>>38429331>Venusaur out does vileplume and victreebel by a country mileI assume you you are talking competitive play?
You more or less have to be to think half of those Water-type can compete with Squirtle when it has a massive level advantage from being your sole Water-type forever and part of a fast experience group. Lapras is massively underleveled and in the slowest experience group- absolute horseshit in-game. Gyarados is good once you actually have it but is arguably worse because it has a long period of being absolute trash before evolution. Squirtle is the best water-type until you can surf, more or less(Vaporeon can replace it fairly easily, though), at which point you do have better options, but Squirtle has been one of the best mons in existence for more than half the game at that point.
Victreebel flat out beats Venusaur in competitive play. In-game, it's also arguably better because it actually gets the good powders and can abuse wrap(which may be lame as fuck, but still technically better than Bulba).
Vileplume is pure trash though.
