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Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:01:07 No.38993826 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>38993834 >>38993904 >>38993921 >>38993929 >>38993935 >>38994071 >>38994548 >>38995264

>Showdown
>PokéMMO
>Reborn
>Insurgence
>Prism
>Drayano's hacks, Red++, Polished Crystal and other improvement mods
Is the Pokémon series taking Sonic's place now that Mania is a thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:02:33 No.38993834 Report

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>>38993826
Pixelmon also takes a shit on Gamefreak's garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:05:19 No.38993851 Report

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Romhacks and battle simulators are the most fun I have with the franchise. I'm more excited imagining what new romhacks will come out than the actual mainline games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:11:55 No.38993904 Report

Quoted By: >>38993916

>>38993826
People can only play Fire Red, Ruby, Platinum, and Black 2 for so long before they've had their fill

Eventually, one of two things must happen: the introduction of new, own-created Pokemon; or, the leap to a custom engine that leaves the classic one behind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:13:19 No.38993916 Report

Quoted By: >>38993941

>>38993904
What do you mean by that? Some of the fangames mentioned in the OP already have gen 6 and 7 Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:13:42 No.38993921 Report

Quoted By: >>38993941

>>38993826
>ywn play an official Pokemon game developed by some fan who used to make ROM hacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:15:24 No.38993929 Report

Quoted By: >>38994007

>>38993826
>Is the Pokémon series taking Sonic's place now that Mania is a thing?
won't happen because the paid off jornolists will never say shit like "Pokemon was never good" due to nostalgia

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:16:25 No.38993935 Report

Quoted By: >>38993948

>>38993826
What romhacks have fakemon that actually seem convincing? Most are severly hit or miss in consistentcy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:17:04 No.38993941 Report

Quoted By: >>38994016

>>38993916
fanmade Pokemon; and an engine that wasn't built by GameFreak
>>38993921
>official

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:18:09 No.38993948 Report

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>>38993935
None of them
But you know what they say: Be the Change you want to see in the world!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:22:08 No.38993984 Report

Quoted By: >>38994040 >>38994041

>Want Pokemon to change
>Showdown
>PokéMMO
>Reborn
>Insurgence
>Prism
>Drayano's hacks, Red++, Polished Crystal and other improvement mods
Besides Prism actually be good, that's all more of the same, they don't do anything new except some really awful/edgy writing and making me have to use more potions/x-items then normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:24:18 No.38994007 Report

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>>38993929
People are nostalgic about Sonic, too. Actually, isn't that what the "x was never good" argument is usually based on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:25:35 No.38994016 Report

Quoted By: >>38994036

>>38993941
Why did you greentext "official"? Go read up about Sonic Mania before you post in this thread again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:27:36 No.38994036 Report

Quoted By: >>38994040

>>38994016
Because you don't need an official Pokemon fangame and you're bluepilled for thinking that matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:28:27 No.38994040 Report

Quoted By: >>38994119

>>38993984
Who wanted Pokémon to change? I thought the point was to at the very least keep the level of quality where it was before gen 8 (or better yet, 6). Bonus points if it improves from there. I agree on the edgy writing though.

>>38994036
Oh yeah, I get your point then. Being official actually limits them on what they can do, to be fair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:28:38 No.38994041 Report

Quoted By: >>38994119

>>38993984
What do you suggest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:32:28 No.38994071 Report

Quoted By: >>38994092 >>38994166

>>38993826
I wish fangame stopped trying to be edgy and that the devs had some self control in self inserting quirky stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:34:08 No.38994092 Report

Quoted By: >>38994161

>>38994071
Maybe now that Game Freak betrayed us this bad they'll begin to take themselves more seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:37:00 No.38994119 Report

Quoted By: >>38994148 >>38994151

>>38994040
That's sort of the problem with being a Pokemon fan now, people have a lot of opinions since I think gen 6 cut a lot of the fat and was a more pleasurable experience. All we can do is share opinions, but I know fan-games are very rarely "high quality". Prism is a rarity in that it's really good but Pokemon, for me, peaked with HG/SS with Gen 5 being a bloated mess and X/Y cutting to much content. I just think you're fooling yourself if you think any of the romhacks above are "of quality" except Prism.

