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Knock off, covet, etc. now works on mega stones and z crystals

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:50:33 No.38433217 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>38434475 >>38434482 >>38434642 >>38434655 >>38434875

Does this break the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:53:46 No.38433240 Report

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i feel like this would make the game worse but i'm not really sure how

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:53:52 No.38433241 Report

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Oh, maliciously.
Mega Fug, UBs, Ashninja and everything else that you can think of everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:53:55 No.38433242 Report

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No, but it makes trickscarfing a viable-ish strategy again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:54:47 No.38433248 Report

Quoted By: >>38433259 >>38434475

Scarf Knock Off is now mandatory on every team.
As a result, most teams will now carry 2-3 Pokemon that resist Knock Off and can KO dark types in return.
Stall skyrockets in viability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:55:06 No.38433251 Report

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Sticky Hold new meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:56:03 No.38433259 Report

Quoted By: >>38433265

>>38433248
Mega evolution has higher than priority than any move so you wouldn't actually be able to knock the stone off before it triggered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:57:12 No.38433265 Report

Quoted By: >>38433275 >>38433276

>>38433259
op here. figured that dropping the stone would reverse the mega evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:58:41 No.38433275 Report

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>>38433265
then the entire meta would revolve around Knock Off
so yes, it would break the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 04:58:40 No.38433276 Report

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>>38433265
It's too late by then.
It's considered absorbed. Unless you can hit them with a critical hard enough to make it puke it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 05:18:06 No.38433372 Report

Quoted By: >>38433387 >>38433411 >>38435386

Knock Off should certainly never work on Mega Stones. There are far too many pokemon that are viable only because of their mega, like Mawile. Creating the possibility for them to suddenly turn into complete shitmon again is just ridiculous. Knock is already an insanely strong move, the only reason it isn't outright broken is because removing items like Specs of Leftovers doesn't a make the victim outright useless, just heavily weakened.

Literally every mega that isn't something like Garchomp or Tyranitar where the base form is already strong on its own (or Beedrill where the thing would probably die to a Knock regardless) becomes totally unviable.

Z-crystals are more reasonable though, since outside of Kommo-o no Pokemon is really totally reliant on them for viability. I'm fairy certain the only reason they can't already be Knocked/Tricked/etc is for story reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 05:20:19 No.38433387 Report

Quoted By: >>38433411

>>38433372
>I'm fairy certain the only reason they can't already be Knocked/Tricked/etc is for story reasons.
I think it might be so the player can't cheese the handful of trainers who use Z-moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 05:23:45 No.38433411 Report

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>>38433372
>>38433387
I always thought it was so kids remember who made these games wouldn't throw tantrums when suddenly they can't use the super move they saw in the trailers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 10:34:33 No.38434421 Report

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Knock Off is already overused anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 10:51:52 No.38434475 Report

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>>38433217
What >>38433248 said. Out with the fake outs, in with the knock offs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 10:55:04 No.38434482 Report

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>>38433217
Yes. Knock Off is already an extremely strong move with a wide distribution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 11:53:55 No.38434642 Report

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>>38433217
Knock off shouldn't work on mega stones, orbs, plates, drives or z-crystals, BUT magic room and embargo should definitely affect them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 11:57:14 No.38434655 Report

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>>38433217
You can't make a move so determinant. Of course it breaks the metagame making it disgusting and no comfy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 12:47:34 No.38434848 Report

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Magic Room actually becomes pretty usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 12:53:17 No.38434875 Report

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>>38433217
Might aswell make it a priority 100% accuracy one-hit ko at that point, what do you think, retard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 14:44:06 No.38435386 Report

Quoted By: >>38435418

>>38433372
Mega evolution has priority so even if that were the case, they'd only get knocked off if someone was dumb enough to switch into an obvious knock.

There are also mons that are only useful because of eviolite, yet those can be knocked off and cripple them back into NFE shitmons.

Knock off is pretty balanced imo, it's a one time move because after the first hit, it gets way weaker, and you gotta sacrifice move slot for a situational attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Apr 2019 14:48:35 No.38435418 Report

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>>38435386
Well, yeah, a minor autistic strategy nobody cares about gets crippled by Knock Off, might as well let major game-defining ones be crippled too, after all you have to make the big sacrifice of a move slot for it.
So, hey, how about removing stall and trappers, too? Because, you know, you have to sacrifice an entire party slot for those and it's inconvenient.

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