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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:02:18 No.38884228 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>38884242 >>38884245 >>38884259 >>38884292 >>38884356 >>38884510 >>38884799 >>38886039 >>38886061

>normies anally devastated about the possibility of "m-muh fire/fighting starter" every fucking gen
>but completely ignore the constant tide of gen 1 shilling that has come to infest every recent generation
God I hate normalfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:03:22 No.38884231 Report

Quoted By: >>38884260 >>38884346 >>38884782 >>38886840

Japan is pretty sick about Kanto, actually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:04:39 No.38884236 Report

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NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT ANOTHER FIRE/FIGHTING TYPE! THERE ARE TOO MANY POKÉMON WITH THAT TYPE ALREADY (even though none of them are available) THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY MORE!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:05:45 No.38884242 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884228
Even twitter and r*ddit users are starting to get sick of kanto pandering

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:06:34 No.38884245 Report

Quoted By: >>38884260 >>38884782

>>38884228
There's nothing actually wrong with """gen 1 shilling."""

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:07:37 No.38884252 Report

Quoted By: >>38884260 >>38884340

Japan wants more Kanto, actually.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:08:28 No.38884259 Report

Quoted By: >>38884272 >>38884372 >>38885881 >>38885960

>>38884228
>Fire/Fighting is actually a really great type combo that was only really used inefficiently with emboar
>people moaned so much about it that scorbunny will be pure fire to avoid further controversy which will actively cripple him
great. thanks.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:09:02 No.38884260 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884245
fuck you
>>38884252
>>38884231
and fuck japan too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:11:22 No.38884272 Report

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>>38884259
based

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:13:11 No.38884292 Report

Quoted By: >>38884375 >>38884408 >>38884441 >>38884462 >>38884782 >>38884828 >>38885828 >>38886016

>>38884228
Describe what's wrong with """kanto pandering""" that isn't just another way of saying "I'm butthurt that they're giving pokemon I don't like attention over pokemon I do like."

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:17:35 No.38884340 Report

Quoted By: >>38884504

>>38884252
Wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:18:18 No.38884346 Report

Quoted By: >>38884486

>>38884231
Wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:19:49 No.38884356 Report

Quoted By: >>38884782

>>38884228
>it's another my nostalgia > your nostalgia thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:21:34 No.38884372 Report

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>>38884259
I woudn't say Emboar uses it inefficiently.
Despite being RU, it was at several points considered an OU viable wallbreaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:21:39 No.38884375 Report

Quoted By: >>38884416

>>38884292
god you're a retard aren't you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:25:27 No.38884408 Report

Quoted By: >>38884416

>>38884292
Maybe just maybe people want the other gens to get a chance to shine instead of seeing charizard and eevee everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:26:19 No.38884416 Report

Quoted By: >>38884432 >>38884782

>>38884375
>no argument
wew lad

>>38884408
>Maybe just maybe people want the other gens to get a chance to shine
i.e. "I'm butthurt that they're giving pokemon I don't like attention over pokemon I do like." Gotcha anon.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:27:44 No.38884432 Report

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>>38884416
>wew lad
kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:28:47 No.38884441 Report

Quoted By: >>38884455

>>38884292
"Okay tell me what the problem is but don't say [obviously correct answer] because that makes you wrong for some reason"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:30:57 No.38884455 Report

Quoted By: >>38884490

>>38884441
>"""obviously""" correct answer is subjective "WAAAH WHY DON'T THEY PANDER TO -ME-" bullshit

I was hoping for more substance than that. Underagefags never fail to disappoint.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:31:44 No.38884462 Report

Quoted By: >>38884475

>>38884292
>gamefreak funneling all attention into the same old gen of pokemon isn’t a problem because i made it sound bad!
here’s a (you), on the house.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:33:33 No.38884475 Report

Quoted By: >>38884501

>>38884462
>>gamefreak funneling all attention into the same old gen of pokemon isn’t a problem
1. It isn't.
2. It's not even correct because not "all" attention goes to gen 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:34:40 No.38884486 Report

Quoted By: >>38884604

>>38884346
It's not wrong. Japan is interested in Sinnoh more than it is Kanto. LGPE didn't do well. Stop shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:34:59 No.38884490 Report

Quoted By: >>38884519

>>38884455
Alright then. Kanto pandering is used as a substitute for quality and if I wanted to use Kanto pokemon I'd play a Kanto game, like I would for every other region's pokemon (except Johto)

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:35:37 No.38884501 Report

Quoted By: >>38884519

>>38884475
>regional variants were exclusive to gen one pokémon
>this concept will never return and will forever be exclusive to kanto oldies
>this somehow ISN'T GF funneling all attention into gen one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:35:48 No.38884504 Report

Quoted By: >>38884569 >>38884587

>>38884340
It's not wrong. Japan is interesting in Kanto more than it is in Sinnoh. LGPE did well. Stop shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:36:41 No.38884510 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884228
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:37:10 No.38884519 Report

Quoted By: >>38884551

>>38884490
>Alright then. Kanto pandering is used as a substitute for quality
Explain. The game wouldn't magically have more quality if they pandered more to Pokemon you personally like.

