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>playing randbats
>send out liepard
>start fucking up opponent's whole team
>he sends out kommo-o
>he uses dragon dance
>use encore on it
>"haha now he's stuck in dragon dance let me just set up a substitute real quick"
>set up substitute
>he uses z-move anyway since apparently they ignore encore
>ignores substitute and oneshots liepard
>boosts all stats
Z-moves were a mistake. This is such a shit game now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:19:23 No.38175878 Report

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>>38175870
Ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:19:58 No.38175884 Report

Quoted By:

>>38175870
Git
gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:32:37 No.38176027 Report

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>>38175870
It ignores Substitute because it's a sound move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:34:09 No.38176045 Report

Quoted By: >>38176069

>>38175733
Just like they removed Mega Evolution?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:35:22 No.38176056 Report

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>>38175840
Guzzlord started out PU. It rose to NU via usage. It's just back where it started.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:36:16 No.38176069 Report

Quoted By: >>38176155

>>38176045
They did remove some of them temporarely in early SM tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:42:25 No.38176135 Report

Quoted By:

>>38175870
You deserved it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:43:51 No.38176147 Report

Quoted By: >>38177826

>>38175870
You got Ralph Simpson'd to the extreme my dude, get destroyed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:44:43 No.38176155 Report

Quoted By: >>38176172

>>38176069
They didn't remove them, you just didn't have access to them. Would you say they "removed" Fly from Gen II because you don't get it until Cianwood City?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:46:24 No.38176172 Report

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>>38176155
good point

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 22:48:00 No.38176196 Report

Quoted By: >>38177009

>>38175707
>blocks ur path

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 23:55:13 No.38177009 Report

Quoted By: >>38177396

>>38176196
>Kommo-o used Fire Punch/Flamethrower/Poison Jab

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Apr 2019 23:59:03 No.38177066 Report

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>>38175733
haha

get real, they're gonna keep piling shit on until the series is clinically dead. hope you're looking forward to your armored bangle with a z-crystal slot and mega stone core

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 00:27:23 No.38177396 Report

Quoted By: >>38177440 >>38177453 >>38177478

>>38177009
>Cutiefly's focus sash let it hold on!
>cutiefly used Twinke tackle
>Kommo-o fainted

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 00:30:50 No.38177440 Report

Quoted By: >>38177497

>>38177396
>sash twinkle tackle

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 00:32:07 No.38177453 Report

Quoted By: >>38177546

>>38177396
based and cutiepilled<div class="like-perk-cnt">🌈</div>

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 00:33:58 No.38177478 Report

Quoted By: >>38177514

>>38177396
>kommo-o's focus sash let it hold on!
>kommo-o used karate chop

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 00:35:13 No.38177497 Report

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>>38177440
yeah, Sash cutiefly is the new meta

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 00:36:15 No.38177514 Report

Quoted By: >>38178390

>>38177478
>it missed
>cutiefly used swift

Incine-Chad !bY4t.xVWKQ

Incine-Chad !bY4t.xVWKQ Tue 02 Apr 2019 00:38:26 No.38177546 Report

Quoted By: >>38177559 >>38178497

>>38177453
>disliking any form of extreme metal

kys faggot

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 00:39:40 No.38177559 Report

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>>38177546
>defends melodeath
>doesn't recognize a /meal/ meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 01:07:23 No.38177804 Report

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>>38175733
you fucking wish bud<div class="like-perk-cnt"><img alt="" width="77" height="13" src="//s.4cdn.org/image/nofile.png"></div>;

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 01:09:26 No.38177826 Report

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>>38176147
That's not a Ralphing at all, he just didn't know Z-moves ignore Encore

In fact I bet you didn't either<div class="like-perk-cnt">✔️</div>

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 01:47:48 No.38178188 Report

Quoted By: >>38178210

>>38175707
Who the fuck cares about Smogon? It's unofficial.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 01:50:06 No.38178210 Report

Quoted By: >>38178320

>>38178188
oh nonono

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 01:54:32 No.38178267 Report

Quoted By: >>38178299

This this a joke?<div class="like-perk-cnt"><img alt="" width="32" height="32" src="//s.4cdn.org/image/pckl.png"></div>;

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 01:57:21 No.38178299 Report

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>>38178267
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 01:59:41 No.38178320 Report

Quoted By: >>38178412 >>38178482 >>38178962

>>38178210
Joke on you. I don't even battle on Smogon simulator. It's unofficial. And Kommo-o is only good because of Stealth Rocks, which is only effective in 6-on-6 format due to constant switching.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:04:34 No.38178375 Report

Quoted By: >>38181752

>>38175870
Z-moves are fine in concept but I really don't get all these retarded unnecessary bonuses they gave them.

