darkest Lariat doesn't even have a neat side effect like both Spirit Shackle and Sparkling Area do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:29:32 No.37873625 Report

Quoted By: >>37873648 >>37874079

>>37873611
Darkest Lariat ignores Defense boosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:30:34 No.37873635 Report

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>>37873611
I just mean watching the animations. I don't play competitive so all the moves are fine in game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:31:31 No.37873648 Report

Quoted By: >>37873819 >>37873821

>>37873625
Who the fuck uses defense boosts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:41:10 No.37873742 Report

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>>37872989
Where’s Hydro Pump faggot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:43:45 No.37873765 Report

Quoted By: >>37873955 >>37876837

>>37873586
I didn't make it, but I can assume the strategy was
>Flame Charge to boost Speed whenever possible
>Darkest Lariat for STAB and ignore enemy buffs
>Cross Chop for coverage
>Earthquake because it's Earthquake
Granted, Cross Chop is redundant and could be replaced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:47:35 No.37873819 Report

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>>37873648
>What is Curse
>What is Coil

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:47:49 No.37873821 Report

Quoted By: >>37874125

>>37873648
>What is stall?
>What is Baton Pass chaining?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:50:59 No.37873851 Report

Quoted By: >>37873861 >>37873882

>giving starters signature moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:51:57 No.37873861 Report

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>>37873851
Why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:53:29 No.37873882 Report

Quoted By: >>37874147

>>37873851
Starters have had signature moves since FRLG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 00:58:57 No.37873955 Report

Quoted By: >>37873968

>>37873765
Yeah that Cross Chop is triggering me. Doesn't Incineroar learn Drain Punch? Why use any fighting move but that when you're slow and bulky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:00:12 No.37873968 Report

Quoted By: >>37874010

>>37873955
Might be pre-USUM. He got Drain Punch then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:04:31 No.37874006 Report

Quoted By:

>>37873065
Guts removal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:04:57 No.37874010 Report

Quoted By:

>>37873968
Oh yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:05:22 No.37874013 Report

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>>37872989
Primarina's signature move. Manipulates bubbles with its voice to damage an opponent and heal their burns. As a sound move, it hits behind subs but Soundproof mons are immune. Also a spread move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:09:07 No.37874052 Report

Quoted By: >>37874106 >>37874139

>>37872989
>Decidueye's signature move is ghost
>Incineroar's signature move is dark
>Primarina's signature move is not fairy
I never understood this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:11:17 No.37874079 Report

Quoted By: >>37874175

>>37873625
In my defense, I forgot because almost no one ever boosts defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:13:35 No.37874106 Report

Quoted By: >>37874125

>>37874052
Why? They don't need to follow the same rules, they are different Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:15:40 No.37874125 Report

Quoted By: >>37874145 >>37874268 >>37874383

>>37873821
>What is Baton Pass chaining?
Something that no one ever uses since it was banned.
>>37874106
>Why?
It's self explanatory. Because the only outlier to the pattern is Primarina. He's not saying that it's wrong, he's merely saying that it's weird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:17:41 No.37874139 Report

Quoted By: >>37874193

>>37874052
Primarina manipulates bubbles. Incineroar uses a double dark lariat. Decidueye traps an opponent by their shadow by shooting an arrow at their shadow. I don't mind their moves' types. But what I do mind is this. Fankly, one of the worst parts of SM's storyline is that you get Decidueye or Incineroar's Z-Crystal before you get their move type's Z-Crystal. So you already "know" the pose for the Ghost and Dark Z-Moves before the NPCs show you how to do them during their trials. It's stupid. Should have given you the Z-Crystal after Aether invasion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:18:22 No.37874145 Report

Quoted By: >>37874193

>>37874125
Autism aside, there's no real reason why they should all have moves based on their secondary typing instead of whichever one fits their theme the most

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:18:31 No.37874147 Report

Quoted By: >>37874596

>>37873882
Blaze Kick, Leaf Blade, and Muddy Water were introduced in Ruby and Sapphire. They just became normal moves in the next generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:21:32 No.37874175 Report

Quoted By: >>37874193 >>37874196

>>37874079
>In my defense
Darkest Lariat doesn't care about your defense

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:22:12 No.37874185 Report

Quoted By: >>37874622

>>37873273
>water bubble
>on a bulky water with 126 Spa
>scalds literally turns into an hydro cannon that burns
do you even understand the consequences of that ? this would literally make primarina the top tier water type in all of OU even possibly getting banned to Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:23:07 No.37874193 Report

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>>37874175
I noticed the pun myself.
>>37874145
He does have a very good reason, to be honest >>37874139

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:23:13 No.37874196 Report

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>>37874175

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:25:03 No.37874216 Report

Quoted By:

>>37872989
A signature move for the sake of a signature move. It turns into a cool-looking z-move and hits behind subs, so it's cool, even if pointless.

