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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 01:28:27 No.37901432 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>37901441 >>37901482 >>37901544 >>37902737 >>37902836 >>37902892 >>37903074

Gengar is going to drop to RU in Gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 01:29:18 No.37901441 Report

Quoted By: >>37901501

>>37901432
Good.

Reminder that Gengarfags are insufferable faggots and should gassed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 01:32:55 No.37901482 Report

Quoted By: >>37901732

>>37901432
he had a good run, not many gen 1 mons can claim to be a strong meta pick for so many generations in a row

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 01:34:17 No.37901501 Report

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>>37901441
>should be gassed

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 01:38:49 No.37901544 Report

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>>37901432
>if he drops to ru, then i'll finally be able to use a bunch of my other favorites along with him
>his mega will be banned no matter what because nobody is able to handle shadow tag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 01:53:40 No.37901732 Report

Quoted By: >>37901991 >>37902071

>>37901482
and he got fucked mostly because Game Freak decided to nerf him. They ever hardly nerf anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:12:10 No.37901991 Report

Quoted By: >>37902060 >>37902328 >>37902393 >>37902728 >>37904146

>>37901732
He got buffed you stupid autistic retard. Meta is dominated by tapus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:18:26 No.37902060 Report

Quoted By: >>37902132

>>37901991
>Cursed Body

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:19:04 No.37902071 Report

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>>37901732
It hits hard when it happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:23:01 No.37902132 Report

Quoted By: >>37902191

>>37902060
It's not like Cursed Body is a shitty ability you ape. Can fuck over choice'd Pokemon or negate shit like Scizor Bullet Punch. It's still a good Pokemon. Again also look at how much usage the Tapus get, benefiting from Electric, Misty, and Grassy terrain is huge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:28:13 No.37902191 Report

Quoted By: >>37902278 >>37904095

>>37902132
For gengar it is objectively worse than levitate. Also I dont see why tapus are factoring into this all of the sudden. How, it now gets boosts 60% of the entire meta gets. Great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:36:57 No.37902278 Report

Quoted By: >>37902376 >>37902410 >>37904272

>>37902191
>Gengar loses levitate
>In the generation that introduces four legendary Pokemon with broken abilities
>the fact that it lost levitate means that it benefits from all of them
>no status, no sleep (hypothetical boosted thunder bolts but no one runs t-bolt anymore admittedly), 50% reduction from Earthquake and other ground type moves and healing in Grassy Terrain.
The only one it doesn't benefit from is Lele's. Maybe it's because I play doubles and earthquake isn't used as much so Gengar never had to worry about dying to it instantly as much but it benefiting from terrains is more than enough for me to consider Cursed Body the superior choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:39:48 No.37902328 Report

Quoted By: >>37904095

>>37901991
>buffed
Oh yes, removing an ability that literally makes it imune to one of his weaknesses and replace it for one it can barely make any use of is a great buff, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:43:06 No.37902376 Report

Quoted By: >>37902440 >>37902466 >>37904520

>>37902278
>Gen 6
>Gengar has levitate
>OU
>Smogon ranked B in OU

>Gen 7
>Gengar gets Cursed Body
>Drops to UU
>Smogon ranked C in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:43:52 No.37902393 Report

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>>37901991
Redpilled. /vp/ is bad so they they think Gengar used to be a Landorus counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:44:59 No.37902405 Report

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Gengar no longer has Levitate? Just use Haunter, problem solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:45:17 No.37902410 Report

Quoted By: >>37902466

>>37902278
Scarf Lando still OHKOs Gengar even in Grassy Terrain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:47:29 No.37902440 Report

Quoted By: >>37902466 >>37902501 >>37902898

>>37902376
>Gen 5
>Clefable is irrelevant

>Gen 6
>Clefable gets +10 Sp. Attack
>It's now the best Pokemon in the game
>Fairy type had nothing to do with it

Stop looking at things in a vacuum moronic casual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:49:35 No.37902466 Report

Quoted By: >>37902501 >>37902504 >>37903132

>>37902376
I said I played doubles. no surprise the Gengarfag can't understand that. I don't care about your shitty fan-fiction tiers. It's not the fact gengar lost levitate that it's dropping, it's the fact it simply got power crept by all the shit GF has been introducing.

