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Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 01:35:48 No.38746565 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>38746593 >>38747030 >>38747296 >>38749060

What was Aegislash’s best set before it got banned from OU anyways?

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 01:38:17 No.38746579 Report

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Protect substitute false swipe kings shield holding a focus sash

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 01:40:09 No.38746593 Report

Quoted By: >>38746601

>>38746565
Everyone I knew ran King's Shield Swords Dance and Shadow Sneak. The fourth move varied

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 01:41:39 No.38746601 Report

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>>38746593
>Swords Dance

That was a meme set, the standard was King's Shield/Shadow Ball/Shadow Sneak/Sacred Sword

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 02:18:55 No.38747030 Report

Quoted By: >>38747069

>>38746565
Wasnt it some sort of Toxic/King's Shield/Substitute thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 02:23:10 No.38747069 Report

Quoted By: >>38747136

>>38747030
There is a stall set that used that, the final move tends to be Shadow Ball. It's common on the Battle Spot, I've fought a lot and they all tend to quit the moment it dies because they can't actually fight and need to rely on toxic stall to net any wins.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 02:31:13 No.38747136 Report

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>>38747069
What the hell do they do against steel types then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 02:37:51 No.38747193 Report

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SubToxic arguably, but the problem was that it could also be King's Shield + 3 Attacks, or Mixed 4 Attacks, or Swords Dance, or Autotomize, or Metal Sound...

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 02:38:45 No.38747202 Report

Quoted By: >>38747585

It was the crumbler set

Head Smash
Iron Head
Shadow Sneak
Sword's Dance
With life orb.

This was the set that adapted to the mandibuzz anti-aegi meta where he would just lure and nuke something that comes in. They didn't bother running king's shield because he would just swap in, stat check something, then either clean up with shadow sneak or just nuke a check out of existance.

Sometimes they'd swap iron head or sword's dance for sacred sword, flash cannon, or shadow ball just to fuck with tanks and bisharp.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 02:49:09 No.38747296 Report

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>>38746565
King's Shield, Shadow Ball, Shadow Sneak and Sacred Sword

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 03:19:34 No.38747585 Report

Quoted By: >>38747627

>>38747202
>Aegislash's movepool, stats, and ability alone make it an absurd force in the metagame, but couple it with its typing and it is over the top. King's Shield is an incredible move, not only presenting Aegislash the ability to give convert to Shield form and give itself incredible defenses, but also the fact it presents the game with more straight up 50/50 opportunities. While Pokemon is all about prediction and it might seem as simple as a guessing game, a straight up 50/50 does not reward based off of skill, but rather who won the coin flip. Consider this situation: You have Aegislash, in Blade form, out 75% vs your opponent's Swords Dance + Life Orb Weavile. These are the only two Pokemon remaining. You have the option of using King's Shield on the predicted Knock Off, which would otherwise KO your Aegislash and lose you the game, or to attack on the predicted Swords Dance, which would lose you the game should you King's Shield. In this scenario, the winner is not determined by anything skill based, but simply a guessing game. King's Shield even grants it the immunity to being reliably Pursuit trapped by Dark-types, as the only Pokemon that can really trap it is Bisharp, which fails to OHKO max HP Aegislash with Knock Off if Jolly, while Adamant Bisharp can potentially be outsped and OHKOd by max speed Sacred Sword Aegislash.
The reason it was banned was in large part due to King's Shield and having a pseudo 720 BST.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/aegislash-is-now-banned-from-ou.3588190/

Bullshit on them not running King's Shield or being prevalent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 03:24:04 No.38747627 Report

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>>38747585
It’s the same reason swagger was banned, smogon for all its failings does its best to remove as much RNG as possible to preserve the mindgames that actually make competitive Pokémon fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 03:27:29 No.38747662 Report

Quoted By: >>38749041

https://www.smogon.com/smog/issue34/ou-spotlight

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 244 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Shadow Sneak
- King's Shield
- Pursuit / Sacred Sword

Aegislash @ Life Orb
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Shadow Sneak
- Flash Cannon
- Sacred Sword

Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 244 HP / 12 Def / 242 SpA
Modest Nature
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Shadow Ball
- King's Shield

Aegislash @ Life Orb
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head
- Head Smash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 07:01:07 No.38749041 Report

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>>38747662
The SD Head Smash set was amazing, imagine seeing it repurposed with a Rockium Z.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2019 07:03:28 No.38749060 Report

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>>38746565
Shadow Ball / King's Shield / Shadow Sneak / Free move

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