>ignores encore and taunt
>partially bypasses protect
>can't be knocked, tricked, etc

Even if Z-moves had none of these they'd still be completely viable, they're an even stronger version of gen 5's gems that can also boost status moves.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:06:01 No.38178390 Report

Quoted By: >>38178773

>>38177514
>kommo-o's focus band let it hold on!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:08:19 No.38178412 Report

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>>38178320
enjoy your dead 3ds wifi full of chinks and hackers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:11:24 No.38178445 Report

Quoted By: >>38178487

>>38175870
So because you're a retard who didn't know sound moves ignore sub, the game is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:15:09 No.38178482 Report

Quoted By: >>38178576

>>38178320
>Kommo-o is only good because of Stealth Rock

No, it's good because of USUM giving it a signature Z-Move and Close Combat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:15:41 No.38178487 Report

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>>38178445
Do it, faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:16:37 No.38178497 Report

Quoted By: >>38178509 >>38178557 >>38179653

>>38177546
>liking any form of metal
yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:17:22 No.38178509 Report

Quoted By:

>>38178497
>being a nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:20:11 No.38178557 Report

Quoted By:

>>38178497
Nigger detected

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:21:59 No.38178576 Report

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>>38178482
Stealth Rock is the main draw on both offensive and defensive sets.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:39:35 No.38178773 Report

Quoted By: >>38178864 >>38179036

>>38178390
>sash 1 turn
>band next

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:48:39 No.38178864 Report

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>>38178773
>he doesn't know that pokemon SwSh will allow six (6) held items per pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 02:59:25 No.38178962 Report

Quoted By: >>38178997

>>38178320
If kommo-o is only good because or stealth rock, why isn't every pokemon that learns stealth rock good? Seems like there must be other factors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 03:03:28 No.38178997 Report

Quoted By: >>38179014 >>38180053 >>38181417

>>38178962
Kommo-o is a valuable addition to a number of stall teams, as its ability, unique typing, and relatively good bulk allow it to check a number of troublesome Pokemon like Heatran, Ash-Greninja, Blacephalon, Mega Tyranitar, and Mega Gyarados.
Kommo-o's decent bulk and useful typing allow it to set up Stealth Rock against common Pokemon like Ash-Greninja and Heatran. Kommo-o can also pressure Defog users like Tornadus-T and Zapdos once it has set up with Clangorous Soulblaze. Clanging Scales is a powerful STAB move that is required to use Clangorous Soulblaze. It also bypasses Substitute, so Pokemon such as Serperior and Kyurem can't attempt to take advantage of Kommo-o.<div class="like-perk-cnt">👌</div>

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 03:05:00 No.38179014 Report

Quoted By: >>38180053

>>38178997
Well there you go, seems like its unique typing, bulk, signature z move, and stealth rock pushed it into OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 03:07:33 No.38179036 Report

Quoted By:

>>38178773
>not having your doubles partner trick its band onto you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:12:18 No.38179653 Report

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>>38178497
I dont like metal yet my favorite band is Dragonforce. Is that normal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:14:57 No.38179679 Report

Quoted By: >>38179714 >>38179718 >>38179793

Brief summary on how each Pseudo is doing competitively please?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:19:44 No.38179714 Report

Quoted By: >>38179742 >>38179825

>>38179679
Dragonite is just worse Gyarados.
Tyranitar is good as always.
Salamance is also just worse Gyarados.
Metagross is bad.
Garchomp is good as always.
Hydreigon is a decent enough niche wallbreaker but is nothing special.
Goodra is bad.
Kommo-o is an ok wincon with added utility of Stealth Rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:20:00 No.38179718 Report

Quoted By: >>38179742

>>38179679
Dragonite, Salamance, UUBL
Kommo-o, Tyranitar, Garchomp, OU
Metagross, Goodra, RU
Hydreigon, UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:22:01 No.38179742 Report

Quoted By: >>38179761 >>38179769

>>38179714
>>38179718
Is this factoring out Megas? I thought M-Salamence and Metagross were high OU threats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:24:08 No.38179761 Report

Quoted By: >>38180081

>>38179742
Mega Salamence and metagross are uber, mega garchomp and tyranitar are niche ou picks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:24:51 No.38179769 Report

Quoted By: >>38180081

>>38179742
Mega Tyranitar is a good dragon dance sweeper but is often not worth the dedicated mega slot so it's not used often.
Mega Salamance is banned.
Mega Metagross is banned.
Mega Garchomp is worse than the regular form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:27:17 No.38179793 Report

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>>38179679
Megamence is great in ubers and the currently the best pseudo
Megameta is shit in ubers but too good for OU.

