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Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:32:02 No.38799217 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>38799250 >>38799264 >>38799811 >>38799862 >>38800382 >>38800541 >>38800896 >>38801016 >>38801878 >>38802125 >>38802880 >>38803481 >>38806597

How does this change OU? Will Stall survive this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:33:03 No.38799250 Report

Quoted By: >>38799717 >>38799749 >>38800654 >>38807154

>>38799217
Stall has been on life support since gen4, they'll just ban it like they ban every overwhelming wallbreaker that destroys stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:33:37 No.38799264 Report

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>>38799217
Imagine giant Weavile turning around to sit on you, wouldn't that be funny haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:39:39 No.38799484 Report

Quoted By: >>38799685 >>38799896

Every Pokemon can turn into a Z-Crystal Mega Rayquaza for 3 turns. I just want to play the game without only using fast sweepers...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:45:14 No.38799685 Report

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>>38799484
>I just want to play the game without only using fast sweepers...

"B-B-BUT T-THAT'S STALL!!!!! YOU F-FUCKING NOOB, YOU'RE J-JUST SH-SH-SHIT A-AT THE GAME!!!!!!!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:46:30 No.38799717 Report

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>>38799250
just like how they banned arena trap

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:47:12 No.38799749 Report

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>>38799250
>banning the generation's gimmick entirely

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:49:11 No.38799811 Report

Quoted By: >>38799890

>>38799217
this is just going the fuck the metagame with a gigantomaxed violet dildo

the meta is already saturated with megas, z moves, and second rate legendaries. it’s been dead since weatherwars

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:50:42 No.38799862 Report

Quoted By: >>38800429 >>38800498 >>38800722 >>38801788

>>38799217
this won't affect stall much, really
>dynamax your pokemon
>stall mon used protect!
>your pokemon attacks
>stall mon survives
>try to attack again
>stall mon used protect!
>your pokemon goes back to normal size

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:50:56 No.38799869 Report

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>not running protect, having a sash, and then using protect again to ignore all Dynamax fucking shits

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:51:26 No.38799890 Report

Quoted By: >>38804707

>>38799811
>it’s been dead since weatherwars
I never thought I would see the day I would miss weather wars...
Weather wars were fucking cancer, but at least made old Pokemon such as Politoed and Ninetales relevant in some way. Nowadays, we just have Megas, Z-Moves, Ass-Gayniggers and legends shitting up the OU tier (and even lower tiers, minus Ass-Gaynigger)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:51:39 No.38799896 Report

Quoted By: >>38799937 >>38799954

>>38799484
>I just want to play the game without only using fast sweepers..

All I want is a Pokemon game where it takes 10 turns on average to kill a Pokemon. 5 If you have a STAB type advantage over it.

I fucking hate the constant one turn KO's in Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:52:45 No.38799937 Report

Quoted By: >>38800033

>>38799896
then use stallmons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:53:15 No.38799954 Report

Quoted By: >>38803405

>>38799896
Me too buddy. Glass Cannon's live 2-4 hits and megatanks live 8-10

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:53:52 No.38799974 Report

Quoted By: >>38800873 >>38803704

>try to play the game
>can't because some retard 140 base attack mon kills you in one hit with a z-move even though you resisted it
Pokemon is dead competitively. OU is the worst the tier has ever been and it's only going to get worse
>DYNAMAX LANDO-T

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:54:19 No.38799993 Report

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>Dynamax Blissey/Ferrothorn/Toxapex
2 MORE YEARS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:55:13 No.38800033 Report

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>>38799937
I don't want "stall" I want the game tuned so normal non stall fights take 10 turns a Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 16:58:42 No.38800167 Report

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Realistically speaking, the average turn rate should be 3 for a sweeper and 5 for a tank before they get knocked out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:04:45 No.38800382 Report

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>>38799217
>Game is decided in the first two turns.
Who saud GF cared about balancing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:05:50 No.38800429 Report