I wish it doubled in power when healing a burn, much like smelling salts/wake up slap. It'd fuck guts users over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:26:47 No.37874230 Report

Quoted By: >>37874243

>>37873581
>Sparkling Aria hits your ally in Doubles though

Can someone confirm this? This is the stupidest shit if so

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:28:27 No.37874243 Report

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>>37874230
From bulba:
>Sparkling Aria inflicts damage to all adjacent Pokémon, including allies. If the target was burned, the burn is healed. Pokémon with the Ability Soundproof, Dry Skin, Storm Drain, or Water Absorb are not affected by this move. Burned Pokémon aren't healed of their burns if the move doesn't affect them.
I guess it's cool in doubles if you have a cradily or some shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:30:09 No.37874268 Report

Quoted By:

>>37874125
Two is not a pattern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:39:14 No.37874383 Report

Quoted By:

>>37874125
>Something that no one ever uses since it was banned.
Not in the actual games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:49:08 No.37874495 Report

Quoted By:

I figured it was to take down a guts/flame orb user, but that seems so specific.
It would almost never be useful. Especially when flame orb would just reactivate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:56:56 No.37874596 Report

Quoted By:

>>37874147
Heat Crash

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:59:04 No.37874616 Report

Quoted By: >>37874629 >>37874652 >>37874683

If I use this with a gastrodon in doubles will the attack still hit the enemy pokemon or just target gastrodon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 01:59:27 No.37874622 Report

Quoted By: >>37874727

>>37874185
>220BP Hydro Pump without STAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:00:07 No.37874629 Report

Quoted By: >>37874642

>>37874616
it hits everything
first time playing the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:01:06 No.37874642 Report

Quoted By:

>>37874629
Just never got into the gen 7 competitive scene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:02:11 No.37874652 Report

Quoted By: >>37874670

>>37874616
If it has Storm Drain then the move will only hit Gastrodon, yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:04:35 No.37874670 Report

Quoted By: >>37874709

>>37874652
Dangit
Was hoping it would hit everything but gastrodon would get a free boost. Oh well, thanks anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:06:14 No.37874683 Report

Quoted By: >>37874739

>>37874616
It hits everything because it's a multi-targeting move. Gastrodon just happens to absorb the part of it that hits on its direction. If it was a single-target move like hydro pump, it would be redirected towards gastrodon regardless of intended target.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:08:39 No.37874709 Report

Quoted By: >>37874739

>>37874670
Oh shit, no, that is how it works. I was thinking Storm Drain had a Lightning Rod effect for some reason, you're good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:10:18 No.37874727 Report

Quoted By: >>37874913

>>37874622
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 368-434 (52.3 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:12:22 No.37874739 Report

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>>37874683
>>37874709
Alright cool, I like primarinas design, and gastrodon has been one of my favorites. Maybe I will give it a go and go get my ass stomped.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:16:28 No.37874786 Report

Quoted By:

>>37872989
>Can get psychic.
>Is denied calm mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:19:24 No.37874816 Report

Quoted By:

>>37872989
Gamefreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:29:24 No.37874913 Report

Quoted By: >>37875052

>>37874727
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Chansey in Rain: 408-480 (58 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:43:18 No.37875052 Report

Quoted By:

>>37874913
Insta ban to ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:48:57 No.37875128 Report

Quoted By: >>37875159

>>37872989
you're one of those people that thinks only moves that do a ton of damage in one hit are worthwhile, I'm guessing? aka, a child/autistic person?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 02:51:41 No.37875159 Report

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>>37875128
But that's all Sparkling Aria does, unless you're up against a burned Guts pokemon or have a doubles ally that's burned and can tank a hit. Both exceedingly rare situations.

fig

fig Thu 07 Mar 2019 03:07:04 No.37875345 Report

Quoted By: >>37875373 >>37879782

>>37873085
how is healing your opponents' pokémon not counter-productive?