>>37902440
Not even him but Fairy type on Clefable was huge and don't try to act like it wasn't.

>>37902410
give me a calc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:51:43 No.37902501 Report

Quoted By: >>37902560 >>37902592 >>37903228 >>37903997

>>37902440
Im confused as to what your argument is here. Clefable got clear buffs which caused it to go up in the tier lists. Gengar got clear nerfs which caused it to go down (a trend it was starting to follow anyway)

Gengar's stats are straight up just bad nowadays. 110 speed is barely anything and 130 Special Attack is just barely scratching the benchmark for being above average. Its not even good in UU.

>>37902466
244 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar in Grassy Terrain: 266-314 (101.9 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

And the OP was never about just Cursed Body in the first place. Obviously thats not the only reason its dropping if you look at its mediocre stats. But losing Leviatate hurt way more than gaining Cursed Body helped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:52:02 No.37902504 Report

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>>37902466
>Not even him but Fairy type on Clefable was huge and don't try to act like it wasn't.

Yeah I'm being ironic, funny that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:55:38 No.37902560 Report

Quoted By: >>37902592 >>37902635 >>37902786 >>37904095

>>37902501
Don't blame one small change in a Pokemon's attributes for a drastic change in viability. It's idiotic. Gengar is UU because it's a frail piece of shit that can't hurt OU's special walls. Cursed Body if anything is a buff because at least it does something other than Levitate being an occasional factor in endgame scenarios.

Gengar was almost never switching into something using a Ground type move. Levitate wasn't even a good ability for it so people should stop blaming Cursed Body as a nerf and start looking at what a shitmon Gengar is regardless.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 02:58:22 No.37902592 Report

Quoted By: >>37902635

>>37902501
Fair enough on the Lando-calc. Though I still firmly believe that in a meta where almost every team is guaranteed to have a tapu on it is pretty big for Gengar. Pic related is current DOU usage. 3 out of 4 tapus are in top 10 with Bulu in the 11 spot. If Gengar was given Cursed Body without Tapus then I MIGHT consider it a nerf but these fucking unga bunga islander Pokemon are everywhere and they helping Gengar, plus Cursed Body is still good in general. People seem to sleep on the ability. I've been fucked over by Gengar's more often because they disable some priority move I needed or a choice'd Pokemon of mine.

also what he said >>37902560
like I said before, the power creep finally caught up to it. It just can't keep up with the shit GF is putting into their games now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:01:48 No.37902635 Report

Quoted By: >>37904095

>>37902560
>>37902592
Oh ya having Cursed Body isn't the only thing holding it back, which is why I predicted it would continue to drop. But I still think Levitate is the better ability. It gives potentially free switch-ins which is huge for a Pokemon with no defensive merit outside of its immunities. Cursed Body isn't guaranteed to do anything anytime and if it does, Gengar is probably going to be dead anyway. Its too situational for anyone to go out of there way to use it or build a team around it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:10:03 No.37902728 Report

Quoted By: >>37904504

>>37901991
Its speed tier was made less relevant, its balance-breaking abilities were severely nerfed by the loss of Levitate and the introduction of fat threats like Toxapex and Magearna, it received direct competition in the form of Blacephalon, and it generally struggles to check the new Fairy types. In what way was it buffed?