Quoted By: >>38800521 >>38801247

>>38799862
>dynamax your pokemon
>stall mon used protect!
>your pokemon attacks with super effective hit
>stall mon survives with 15-25% (8% loss from the entry hazards)
>use sword dance
>stall mon used protect!
>your pokemon goes back to normal size
>hits with attack again
>stallmon faints
>Sweep entire team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:08:05 No.38800498 Report

Quoted By: >>38800557

>>38799862
>dynamax is 2 turns
>getting a protect up twice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:08:54 No.38800521 Report

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>>38800429
>use sword dance
every decent stall team has at least one pokemon with unaware

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:09:33 No.38800541 Report

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>>38799217
>Confirms all stats are buffed, even HP as seen with Pikachu
>Moves are presumed to be stronger with no resictions
>Last for 3 turns
It’s pretty much just better Z-moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:09:56 No.38800557 Report

Quoted By: >>38800816

>>38800498
>turn 1 protect
>turn 2 tank attack
>turn 3 protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:13:01 No.38800654 Report

Quoted By: >>38800950 >>38802776 >>38804011

>>38799250
This is the first gen where Stall is anywhere close to underwhelming are you fucking retarded?

>they'll just ban it like they ban every overwhelming wallbreaker that destroys stall

Oh yeah like when they banned Deoxys Defense, Shadow Tag, Arena Trap, and discussed banning Toxapex

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:14:43 No.38800708 Report

Quoted By: >>38800923

>not just using protect thrice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:15:07 No.38800722 Report

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>>38799862
>Needing to get 2 protects in a row
>Every sweeper will use it the same way as they do with Z-moves, but better since it lasts 3 turns and buffs all your moves
>You can still use Z-moves on other Pokemon, on top of megas and the new wallbreakers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:17:43 No.38800816 Report

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>>38800557
>Turn 4 die due to being at low health or let something else take heavy damage that is frailer on the side you were walling
>Also needing to predict the first turn with protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:19:19 No.38800861 Report

Quoted By: >>38802866

>Mimikyu used Protect x2
>Mimikyu's disguise was busted
>You shrink to babby mode
>You can likely only use 1 giant mon per battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:19:38 No.38800873 Report

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>>38799974
Wait, do people unironically think Z moves are bad for the game?
Fucking kek
Casuals that pretend to play competitive are cute

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:20:44 No.38800896 Report

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>>38799217
Will the pokemon stay a giant after you catch it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:21:21 No.38800923 Report

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>>38800708
>fucking virgins

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:22:02 No.38800950 Report

Quoted By: >>38802704

>>38800654
>Deoxys Defense
Deo-D always gets banned because it makes hyper offense too good, not stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:22:29 No.38800968 Report

Quoted By: >>38800997

its locked to gyms

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:23:13 No.38800997 Report

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>>38800968
and online

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:23:44 No.38801016 Report

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>>38799217
You can only use them in specific locations, I'm guessing you need to select special settings to use them in battles. They'll be as relevant as triple and rotation battles competitively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:30:35 No.38801247 Report

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>>38800429
>dynamax Clefable
There, you can use your precious Toxic+Protect combo.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:41:41 No.38801704 Report

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Impossible to tell until we know more. It looks like every move your pokemon has gets turned into a generic "big [type] move" a la Z-moves, with all status moves turned into Max Guard. You most likely can't disable it early, and you may not even be able to switch out, locking you into your Dynamax play which probably won't have much nuance besides just tossing out STAB moves. Z-Moves have shown the utility of turning moves into nukes at the expense of additional effects, but Dynamax has more commitment, especially if they have to hold an item for it like mega stones and z-crystals. There could be other drawbacks too, like big pokemon not having abilities, and they will probably balance around the 3-turn duration by making the average Max move weaker than a Z-move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:44:00 No.38801788 Report

Quoted By: >>38801924

>>38799862
Considering they made Z moves go through protect, and they know protect is a common strategy, I wouldn't be surprised if dynamax attacks did chip damage through protect, like z moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:46:26 No.38801878 Report