I can think of one (1) possible scenario (heal a burn so you can inflict a different kind of status) and it's so stupidly specific, prediction-based and turn-consuming it wouldn't be worth a move slot even if Primarina had a dozen of them

specially when liquid voice hyper voice is a thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 03:09:54 No.37875373 Report

Quoted By:

>>37875345
Primarina doesn't rely on the opposing Pokemon being burned. It's primary used as a wallbreaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 05:35:36 No.37876688 Report

Quoted By:

>>37873558
See
>>37873500
This is me as well as the post you replied too. Didn't know it hit through subs until earlier today. The animation didn't make it look like a sound move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 05:54:28 No.37876837 Report

Quoted By:

>>37873586
>>37873765
>using incineroar outside of doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 05:58:38 No.37876866 Report

Quoted By:

>>37872989
My head canon
It's to balance the fact that Oceanic Opera is stronger than the other starters' Z-moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 06:01:37 No.37876881 Report

Quoted By:

>>37872989
You're one of those twelve year olds that spams hyper beam on all your pokemon huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 06:38:45 No.37877119 Report

Quoted By: >>37877678

>Liquid Voice
>not Liquidize so it doesn’t need to be tied to sound-based Normal moves only

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 07:53:59 No.37877627 Report

Quoted By:

>>37873157
Because Thousand Waves isn't boosted by Sheer Force even though it has the exact same effect as Anchor Shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 08:03:41 No.37877668 Report

Quoted By:

>>37872989
So that hau can kill your pokemon if you chose owl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 08:07:01 No.37877678 Report

Quoted By: >>37882647

>>37877119
Honestly I don't get why they didn't do this. Or at least why they didn't give a multiplier to Liquid Voice. It's the same gripe I had with Pixilate during XY leaks, I asked to myself what the point of the ability was since Gardevoir learns Moonblast which is stronger than Hyper Voice with a better secondary effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 10:50:58 No.37878583 Report

Quoted By:

>>37873013
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 13:22:05 No.37879545 Report

Quoted By:

>>37872989
To heal your ally in a double battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 13:32:42 No.37879607 Report

Quoted By: >>37879629

Sparkling Aria is used to bypass Substitute and possibly hinder Pokemon that rely on Guts for big boy damage. It also gives acces to its Z move. Liquid Voice's only niche is in Doubles when you want to use Hyper Voice for a better Surf/Sparkling Aria. Torrent is overall better, but not stellar, as Primarina has generally enough bulk to withstand a physical hit (though most builds run max speed for some dumb reason).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 13:36:04 No.37879629 Report

Quoted By: >>37879645

>>37879607
To outspeed slower defensive mons. Come on man

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 13:38:08 No.37879645 Report

Quoted By: >>37879708 >>37880651

>>37879629
I get that, but are 252Evs really necessary to do so?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 13:47:11 No.37879708 Report

Quoted By:

>>37879645
Most sets don’t fully invest in speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 13:49:47 No.37879735 Report

Quoted By: >>37879832 >>37880624

>| 3 | Primarina | 19.76026% |
I noticed Primarina is more used than before in UU, what changed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 13:53:58 No.37879772 Report

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Surf ain't available until postgame in SM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 13:55:35 No.37879782 Report

Quoted By:

>>37875345
Because it's basically flavor, you're never going to see it actually heal a burn in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 14:01:35 No.37879832 Report

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>>37879735
Probably in response to more prominent threats in the metagame. Notice how the two Pokémon use more than it are threatened by Primarina. Hell most Pokémon in UU in general don’t like dealing with Primarina at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 15:38:59 No.37880600 Report

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>>37872989
It can bypass substitu, primarina is bulky enough to be able to activate torrent at least once, and if you want to surprise your opponent you may use it for the Oceanic Operetta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 15:41:41 No.37880624 Report

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>>37879735
Primarina was always one of the defining pokemon of the UU tier for sun and moon. Also fini is not UU so it has no competion for it's roles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 15:44:26 No.37880651 Report

Quoted By:

>>37879645
Not really, my EV distribuition is the same that was used in sylveon during the XY/ORAS era and it works fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 18:00:18 No.37881901 Report

Quoted By: >>37881906 >>37881922

>>37873023
>Sparkling Aria
>hitting behind Substitute
explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 18:01:01 No.37881906 Report

Quoted By:

>>37881901
sound goes through little plush

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 18:02:33 No.37881922 Report

Quoted By:

>>37881901
Sound moves hit through subs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Mar 2019 19:12:44 No.37882647 Report

Quoted By:

>>37877678
>Hyper Voice
It hits both opponents in doubles, that's the whole point.

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