MegaTTar is fantastic in OU.
TTar is still solid in OU.
Garchomp is still solid in OU.
Hydreigon is good in OU but is UU by usage.
Kommo-o is decent in OU.
Mega garchomp is decent in OU.

Dragonite is not viable in OU but is too good for UU.
Salamence is not viable for OU but is too good for UU.
Metagross is barely viable in UU and is RU by usage.

Goodra is good in RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:30:28 No.38179825 Report

Quoted By: >>38179878

>>38179714
>Dragonite is just worse Gyarados.
>Salamance is also just worse Gyarados.
Wrong on both. They are worst Megazard X

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:35:55 No.38179878 Report

Quoted By: >>38179894

>>38179825
They're more similar to Gyarados because of the Z fly gimmick.
And they'll typically use DD 3 attacks like Gyarados while Zard X will usually opt for DD+Roost 2 attacks.
Overall though, yeah they all fill a similar niche.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:37:33 No.38179894 Report

Quoted By:

>>38179878
Oh yeah you are right

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 04:58:52 No.38180053 Report

Quoted By:

>>38178997
>>38179014
It’s actually getting more popular on hyper offense teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 05:02:43 No.38180081 Report

Quoted By: >>38180187

>>38179761
>>38179769
Why are there people perpetuating this falsehood that Mega Ttar is not good in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 05:17:36 No.38180187 Report

Quoted By: >>38180204

>>38180081
I literally said mega ttar is good though.
People just don't use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 05:19:06 No.38180204 Report

Quoted By:

>>38180187
But you’re not talking about its best set

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 09:43:43 No.38181417 Report

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>>38178997
This + it sort of fills the hole that Zygarde left behind on hyper offense teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 09:50:52 No.38181436 Report

Quoted By: >>38181458

what makes him so good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 09:54:57 No.38181458 Report

Quoted By:

>>38181436
Read the thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 10:21:35 No.38181544 Report

Quoted By: >>38181758

>>38175707
Honestly, I'm really happy for it. It was a mon I felt like should've been OU in the first place.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 10:57:36 No.38181681 Report

Quoted By: >>38181765 >>38181790 >>38181895 >>38181991

2/3, now we just need to help Druddigon out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 11:07:53 No.38181752 Report

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>>38178375
To be fair, it's so they can be used in strategic situations and so they're stronger than just "Now this attack will hit really hard"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 11:09:28 No.38181758 Report

Quoted By: >>38182714

>>38181544
>It was a mon I felt like should've been OU in the first place.
Definitely not. It was RU before the USUM buffs for a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 11:10:31 No.38181765 Report

Quoted By: >>38181908

>>38181681
Mega Druddigon
Dragon/Rock
Sheer Force
77/120/90/60/90/48
+20 Atk, +10 Def, +10 SpDef, +60 Spd
Now is it good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 11:15:02 No.38181790 Report

Quoted By:

>>38181681
Will Druddigon make it to OU in Gen 8?

Your fortune: ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 11:43:12 No.38181895 Report

Quoted By:

>>38181681
Gorilla arm dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 11:46:29 No.38181908 Report

Quoted By: >>38183752

>>38181765
>+60 Spd
yeah right nigger in your dreams

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 11:59:18 No.38181967 Report

Quoted By: >>38182624

>>38175783
>>38175707
Wait why is that a good thing? That means you can't use it in UU now.
>>38175733
Stuff like that is shit gamefreak can't remove and we'll be stuck with forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 12:04:10 No.38181991 Report

Quoted By:

>>38181681
Druggigon @ Choice band
Sheer Force
-Fire Punch
-Gunk Shot
-Outrage
-Sucker Punch/Superpower

Adamant Nature, 184 Speed EV's as it lets you outspeed all common Mawile sets. If your team can keep up spikes easily, run attack ev's so you reliably OHKO Shift Gear Magearna. Otherwise, max them out. Fire Punch and Gunk Shot help you bop the Faries and Steels. Outrage is your main nuke shit option, Sucker Punch is priority but you don't want to be locked into it and Superpower is for Heatran if you want to cover that one. Bear in mind that the only 2 common faries that can check you without being ded or crippled beyond repair are Shift Gear Magearna and Ribombee. First one should be scouted for while the second one usually dies early since it's a lead.