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:10:39 No.37902737 Report

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>>37901432
It'll drop to RU this gen once blacephashit drops into UU.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:13:57 No.37902766 Report

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Ronald McDonald dabbed on Grimace hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:15:16 No.37902786 Report

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>>37902560
>Gengar was almost never switching into something using a Ground type move. Levitate wasn't even a good ability for it
The ground immunity was great for deterring choiced EQs lategame and finding opportunities to get in and throw out attacks. Obviously Gengar wasn't your Garchomp or Excadrill check, but the immunity was still useful for getting such a frail mon on the field. Nowadays Gengar struggles to switch in, and then doesn't threaten common fatmons once you do get in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:16:52 No.37902811 Report

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>buff vs nerf retards acting like GF couldn't have just given the Gastly family Cursed Body as an alternative ability
Why are you all so stupid?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:17:44 No.37902827 Report

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>Garchomp is gonna drop to UU in Gen 8
Utterly depressing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:18:39 No.37902836 Report

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>>37901432
preasū understandū

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:22:55 No.37902892 Report

Quoted By: >>37902909 >>37902912 >>37902918

>>37901432
I don't see how. With 130 SpA and 110 Spe, great typing and coverage, it can function greatly with Focus Sash, Scarf or Specs. It might drop to UU during the new-toys syndrome period but it will go back up to OU sooner or later. Of course unless they make a Pokemon that outclasses it in everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:23:28 No.37902898 Report

Quoted By: >>37902910 >>37903874

>>37902440
>STAB Moonblast
>free Dragon immunity
>nothing to do with
Are you really retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:24:33 No.37902909 Report

Quoted By: >>37902940

>>37902892
Its already UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:24:35 No.37902910 Report

Quoted By: >>37902937 >>37903626

>>37902898
Are you American, underage or special?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:24:40 No.37902912 Report

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>>37902892
110 Spe is the important benchmark in RU, I can see it happening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:25:15 No.37902918 Report

Quoted By: >>37902939 >>37902940 >>37903228

>>37902892
>It might drop to UU
It already has anon. And it's not that great in UU either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:27:04 No.37902937 Report

Quoted By: >>37902985

>>37902910
>make retarded, incomprehensible "argument"
>huur are u tard
Get a fucking brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:27:27 No.37902939 Report

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>>37902918
UU is stall central and is full of dark types so it makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:27:27 No.37902940 Report

Quoted By: >>37902979 >>37903020

>>37902909
>>37902918
I thought it went back up few months ago?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:32:12 No.37902979 Report

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>>37902940
Maybe for a bit during some meta shift though it didn't last long. Its been UU as far as I can remember

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:32:38 No.37902985 Report

Quoted By: >>37903175

>>37902937
Okay, now it's obvious.
>American

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:36:21 No.37903020 Report

Quoted By: >>37903046

>>37902940
Nope. It hasn't gone past ~1.6% usage since April last year, and you need 3.41% to make it into OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:38:44 No.37903046 Report

Quoted By: >>37903124 >>37903135 >>37903141 >>37903161

>>37903020
If uber is a tier now, how do smogtards justify not moving mons up there based on usage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:41:44 No.37903074 Report

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>>37901432
Gengar is still a.... decent Stallbreaker (RIP Levitate) in OU, mostly because nobody expects it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:46:34 No.37903124 Report

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>>37903046
Ubers is still a banlist first and foremost.
It's a tier only in the sense that there is a bit of an attempt to balance it even if it's not much.
Doing that would just be cucking ditto, smeargle, ferrothorn, and excadrill out of being used in lower tiers anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:47:33 No.37903132 Report

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>>37902466
>252 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gengar in Grassy Terrain: 266-314 (101.5 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:47:55 No.37903135 Report

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>>37903046
Ubers is still OU's banlist, they're just treating it as a tier to keep it actually playable for people who want to use box legends and such without playing a one-mon game.

>how do smogtards justify not moving mons up there based on usage?
Your new ubers would be Smeargle, Ditto, Magearna, Ferrothorn, and Mega Diancie. Does that make any sense? Ubers is such a polarized tier that moving things up by usage would result in random mons that are good specifically in Ubers being moved up unfairly.