>>38884501
>>regional variants were exclusive to gen one pokémon
So?

>>this concept will never return and will forever be exclusive to kanto oldies
So?

>>this somehow ISN'T GF funneling all attention into gen one
Good thing there are things in the game other than Alolan forms, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:41:44 No.38884551 Report

Quoted By: >>38884572

>>38884519
>An entire new CONCEPT was wasted on gen one Pokémon
>this isn’t a problem because i’m choosing to ignore it
>alola has other features anyways
yeah, so glad that. z-moves. also existed. love. z-moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:43:00 No.38884561 Report

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perhaps consider that people don't like seeing the same few pokemon endlessly shilled to them. Perhaps consider that newer players didn't grow up with Kanto and so the endless appeals to their nostalgia fall flat. And hell, even within Kanto there's a wider variety of Pokémon that could be shilled. Remember Kingler? Dewgong? Cloyster? Not much attention to those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:44:03 No.38884569 Report

Quoted By: >>38884585 >>38884646

>>38884504
>LGPE did well
Not in Japan. Now you can stop shitposting.
>http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/02/pokemon_sales_slump_to_all-time_low_in_japan_despite_strong_worldwide_performance_of_lets_go

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:44:07 No.38884572 Report

Quoted By: >>38884605 >>38884625

>>38884551
>>this isn’t a problem because i’m choosing to ignore it
It isn't a problem because it literally isn't a problem.

>yeah, so glad that. z-moves. also existed. love. z-moves.
Yup. I love how good Kommo-o is with its signature Z-move. Glad you agree anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:45:26 No.38884585 Report

Quoted By: >>38884621

>>38884569
>Not in Japan.
Yes in Japan. Now you can stop shitposting.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/12/japanese_charts_pokemon_lets_go_still_number_one_for_third_week_switch_sales_rise_again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:45:37 No.38884587 Report

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>>38884504
>Japan is interesting in Kanto
Imagine only doing literal copy-paste tier shitposts and still getting them wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:47:14 No.38884604 Report

Quoted By: >>38884621 >>38884633

>>38884486
>LGPE didn't do well
It did in Japan. Now you can stop shitposting.
https://nintendosoup.com/japan-pokemon-lets-go-sold-664000-copies-at-launch/

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:47:19 No.38884605 Report

Quoted By: >>38884612

>>38884572
>It isn't a problem because it literally isn't a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:48:17 No.38884612 Report

Quoted By: >>38884640

>>38884605
You haven't actually explained how it's a problem beyond "B-BUT THEY DIDN'T GIVE POKEMON -I- LIKE ALOLAN FORMS ;_;"

The game wouldn't be any higher quality if they gave Skuntank an Alolan form over Marowak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:49:23 No.38884621 Report

Quoted By: >>38885162 >>38886019

>>38884585
>LGPE sells less than any other Pokemon game in Japan because it's Kanto, but still sells more than literal nothing series because it's Pokemon
>This means that Japan loves Kanto
Are you retarded?

>>38884604
That's not doing well by Pokemon standard at all. Especially for the first home console Pokemon game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:49:30 No.38884625 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884572
you know what anon? Forget this little spat. You’re a pretty funny guy. Enjoy your summer, bud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:50:40 No.38884633 Report

Quoted By: >>38884677

>>38884604
ORAS did three times that anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:50:54 No.38884639 Report

Quoted By: >>38884650

zoomers are so easy to bait, it's really funny to watch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:50:58 No.38884640 Report

Quoted By: >>38884662

>>38884612
There was potential for Alolan forms of gen 2-6 pokemon but there weren't any, as all the forms were for Kanto mons. There were later gen Pokémon that could have benefitted from megas but were neglected in favor of gen 1 pokemon that didn't need them. It's an issue of wasted potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:51:49 No.38884646 Report

Quoted By: >>38884712

>>38884569
>LGPE sells faster than any other new Switch game in Japan except Splatoon 2 despite being a remake on a new and more expensive console
>This means that Japan hates Kanto
Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:52:00 No.38884650 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884639
>i was only pretending to be retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:53:15 No.38884662 Report

Quoted By: >>38884689 >>38884701

>>38884640
>There was potential for Alolan forms of gen 2-6 pokemon but there weren't any,
There was also potential for Alolan forms of gen 1 pokemon. So I still fail to see how this is a problem.

