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Eviolite-Item for offenses

Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 06:00:36 No.38121537 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>38121547 >>38121549 >>38121747 >>38126586 >>38126722 >>38127829 >>38127834 >>38127842

Say it raises Atk. and Sp.Atk by 1.5 who benefits greatly from this?

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 06:02:48 No.38121547 Report

Quoted By: >>38121747 >>38122719

>>38121537
Scyther

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 06:03:54 No.38121549 Report

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>>38121537
Sneasel, Murkrow, Misdreavus. The Kanto trio.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 06:10:17 No.38121588 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 06:43:22 No.38121747 Report

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>>38121537
Basically just shit like >>38121547 that's already fast and decently powerful.

Kadabra, Scyther, Electabuzz, and Magmar are probably the ones who might appreciate it most.

Shit like Golbat, Diglett, Ponyta, Haunter, Seadra, Aipom, Yanma, Murkrow, Grovyle, Vigoroth, Frogadier, and Torracat would find it a very good choice too, I'd imagine.

In the case of things like Golbat not necessarily better than another item, but still usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 07:04:34 No.38121836 Report

Quoted By: >>38121879

Because of the way stats are calculated, this would make damn near everything a viable mixed attacker. It obviously wouldn't be optimal in most cases, but imagine a hypothetical 60/110 Atk/SpA mon running Mild or Rash instead of Modest and pulling out a Brick Break against Chansey.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 07:16:53 No.38121879 Report

Quoted By: >>38123055 >>38124171

>>38121836
Adding onto this with a more concrete example: Quiet Porygon2 with 252 EVs each in Atk and SpA has 259/339.
Multiply that by 1.5 and you have 388/508.
Porygon2 goes on Trick Room teams so it's sacrificing bulk here, not speed - and what it gets in return is a neutral-nature Atk that's significantly higher than its maximum possible unmodified SpA.
Sure, it would still be best as a bulky special attacker - but unless you know all four of its moves, you can't be sure it isn't going to smash your Chansey with STAB Return.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 10:30:06 No.38122719 Report

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>>38121547
This.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 11:21:26 No.38123044 Report

Quoted By: >>38123062

Trick Room Duosion with 188 Special Attack, Haunter gets better Special than Mega Gengar (and has Levitate), Cranidos would be looking at 188 Attack, and then theres Scyther who already being a pretty fast 'mon with a good stat anyway.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 11:22:55 No.38123055 Report

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>>38121879
Banded (atk eviolite) with Download boost
>+1 252 Atk Choice Band Porygon2 Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 358-423 (50.9 - 60.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Honestly, that's a lot more than I expected.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 11:24:12 No.38123062 Report

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>>38123044
Actually kinda scary on paper, but they're all fragile as fuck and would crumble to any decent revenge killer or priority move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 11:50:47 No.38123180 Report

Quoted By: >>38129888

I was thinking Sneasel, but if it runs Jolly(it would need to, most likely, assuming OU) it more or less just ties Life Orb Weavile for damage while being even frailer. Adamant Sneasel doesn't really do much more damage either.
So... Weavile would still outclass it. Maybe Sneasel would be allowed to run wild in UU though.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 11:54:58 No.38123193 Report

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Torracat?

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 13:55:04 No.38123897 Report

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>Magmar, Electabuzz
basado y rojopillado

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 14:26:08 No.38124077 Report

Quoted By: >>38124171 >>38125790

I was talking to some folks the other day about this, and some seemed to be of the opinion that it would have to be a +Atk, +Spd effect since most unevolved mons are too slow and too frail to really benefit from the increased offenses. That is probably true for most, but what mons break this? Some have already mentioned Scyther, which would be very powerful with both speed and attack increases.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 14:38:57 No.38124171 Report

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>>38121879
Porygon2 looks like a great candidate indeed.
Scyther too.
But otherwise >>38124077 is right.
Extra firepower is nice but speed is always preferable for offensive mons.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 17:35:55 No.38125790 Report

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>>38124077
Assuming you mean all of Attack, Special Attack, and Speed get boosted, Kadabra becomes faster and stronger than Mega Alakazam while keeping Magic Guard.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 17:43:44 No.38125865 Report

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I say go all out and make one for all stat combos.