It's main counter is chipping damage, try to keep it at bay as much as possible. Hazard removal is pretty much mandatory

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 13:25:58 No.38182462 Report

Quoted By: >>38182551 >>38182609

>>38175707
>Kommo-o is finally OU
Does this mean he has a chance bros?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 13:30:44 No.38182496 Report

Quoted By: >>38183057

>>38175733
Kommo-o has great moves even without his zmove
>Drain punch
>Close combat
>Sky uppercut
>Draco-meteor
>Dragon tail
>Outrage
>Dragon claw
>Iron head, tail
>Flash cannon
>Bulk up
>Earthquake
Etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 13:39:06 No.38182551 Report

Quoted By:

>>38182462
>wanting to be restricted to OU's garbage meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 13:47:58 No.38182609 Report

Quoted By: >>38182766

>>38182462
Kommo-o only got into OU because it was on a sample team and because it fits pretty much everywhere. Hydregion has the potential to be OU, but it's held back by having only one role and a specific niche as a dark type stallbreaker which can also do walling stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 13:49:52 No.38182624 Report

Quoted By:

>>38181967
>stuck with
>implying that's a bad thing

Z moves are great because then Pokemon at least have multiple sets

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:04:47 No.38182714 Report

Quoted By: >>38182746 >>38182756

>>38181758
Even after the USUM buff it too people quite a long to time to realise how good it had became.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:09:05 No.38182746 Report

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>>38182714
This is very true, it rose from RU to UU immediately in USM but they banned the z move and it languished in like the C ranks for ages. Then people started realizing it was great in UU and it ended up in the A ranks before OU realized it was decent and stole it.
If it does manage to stay OU I can see it settling around B-. Very flawed but there are some games when it'll just nab three kills like it's nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:10:54 No.38182756 Report

Quoted By:

>>38182714
Well yeah.
Only an absolute madman would think to put Stealth Rock on a boosting sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:12:14 No.38182766 Report

Quoted By: >>38182788 >>38182862

>>38182609
>walling stuff.
what does this thing wall?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:14:32 No.38182788 Report

Quoted By:

>>38182766
Ash Greninja

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:15:05 No.38182795 Report

Quoted By:

>>38175707
No one cares about Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:24:49 No.38182862 Report

Quoted By: >>38182885 >>38182977

>>38182766
>ash gren
>bulu
>heatran
>ttar
>blacephalon
Not a ton of stuff, but the stuff it does check is disastrous for stall teams, notably heatran. It's pretty much avalugg tier niche on stall though, and that's the only place you'll see the defensive set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:28:06 No.38182885 Report

Quoted By: >>38182906 >>38182914 >>38182977

>>38182862
Kommo-o walls all the same pokemon, better even because it's immune to shadowball (blacephalon) and isn't weak to superpower (bulu)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:29:33 No.38182898 Report

Quoted By:

>>38175783
Pangoro will move right back up to RU with that Slowbro move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:30:43 No.38182906 Report

Quoted By:

>>38182885
But it doesn't have recovery like Hydreigon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:31:33 No.38182914 Report

Quoted By:

>>38182885
I was actually talking about kommo-o, I just misread the post the guy I responded to was responding to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:40:44 No.38182977 Report

Quoted By:

>>38182862
>>38182885
Hydreigon has recovery and can provide defog support for stall. Plus its ground immunity helps it against (toxic) spikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 14:55:38 No.38183057 Report

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>>38182496
Sky Uppercut is dogshit
It was it’s strongest physical Fighting STAB in SM and it sucked

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 15:10:41 No.38183130 Report

Quoted By:

>>38175707
>smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 15:13:35 No.38183155 Report

Quoted By:

>>38175733
They're never going to truly remove them, especially when there's certain z-moves only a few pokemon can use. At most, they'll just throw them on the backburner like they did with megas.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 15:16:49 No.38183177 Report

Quoted By:

Kommo-o is for more than just competitive battling, anons.

Don't leave her hanging!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Apr 2019 16:46:50 No.38183752 Report

Quoted By:

>>38181908
its dex entry does talk about it rushing through caves, so it's not like they couldn't use it as an excuse

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