Also, since mons can't fall from Ubers by usage, it doesn't make sense to have things rise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:48:24 No.37903141 Report

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>>37903046
Because Uber is a ban list, not a tier. The only people call it a tier is because it's a playable format.
Overused is overused because it encapsulates all Pokemon with over 3.41% usage. This includes Pokemon up to 100% usage, but those Pokemon tend to be strong enough to be banned for reasons unrelated to their usage rate. Usage rates aren't banworthy alone, at least for OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:50:20 No.37903161 Report

Quoted By: >>37903201

>>37903046
Oh yeah, sounds great. Ban Magearna.
>Max Attack lando EQ doesn't OHKO most sets without rocks.
also
>people who have never played Ubers talk some bullshit
DUDE Reshiram /Regular Groudon (the dumbest one imo)/Deoxys-D should be ubers LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:51:10 No.37903175 Report

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>>37902985
So cute when someone doesn't have an argument so it resorts to namecalling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:53:14 No.37903201 Report

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>>37903161
*
>tfw I can't use shitty ass Blaziken in OU because Smogon is a bunch of fascists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 03:55:34 No.37903228 Report

Quoted By: >>37903410

>>37902501
>>37902918
This shows you guys don’t play UU

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 04:05:27 No.37903325 Report

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GOD FUCK, I'VE SPENT MORE TIME MASHING A TO GET THROUGH CUTSCENES THAN PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME

WHAT HAPPENED TO POKEMON?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 04:14:45 No.37903410 Report

Quoted By: >>37903697 >>37903872

>>37903228
It's not bad in UU, but it's not /great/. Hugely matchup-dependent. Certainly not a top tier threat that's just *waiting* to jump back into OU, like the other anon seems to think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 04:33:32 No.37903626 Report

Quoted By: >>37903641

>>37902910
Are you even capable of reading or is this your first day on 4chan in general? Do you even know what greentext is, newfag?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 04:35:19 No.37903641 Report

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>>37903626
>another burger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 04:40:52 No.37903697 Report

Quoted By: >>37903888

>>37903410
Yeah you have NOT been keeping up with UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 04:58:44 No.37903872 Report

Quoted By: >>37903907

>>37903410
Is Sharpedo still threatening in UU? It can even be used in (lower ladder) OU to meme on try-hards (lower tier Megas are fun AF. I used in OU: Aggrpn/Steeöix, Slowbro,Sceptile And mostly Bee fucking Drill with the strongest U-Turn in the game),

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 04:58:57 No.37903874 Report

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>>37902898
Dipshit with no reading comprehension or autist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:00:17 No.37903888 Report

Quoted By: >>37904077

>>37903697
Recently, no. I've heard it's been gaining traction with the Sub set to take advantage of Krookodile/Hydreigon? Gengar can change up its set to deal with whatever its most common checks are, but that's still matchup-dependent; Sub+3 attacks takes advantage of frail Darks just fine, but if people start using Alolan Muk again you're going to have to run something else. Gengar's always going to be that anti-meta threat that wanes and waxes depending on how prepared people are for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:01:54 No.37903907 Report

Quoted By: >>37903966

>>37903872
Mega Aggron, Slowbro, and Sharpedo are all considered viable so I dunno where you're getting this idea that they can only be good in low ladder.
Mega Aggron is even the go to standard mega on stall now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:06:39 No.37903966 Report

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>>37903907
>Mega Aggron is even the go to standard mega on stall now.
Yeah stelth rock + Heavy Slam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:10:30 No.37903997 Report

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>>37902501
>130 Special Attack is just barely scratching the benchmark for being above average.

