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>>38232562
What else would water be weak to though? I guess ground has groundwater contained in it so I suppose that could be SE against water, but that's a bit of a stretch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:45:01 No.38232586 Report

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>>38232572
>>38232581
Or ice could freeze water. But ice is SE against way too much anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:45:16 No.38232588 Report

Quoted By: >>38232608 >>38233742

>>38232531
What's wrong with it? If you're trying to say that Water is OP, you unironically need to jump off the highest building or bridge in your area, face first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:45:28 No.38232592 Report

Quoted By: >>38232644 >>38234802

>>38232572
Freeze dry cements that fact that ice will never be SE against water types

>>38232581
You could argue poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:45:36 No.38232593 Report

Quoted By: >>38233149 >>38234745

>>38232581
>buffing the ground type more
Fuck off. That stupid type needs to hit less things for SE damage. No good reason why it hits shit like Poison type damage for SE. Fuck the ground type and fuck the rock type, condense them into one single type that is weak to everything and everything else resists it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:47:30 No.38232608 Report

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>>38232581
At least one of the following:

1. Poison. Poison pollutes water.
2. Bug. Bugs drink water.

>>38232588
Water type is overpowered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:51:09 No.38232632 Report

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>>38232581
Ice or Poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:52:12 No.38232636 Report

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>>38232608
>2. Bug. Bugs drink water.
they are drawing in a droplet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:52:49 No.38232644 Report

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>>38232592
If ice was to become se against water then freeze dry could simply be buffed to a 100% chance to freeze water types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:54:14 No.38232652 Report

Quoted By: >>38232664

>>38232608
Bugs tend to drown in droplets of water because the water tension is so strong they can't break the surface.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:54:38 No.38232657 Report

Quoted By: >>38232684

Let poison be super effective against it for pollution of water. I also think ice and water should resist each other like bug and fighting do. Have it so water hitting a source of constant cold does basically nothing, and a surge of ice hitting warmer water does nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:54:40 No.38232658 Report

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>>38232608
Dragons drink water too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:54:41 No.38232659 Report

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>>38232636
We can scale it up, bug pokemon are generally much larger than real bugs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:55:01 No.38232664 Report

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>>38232636
>>38232652
be quiet, game freak might hear us and decide to give bug another weakness

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:56:19 No.38232672 Report

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>>38232581
Poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:56:40 No.38232676 Report

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>>38232608
Normal types drink water, should they be SE against water too?
add in basically every creature that has the function and need for water too while you're at it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 15:58:10 No.38232684 Report

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>>38232657
This would be a huge improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:00:50 No.38232704 Report

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>>38232608
>no Ice
Losing Freeze Dry is a small price to pay

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:05:50 No.38232753 Report

Quoted By: >>38232760

>>38232704
It'd be fine but I'd much rather give Ice defensive buffs (extra resistances) than increase its already very strong offensive presence, especially since Ice type coverage is abused by non-ice types all the time (Water, Electric and Fighting types mainly)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:06:52 No.38232760 Report

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>>38232753
You're right, should resist Water instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:07:47 No.38232764 Report

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>>38232581
Just came here to say
>Poison

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:46:10 No.38233124 Report

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>>38232531

Here you go guys I balanced the type chart for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:47:46 No.38233140 Report

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>>38232581
Water disperses ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:48:34 No.38233149 Report

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>>38232593
>"don't buff ground"
>suggests a poison defensive buff

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:49:29 No.38233164 Report

Quoted By: >>38233220

>>38232644
>100% freeze

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:51:33 No.38233186 Report

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>>38232581
Poison and ice. Ice should also resist water.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:52:28 No.38233195 Report

Quoted By: >>38233220

>>38232644
>freeze dry could simply be buffed to a 100% chance to freeze water types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:53:20 No.38233203 Report

Quoted By: >>38233227 >>38233242 >>38233393

>>38233124
>bug SE against space
enlighten me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:53:43 No.38233206 Report

Quoted By: >>38234002

>>38233186
Unironically this. There's no reason Ice doesn't resist Water. They should just change Scald to be SE against Ice types, just like Freeze Dry works against water types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:54:55 No.38233220 Report