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>>38799217
I hope smogon fucking dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:48:03 No.38801924 Report

Quoted By: >>38803986 >>38804018

>>38801788
They'd probably keep the same 75% reduction too, when it should be a 90% reduction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 17:53:58 No.38802125 Report

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>>38799217
It's probably like Z Moves where it hits through things like Protect and Barriers so stall will probably be even harder

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:09:55 No.38802704 Report

Quoted By: >>38802844

>>38800950
Why is that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:12:24 No.38802776 Report

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>>38800654
Shadows Tag breaks many stall sets

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:14:17 No.38802844 Report

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>>38802704
It's far and away the best hazard setter in the game
Same with deo speed. It's virtually impossible to stop either of them from getting up at LEAST rocks+1 spike without ridiculously specific counter-leads and even then the deos can run moves to beat them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:14:52 No.38802866 Report

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>>38800861
>You can likely only use 1 giant mon per battle
Yeah this was confirmed later in the interview

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:15:18 No.38802880 Report

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>>38799217
>implying this not a inside game only

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:28:42 No.38803405 Report

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>>38799954
What a switching shitfest

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Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:30:16 No.38803481 Report

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>>38799217
>competitive pokemon on console

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Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:32:04 No.38803544 Report

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>COMPETITIVE
>POKE
>MON

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:36:14 No.38803704 Report

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>>38799974
Post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:43:42 No.38803986 Report

Quoted By: >>38804018

>>38801924
I'd honestly be okay with even less reduction, stall needs to fucking die in every form possible and imaginable.
They should create more

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:44:28 No.38804011 Report

Quoted By: >>38806720

>>38800654
arena trap was a stall tech you retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:44:40 No.38804018 Report

Quoted By: >>38804350

>>38801924
>>38803986
Accidentally sent while typing.
They should create more moves that penalize you from being around for too many turns, pretty much like Toxic, but without being a status.
I want something like a Toxic that goes away when you switch out, the bane of all stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 18:55:15 No.38804350 Report

Quoted By: >>38804633

>>38804018
you just described leech seed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 19:03:55 No.38804633 Report

Quoted By: >>38805163

>>38804350
Okay now make it deal increasing damage and give a variation of it to every attacking type, while keeping it out of any stall pokemon's moveset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 19:05:55 No.38804707 Report

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>>38799890
Weather wars were unironically fun before the therian genies dropped. Even ice types were relevant for a little while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 19:17:48 No.38805163 Report

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>>38804633
What the fuck are you on? No move in the game aside from basic 40-50 power attacking moves with no effects have a version for every type? And when you give this hypothetical move to any pokemon, if it has decent stats, it's now a stall pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 19:38:01 No.38805871 Report

Quoted By: >>38806444

>Player 2 Dynamaxed!
>Player 1 swapped in mimikyu!
>Player 1 used Protect!
>Player 1 used Protect!
Either mimikyu gets lucky and lives entirely, or dies. Waste 2 dyna turns.
Or;
>Player 1 used protect!
>Player 1 swapped in shedinja!
>Player 1 used protect or just survives with wonder guard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 19:58:58 No.38806444 Report

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>>38805871
Dont use your Dynamax when Mimikyu is active out retard. Shedninja would die from stealth rocks so who cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 20:04:35 No.38806597 Report

Quoted By: >>38806684

>>38799217
Won’t change really. The meta in every tier is less general strategy and more about swap reading and hazards now anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 20:07:38 No.38806684 Report

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>>38806597
>now
It's been like that since gen 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 20:09:06 No.38806720 Report

Quoted By: >>38807117

>>38804011
I think you're the retarded guy here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 20:22:39 No.38807117 Report

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>>38806720
>stall = six walls
i bet you think shuckle is a stall mon too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2019 20:23:56 No.38807154 Report

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>>38799250
Stall is prominent in gen5 nowadays
Gen 7 made it thankfully less viable due to z moves and magearna 6-0ing every type of stall
Now this gimmick will maybe revitalize it, imagine a super bulky mon that can stop a threat by sheer bulk

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