>only 51 Pokemon have a higher special attack than Gengar, and about half of them are box legends or megas

anon stop being silly. 130 is still a grea statt and you have to remember Gengar still hits harder than most megas above it due to Life Orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:21:36 No.37904077 Report

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>>37903888
The thing about facing Gengar is that you have to gamble between using sub or just attacking. Which can be very risky when you’re trying to deal with it. Alolan Muk fell off almost completely. Loses to a lot of the top Pokémon in UU right now, has to compete with Bisharp as a pursuit trapper, hell it still doesn’t really do that as well since some of the things it’s supposed to trap can overwhelm its defenses, cripple it, or work around it like Gengar with sub. He hat is honestly in a great spot in UU so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:23:17 No.37904095 Report

Quoted By: >>37904156

>>37902191
>>37902328
>>37902560 It could switch in on gliscor very safely
>>37902635
Levitate should have been replaced with an ability that that gave it a new immunity like a poison or ghost type water/volt absorb ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:23:37 No.37904100 Report

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>>37901501
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:28:12 No.37904146 Report

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>>37901991
7/10 above average trolling

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:29:22 No.37904156 Report

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>>37904095
Gliscor commonly ran Knock Off and walls Gengar lacking Icy Wind. You are absolutely wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:39:52 No.37904240 Report

Quoted By: >>37904271 >>37904285

Cursed Body
>Deters choiced Pokemon from attacking
>Spams Substitute (which you should be running anyway), to hax through things that should beat you
>Grassy Terrain recovery in OU
>Electric Terrain boosts Z-Electric to btfo Toxapex and Celesteela which would otherwise wall you
>Psychic Terrain protects you from Sucker Punch and other priorities

Levitate
>You're slightly safer vs. Scarf Landorus
>You can wall Facade Gliscor (rare set)
>You can pivot on Gastrodon, or 1v1 if you have Taunt

Cursed Body is a shit ability but it's better than nearly useless Levitate. /vp/ has this fixation with weaknesses rather than functionality (see the classic Ho-Oh should be OU because it's weak to rocks meme) so they think Levitate is good on Gengar. It's literally more situational than Cursed Body.

But at the end of the day who cares, only Gengarfags are upset about this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:43:53 No.37904271 Report

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>>37904240
Are you really saying that Cursed Body is better than Levitate on Gengar? This ability is only good on bulky mons, Gengar is frail, so what it blocks Choiced mons? It will still probably go down in 1 hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:44:08 No.37904272 Report

Quoted By: >>37904282

>>37902278
Yeah. No sleep and some mild recovery on a frail Pokemon at the cost of no longer being able to switch into a type altogether.
What a fucking great buff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:45:28 No.37904282 Report

Quoted By: >>37904338 >>37904365

>>37904272
Name one Ground Pokemon in OU that Gengar counters. Hell, name one in any tier even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:45:36 No.37904285 Report

Quoted By: >>37904321 >>37904364

>>37904240
>Underplaying the importance of being able ro freely switch into Earthquakes and causing 50/50 situations on the opponent

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:49:44 No.37904321 Report

Quoted By: >>37904480

>>37904285
>50/50 situations
This is your brain on 1400 ELO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:52:14 No.37904338 Report

Quoted By: >>37904364

>>37904282
just because it has a type immunity doesn't mean it has to be a counter to that type. Its about providing free switch ins, keeping choiced EQ-spammers away, etc. No one used Gengar as a Ground counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:56:17 No.37904364 Report

Quoted By: >>37904386 >>37904480

>>37904285
>>37904338
There are plenty of Flying types that also do this and they don't get OHKOed on a failed prediction. You may have heard of Landorus-T or Zapdos. They're reasonable EQ pivots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:56:19 No.37904365 Report

Quoted By: >>37904411 >>37904439

>>37904282
>Ground types are the only Pokemon able to learn Earthquake
>A Pokemon is only useful for countering things and checking Pokemon are 100% useless in real games
>Cursebody allows Gengar to counter more Pokemon
And because I know you’re going to be a persistant dumbass
Outside of weather
252 Atk Excadrill Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 204-240 (77.8 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Swampert-Mega Waterfall vs. 4 HP / 60 Def Gengar: 220-261 (83.9 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Gengar has Giga Drain)
And pretty much every varient of Gliscor not carrying knock off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 05:59:22 No.37904386 Report

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>>37904364

Give up bro these clowns think everything is a 1v1 prediction. No clue about game plans and wincons or anything. Hopeless lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:04:19 No.37904411 Report

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>>37904365
This has to be a joke. So much is wrong here.