There are glass cannons that would love one for one of the attacks and speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 19:01:29 No.38126586 Report

Quoted By: >>38129888

>>38121537
Sneasal would be the best clear winner. It already runs choice band, this is a clear upgrade minus like Trick bonuses. Still, Sneas is the biggest winner cause even Sychther likes regulat Evo or even Scarf sets as well.>>38121537

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 19:12:53 No.38126689 Report

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Magneton would do pretty well. A little frailer than magnezone, but a little faster and way more powerful. The extra 10 base speed could help against speed creep with scizor.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 19:18:19 No.38126722 Report

Quoted By: >>38126940 >>38127785 >>38127886

>>38121537
Life Orb basically makes Offensive Eviolite useless since the boost difference is pretty small compared to the difference in movepools and offensive stats.
Like why would you use Kadabra with offensive eviolite over LO or Mega Alakazam?

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 19:39:53 No.38126940 Report

Quoted By: >>38128446

>>38126722
>bigger boost that doesn't cost HP

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 20:52:31 No.38127785 Report

Quoted By: >>38127886

>>38126722
eviolite in general was designed to make every NFE a little stronger, for people whose favorite designs are NFE. it turning things like chansey or porygon2 into unkillable monsters was more than likely unintentional.
A kadabra with this item obviously wouldnt outdamage LO zam (which in of itself is one of the few things that actually uses LO without consequence) but if you prefer kadabra for whatever reason, this would make it a touch more viable and be more useful than a defense-boosting item or regular LO

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 20:56:41 No.38127829 Report

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>>38121537
Call it Eviomite.
Also, Vigoroth

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 20:57:00 No.38127834 Report

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>>38121537
PLEASE MAKE ME VIABLE PLEASE PLEASE

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 20:57:42 No.38127842 Report

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>>38121537
>Offensive eviolite
Please give it to me

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 21:02:37 No.38127886 Report

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>>38127785
>>38126722
>252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psychic vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 125-148 (17.7 - 21%) -- possible 5HKO
>252 SpA Choice Specs Kadabra Psychic vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 133-157 (18.9 - 22.3%) -- possible 5HKO
Admittedly Alakazam learns Focus Blast and Kadabra doesn't, but the fact is that Kadabra with 1.5x SpA does more raw damage than Alakazam with Life Orb.
Hell, look at the stats: Alakazam has 405 SpA while Kadabra has 372. 405 * 1.3 = 526, while 372 * 1.5 = 558.
Multiplying damage isn't quite the same as multiplying the raw stat, but I don't think it's much of a difference.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 21:02:48 No.38127887 Report

Quoted By: >>38127915 >>38128327 >>38128459

What about an Evolite for Speed?
Besides Wimpod, what pokemon could benefit from that?

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 21:05:25 No.38127915 Report

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>>38127887
Kadabra again.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 21:38:58 No.38128327 Report

Quoted By: >>38128355

>>38127887
Sneasel gets 173 speed
Electabuzz will be pretty good with 157 speed

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 21:41:21 No.38128355 Report

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>>38128327
EVs and IVs get multiplied as well so they're actually even higher than that.
It's like how Huge Power Azumarill has the equivalent of around 150 base Attack.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 21:49:26 No.38128446 Report

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>>38126940
>You are also forced to use Pokemon that typically have stronger, faster, and bulkier stats, have better movepools, and often have a duel typing
Unless you are playing NU or RU, there is very little reason to use offensive eviolite when you can use a Full Evolved Pokemon with Life Orb.
Even regular Scizor is still better since it has a much better typing and better defenses.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 21:50:54 No.38128459 Report

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>>38127887
magneton would be trapping everything up to nonscarf kartana and could even start running hp ice if ferrothorn/scizor dont bother your team

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Anonymous Thu 28 Mar 2019 21:52:19 No.38128479 Report

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>Blocks your path

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Anonymous Fri 29 Mar 2019 00:00:50 No.38129888 Report

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>>38126586
Not necessarily >>38123180
Life Orb Weavile is still better than Sneasel.

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