>but were neglected in favor of gen 1 pokemon that didn't need them.
And gen 3 Pokemon that didn't need them, considering how gen 3 has even more megas than gen 1 does. But conveniently you're ignoring that. I wonder why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:54:15 No.38884677 Report

Quoted By: >>38884723

>>38884633
>cheaper game on console more people own sells more

Shocking. Got any other woke facts for me anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:55:18 No.38884689 Report

Quoted By: >>38885313

>>38884662
Yes, potential that was fufilled.
>gen 3 has even more megas than gen 1 does
Yes, but that's excusable because gen 6 had the Hoenn remakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:56:23 No.38884701 Report

Quoted By: >>38885313

>>38884662
>Alolan forms for other Gens means no alolan forms for gen 1!! :(
not the case in the slightest and you know it. Cmon anon. What are you still doing here man?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:57:19 No.38884712 Report

Quoted By: >>38885879

>>38884646
>LGPE sells faster than any other new Switch game in Japan except Splatoon 2 despite being a remake on a new and more expensive console
Smash sold twice as much in 3 days, lol.
>This means that Japan hates Kanto
They don't hate Kanto, they are pretty sick of it, though. That's why it sold poorly in Japan compared to other regions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 18:59:09 No.38884723 Report

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>>38884677
HGSS was on a console even more people owned and sold less than ORAS, though.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 19:04:55 No.38884782 Report

Quoted By: >>38885177

>>38884231
>>38884245
>>38884292
>>38884356
>>38884416
This is why genwunners are objectively the worst part of the Pokemon fandom, and are so constantly memed on. You guys make me embarrassed that Pokemon Blue was my first Pokemon game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 19:08:47 No.38884799 Report

Quoted By: >>38884832

>>38884228
Yeah too bad gen 5 sucked so hard they started focusing on the original games’ Pokémon more. I sure hate seeing Goombas in Mario games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 19:11:47 No.38884828 Report

Quoted By: >>38885177

>>38884292
because I'd like it if a generation can stand on its own. Because gen 1 had its' shine time and again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 19:12:24 No.38884832 Report

Quoted By: >>38884880

>>38884799
The appeal of Mario isn't the enemies, it is the platforming. You don't Mario re-use the same levels every game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 19:18:50 No.38884880 Report

Quoted By: >>38884970

>>38884832
Ummm yes it is. Also the platforming. Why do you think they steered hard back towards original Mario monsters after reskinning Doki Doki Panic into Super Mario Bros. 2? Why do you think they went to the trouble of showing the images and names of every monster at the end of Super Mario World? You can have shit taste, but please don’t embarrass yourself, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 19:30:12 No.38884970 Report

Quoted By: >>38885966

>>38884880
You know they kept the DDP monsters around in later entries right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 19:49:31 No.38885162 Report

Quoted By: >>38885637

>>38884621
>>LGPE sells less than any other Pokemon game in Japan because it's Kanto, but still sells more than literal nothing series because it's Pokemon
It sold faster than Mario Odyssey, lol.

>>This means that Japan loves Kanto
They do, that's why it sold well in Japan compared to other games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 19:51:09 No.38885177 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884828
>because I'd like it if a generation can stand on its own.
Every generation stands on its own regardless of whether or not """kanto pandering""" exists

>>38884782
Do you have an argument anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 20:05:43 No.38885313 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884689
>Yes, potential that was fufilled.
No it wasn't. Plenty of other gen 1 Pokemon could have gotten Alolan forms.