1. You get killed by Mold Breaker Drill
2. You get killed by Adamant Drill
3. You get killed by LO Drill
4. Gengar vs. Sand is really bad because Ttar rapes it
5. You had to give Gengar defense EVs to get a favourable Swampert calc
6. Giga Drain Gengar is laughable
7. Gliscor walls Gengar. All you accomplished was giving it a free SD kek.

Do you even play Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:05:43 No.37904421 Report

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Sub wow hex with ghost z paired with paraspam sounds like a cool archetype actually

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:08:35 No.37904439 Report

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>>37904365
/vp/ redefines the word "counter": Episode 3781

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:13:35 No.37904480 Report

Quoted By: >>37904570 >>37904637

>>37904321
>Have Steel type in KO range of an Earthquake, but with any other move
>With Gengar having levitate, the opponent has to guess if you are going to switch or not
>Without Gengar having levitate, the opponent can just use Earthquake without fear of giving you a free turn
>You [The person with the gengar that can’t levitate] are essentially fucked and have to let one of your Pokemon faint
>>37904364
And how many of those Flying types are immune to 2 other types, has 2 x4 resistances, a poison immunity, a 110 Speed Tier, and perfect overage of Ghost/Fighting coming off of a 130 SpA?
You don’t seem to understand how great it is to be able to come in on Earthquake from an offensive threat (especially choice scarf/band) for 100% and immediately apply that same offensive pressure.
The immunities/Typing is what generally made Gengar better than Alakazam in nearly every Gen besides 1 and 7, despite its weaker stats and having both its STABs being physical.
Without Levitate, Gengar would have been power creeped by Gen 5 at most (namely because of explosion nerf and Normal Type moves not being as good)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:17:24 No.37904504 Report

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>>37902728
the introduction of other things isn't a nerf

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Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:19:38 No.37904520 Report

Quoted By: >>37904617 >>37904638

>>37902376
Counterpoint:

Smogon lacks creativity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:27:37 No.37904570 Report

Quoted By: >>37904617

>>37904480
Zam is also better in 5 and 6. Gengar was better before that for spinblocking (which I will concede) and for having better coverage. That's nearly irrelevant with defog and the new walls in Gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:32:51 No.37904617 Report

Quoted By: >>37904621

>>37904570
>>37904520
>Lando-T, Torn-T, Mawile/Medicham, Alakazam, Lopunny, Diancie
Those are bullshit weak mons. If you use [static] Zapdos you're the GOAT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:33:50 No.37904621 Report

Quoted By:

>>37904617
If you use static helmet discharge Zapdos you're a mexican. No excuses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:35:46 No.37904637 Report

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>>37904480
>1st part of your post
Just use a flying type dumbass
>2nd part
Literally just lies and bullshit. Who told you this crap?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:35:59 No.37904638 Report

Quoted By: >>37904669

>>37904520
Using Gengar in terrains isn’t creative. The buffs that Gengar can potentially gain with terrains are vastly outweighed by the loss of the immunity to ground.

Like you get a slightly boosted Thunderbolt or Giga Drain for some turns, Sucker Punch failing for a few turns without using status moves, or is immune to Spore/Thunder Wave.

That is not remotely close to how good being able to switch into one of the most common moves for free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Mar 2019 06:40:16 No.37904669 Report

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>>37904638
>completely ignores what Cursed Body does
>thinks he's going to win every prediction
>mentions Giga Drain

Just stop.

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