Quoted By: >>38233234 >>38233254

>>38233164
>>38233195
What’s wrong with that? It would just be a Freeze version of hypnosis. Maybe lower the accuracy to compensate and little damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:55:50 No.38233226 Report

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>>38232531
It’s masuda’s favorite type so let’s made it op as fuck
Also let’s make the type that beats it suck ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:55:51 No.38233227 Report

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>>38233203
...what is not to understand? Makes sense to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:56:24 No.38233231 Report

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>>38233186
Ice honestly doesn’t need more offensive buffs, hitting flying, ground, dragon and grass is already solid. Resisting water would be nice though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:56:54 No.38233234 Report

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>>38233220
How about we just not buff ice types offensively at all?
Icefags have AIDS

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:57:44 No.38233242 Report

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>>38233203
>He has never seen starship troopers

I shiggy diggy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 16:59:04 No.38233254 Report

Quoted By: >>38234056

>>38233220
Except Freeze Dry would deal damage and have 100% accuracy. Also, Freeze have only a 20% chance to be cured each turn, against 1-3 turns max of Sleep. It would be broken as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:02:12 No.38233279 Report

Quoted By: >>38233913

>poison super effective against water
>ice resists water
Give me one (1) reason this shouldn't be true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:14:51 No.38233378 Report

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>>38232608
I also drink water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:16:25 No.38233393 Report

Quoted By: >>38233509

>>38233203

Invading aliens being defeated by earth microbes is the oldest story in the books. Literally, it happened in the proto-sci fi story, War of the Worlds, written in 1897.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:18:21 No.38233407 Report

Quoted By: >>38233427

>>38232531
kingdra and ludicolo
best defensive typings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:18:59 No.38233412 Report

Quoted By: >>38233938

Its too late to remove ice moves from water type Pokemon but why was that ever a thing. Its not like ice types got free access to water moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:19:45 No.38233418 Report

Quoted By: >>38233808

>>38232704
>Ice is SE on water type
>Freeze-dry stays the same but now has a 100% freeze rate on water types
yee/nee?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:19:58 No.38233420 Report

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>>38232608
Birds drink water too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:21:10 No.38233427 Report

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>>38233407
Too bad both Ludicolo is a shitmon and Kingdra typing doesn't help at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:23:24 No.38233447 Report

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ye...

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:24:39 No.38233462 Report

Quoted By: >>38234013

>Poison not super-effective against water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:27:21 No.38233498 Report

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>>38232586
And yet it's still a shitty type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:28:32 No.38233509 Report

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>>38233393
That's really cool, thank you for that information.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 17:56:31 No.38233742 Report

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>>38232588
Water is easily the 3rd best type after Fairy and Steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:00:52 No.38233777 Report

Quoted By: >>38233814

>>38232586
There is Freeze Dry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:04:36 No.38233808 Report

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>>38233418
You just said this. No

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:05:07 No.38233814 Report

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>>38233777
Which is special in a world where the only viable Ice types are all physical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:16:20 No.38233913 Report

Quoted By: >>38233944 >>38235153

>>38233279
Because Pokemon is an RPG and types aren't supposed to be balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:18:03 No.38233938 Report

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>>38233412
Because Waters role was always to be a versatile type.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:18:32 No.38233944 Report

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>>38233913
>types aren't supposed to be balanced on a RPG
Sounds like bullshit, you better explain this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:25:08 No.38234002 Report

Quoted By: >>38234024 >>38234030

>>38233206
>There's no reason Ice doesn't resist Water
Yeah, put water on ice cubes. See what happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:26:10 No.38234013 Report

Quoted By: >>38234071

>>38233462
>poison dissolved on water
It should be the opposite lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:26:41 No.38234019 Report

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>>38232531
>Most common type
>only two weaknesses

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:27:07 No.38234024 Report

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>>38234002
>This meme again
You know ice Pokémon tend to be temperatures below zero right? It’s not as simple as “pour water on ice hurr”

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:27:40 No.38234030 Report

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>>38234002
If the ice is cold enough, the water will freeze. Also, try putting water under 0°C and see that absolute nothing will happen. What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:27:45 No.38234031 Report