>>38884701
>>Alolan forms for other Gens means no alolan forms for gen 1!! :(
That's not even remotely what I said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 20:38:37 No.38885637 Report

Quoted By: >>38886011 >>38886934

>>38885162
>about 29% of USUM's first years sales come from Japan
>about 13% of LGPE'S total sales come from Japan
Every bit of data points out to LGPE not selling well at all in Japan compared to other Pokemon games. LGPE was a success solely because it did well in the west. Also, you should drop the shitposter-thing you're doing and just reply to my most recent post because there's no real point to it other than trying to be annoying for the sake of being annoying, especially since you're not adding anything of significant to the discussion.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:02:15 No.38885828 Report

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>>38884292
Nothing inherently, I can appreciate some good fanservice now and then. The problem is that GameFreak prioritizes fanservice over developing their new content. Look at XY, Kalos is barely finished and not a single new Pokemon gets a Mega until ORAS. Look at LGPE, shit's self-explanatory. If the SS leak is to be believed, Pikachu/Lapras/Meowth get to "Gigantamax" for special features, while most of the cast is simply resized (including your starter, presumably). GameFreak keeps trying to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was Red and Blue without understanding what actually made it successful, and in the process they stifle the series' potential for growth. Or, more cynically, they understand that Pokemon fans will buy both versions regardless of quality if they get to use their favorites with a few new monsters thrown in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:07:28 No.38885879 Report

Quoted By: >>38885997

>>38884712
>LGPE sold 1.3x Mario Odyssey in the first week in Japan
>LGPE sold 2.3 Mario Kart 8 deluxe in the first week in Japan
Every bit of data points out to LGPE selling well in Japan compared to other Switch games. LGPE was a success everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:07:33 No.38885881 Report

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>>38884259
Fucking this. I don't know why everyone complains about Fire/Fighting starters when Mono fire is far worse.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:15:48 No.38885960 Report

Quoted By: >>38886444

>>38884259
Pokemon fanbase logic:
>3 fire/fighting starters, unique and extremely useful typing only used on starters, too many
>3 mono water/grass starters, a super common and not very good typing, this is fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:17:45 No.38885966 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884970
Yo do know you can still catch every Pokémon right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:22:08 No.38885997 Report

Quoted By:

>>38885879
Even the examples you give are retarded, as Mario's ww sales were 2 millions in its first week while LGPE had 3 millions ww, but Mario still managed 4 millions more in total - meaning Mario was a bigger success in Japan as well as in the rest of the world. So yeah, It did worse than Mario, Splatoon and Smash and it did worse than every single previous Pokemon release in Japan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:23:57 No.38886011 Report

Quoted By:

>>38885637
>Japan prefers Ultra Changes
>West prefers LGBT
really makes you think

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:24:21 No.38886016 Report

Quoted By: >>38886031

>>38884292
>lack of variety
There I did it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:24:43 No.38886019 Report

Quoted By: >>38886057

>>38884621
>>LGPE sells less than any other Pokemon game in Japan because it's Kanto, but still sells more than literal nothing series because it's Pokemon
Are you seriously comparing lifetime sales to less than a year?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:25:46 No.38886031 Report

Quoted By: >>38886565

>>38886016
But there's plenty of variety.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:26:48 No.38886039 Report

Quoted By:

>>38884228
>but completely ignore the constant tide of gen 1 shilling that has come to infest every recent generation
can you guys get over this already? gamefreak, the masses, celebrities, everyone likes gen 1. its just how its going to be. just ignore it if you can handle it but its never going to change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:29:33 No.38886057 Report

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>>38886019
>Are you seriously comparing lifetime sales to less than a year?
No? You can go ahead and find a game that had a worse initial performance than LGPE in Japan if you're implying there is one.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 21:30:00 No.38886061 Report

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>>38884228
They should really shill Hoenn and Sinnoh more, they were so much better than Kanto and Johto and have some of the most popular pokemon for internet fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 22:18:26 No.38886444 Report

Quoted By:

>>38885960
>What do you mean you dislike both? You can't dislike both! MOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 22:30:58 No.38886565 Report

Quoted By: >>38886713

>>38886031
You have 7 generations to pull from now. Continuing to focus on one of them is not variety.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 22:54:39 No.38886713 Report

Quoted By:

>>38886565
Yes it is. Because gen 1 alone has 151 Pokemon and every other generation still gets attention.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 23:10:40 No.38886840 Report

Quoted By: >>38886859 >>38886921

>>38884231
How? Kanto is based on Japan. Its just pandering to the home market.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 23:12:40 No.38886859 Report

Quoted By:

>>38886840
>Kanto is based on Japan
Yeah and so is Johto, Sinnoh, and Hoenn. What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 23:17:48 No.38886921 Report

Quoted By:

>>38886840
4 regions are based on Japan, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Jun 2019 23:19:22 No.38886934 Report

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>>38885637
Even the examples you give are retarded, as the Switch is a newer more expensive console and LGPE is a more expensive game. Mario Odyssey and Mario Kart's were far lower in the first week despite also being loved series in Japan - meaning that LGPE was a bigger success in Japan as well as the rest of the world.

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