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>>38232581
Here to join the lads saying Poison. It's an underpowered type, honestly, and I don't even like Poison types that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:30:05 No.38234056 Report

Quoted By: >>38234832

>>38233254
Yeah, frozen status has no limits for how long it can go. I've had frozen status go up to 12 turns once in a battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:31:13 No.38234071 Report

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>>38234013
But consuming tainted water is problematic for any creature. That's why you're told to boil water in emergencies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:35:57 No.38234116 Report

Quoted By: >>38235032

ok but take into account how many water types have a secondary type that is also weak to grass or electric.

just make water not resist steel, which I can maybe understand the game balance reasoning behind, but in terms of real-world logic it's a head-scratcher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:39:31 No.38234150 Report

Quoted By: >>38234166 >>38234517 >>38234518

>>38232581
Ice

Weak to ice

This shouldn't be hard

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 18:40:59 No.38234166 Report

Quoted By: >>38234686

>>38234150
>Buffing ice offensively

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:17:52 No.38234517 Report

Quoted By: >>38234686

>>38234150

>Babby's first attempt at balance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:18:02 No.38234518 Report

Quoted By: >>38234686

>>38234150
now ice mons are even less useful, congratulations

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:32:20 No.38234636 Report

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>>38232608
>2. Bug. Bugs drink water.
Bugfags are literally the most retarded and most annoying typefags

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:37:59 No.38234686 Report

Quoted By: >>38234835 >>38234914

>>38234166
>>38234517
>>38234518
Retards. Water should be weak to ice since ice has no resistances

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:41:48 No.38234718 Report

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>nearly every water type gets an 80bp move with a 30% chance to burn the target
>all the pokemon of the type that is immune to burn is weak to water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:44:46 No.38234745 Report

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>>38232593
Why do you hate ground types so much anon? Did a Quagsire fuck your mom or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:45:27 No.38234749 Report

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Freeze Dry would just be an automatic Crit on water types if Ice became super effective against Water. Maybe lower the base damage of the move a bit to compensate, but it's a much better solution than a 100% freeze chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:50:06 No.38234802 Report

Quoted By: >>38235003

>>38232592
Literally all they have to do is make Freeze Dry have an extra multiplier on Water on top of the normal double damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:52:22 No.38234832 Report

Quoted By: >>38235042

>>38234056
And I've been fully paralyzed for something like 10 turns in a row.
Thunder Wave is clearly broken.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 19:52:35 No.38234835 Report

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>>38234686
>Ice has no resistance
>makes Water weak to Ice instead of making Ice resistant to Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:01:55 No.38234914 Report

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>>38234686

You are dumb as bricks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:12:10 No.38235003 Report

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>>38234802
That sounds so dumb it’s ridiculous. It would already be SE against water. Do we need a FURTHER damage boost? Is it completely impossible to use your brain?

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:15:03 No.38235032 Report

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>>38234116
"Steel gets rusty when it touches water" is probably the main logic behind it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:15:56 No.38235042 Report

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>>38234832
that's true though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:16:31 No.38235048 Report

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>>38232608
fairies drink water also

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:26:32 No.38235153 Report

Quoted By: >>38235164

>>38233913
>Introduced Fairy SPECIFICALLY to nerf Dark, Dragon, Fighting, and U-Turn
>Implying Masuda is just really bad at balance, rather than not caring about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:27:34 No.38235164 Report

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>>38235153
I meant "isn't just really bad at balance."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:30:36 No.38235192 Report

Quoted By: >>38235297

>>38232608
>And blacks eat chicken
I guess we should make Dark type strong against Flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:41:09 No.38235297 Report

Quoted By: >>38235583

>>38235192
Chickens dont fly.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 20:44:09 No.38235329 Report

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>>38232608
>bugs drink water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 21:10:18 No.38235583 Report

Quoted By: >>38235696

>>38235297
Well don’t tell them that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=idDtTGEbyGA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 21:20:00 No.38235696 Report

Quoted By: >>38235759

>>38235583
That's gliding not flying. They can not gain any height.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 21:29:44 No.38235759 Report

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>>38235696
All that aside, how the hell does this thing actually fly?

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Anonymous Sun 07 Apr 2019 21:38:07 No.38235844 Report

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>>38235759
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