>>38994041
No idea, when I hated Pokemon during gen 5, I simply stopped playing and moved on to new JRPG's. Nobody seems willing to take this route, but this whole revolt with ShSw seems to be a lot of people unwilling to give up Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:40:05 No.38994148 Report

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>>38994119
Aside from gen 5 being very divisive, your opinions seem to be quite common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:40:12 No.38994151 Report

Quoted By: >>38994173 >>38994192

>>38994119
>I simply stopped playing and moved on to new JRPG's. Nobody seems willing to take this route
because they suck for one reason or another
if you're going to abandon a decade+ investment, it had better be strictly better; and none of them are

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:41:16 No.38994161 Report

Quoted By: >>38994173

>>38994092
Nah, they will just probably go full edge with them Pokémon wars, go full LGBT pandering or self insert their RP characters once again.

Bonus point if the league and leaders are devs stand ins with quirky dialogue.

I swear to God it happens far too often.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:42:13 No.38994166 Report

Quoted By: >>38994201

>>38994071
So basically you wish that people who wouldn't do that would stop being lazy and start making their own games.
Never gonna happen. Too busy playing old shit, fapping to hentai, and arguing over it.
Meanwhile, Social Justice Workers actually get shit done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:42:59 No.38994173 Report

Quoted By: >>38994190 >>38994201

>>38994151
That sounds like a joke.

>>38994161
>Bonus point if the league and leaders are devs stand ins
Are you the guy who can't help shitposting about Crystal Clear by any chance?

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:45:05 No.38994190 Report

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>>38994173
>That sounds like a joke.
I'll show you a joke if you want one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:45:11 No.38994192 Report

Quoted By: >>38994219

>>38994151
That seems to be your problem, I don't consider being a fan "an investment". I hated gen 5, so I stopped playing but not playing doesn't invalidate the fun I did have with gen 1-4. I always thought it's fine to stop liking something cause there's always new things in the future. If you simply hate the direction Pokemon is going, not playing it isn't going to make the past a waste of time if you have fun, fun doesn't magically get erased from your past.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:46:13 No.38994198 Report

Quoted By: >>38994231

Since we're comparing the situation with Sonic's, do you guys know what Sonic fangames were like before the community became as big as it is nowadays? Sonic Robo Blast used to be the best a Sonic fangame could be at some point. Not Sonic Robo Blast 2, I'm talking about the original. Go take a look. If the series is popular enough and the games aren't satisfying, fans will spend they're time working on them and become better and better. Just the fact that Showdown exists is amazing. Think of where things can go from there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:46:24 No.38994201 Report

Quoted By: >>38994229

>>38994166
>Meanwhile, Social Justice Workers actually get shit done.

Dear God no. I rather have an incompetent dev than a woke one, look what the fuck happened to bioware in its dark writing days.
>>38994173
It isn't the only one to do that, CC is OK until you reach that bullshit so it can be forgiven.

However there are even worse games that go full retard here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:48:14 No.38994219 Report

Quoted By: >>38994277

>>38994192
Instead, the fun becomes inaccessible to the future. You'll be forced to play past games to reap the same enjoyment, as there are no other products which will exactly fill the gaps the series left by changing.
Accepting this process of change without effort is called 'cuckholdry'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:49:18 No.38994229 Report

Quoted By: >>38994244

>>38994201
>I rather have an incompetent dev than a woke one
Tough shit, because what you're getting is nodev at all.
The people who complain about social justice in games have not, do not, will not make their own games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:49:25 No.38994231 Report

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>>38994198
Doom is such a magical thing man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:49:37 No.38994234 Report

Quoted By: >>38994262

The problem with the writing in main Pokémon games is that the world building is really bad to begin with. "There's monsters, and there's this sport 99% of people worldwide are constantly obsessed with, and you want to become the best, catch all the monsters and stop an evil organization from destroying the planet for some unclear reason". You can't do much with such a stupid premise.

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:50:21 No.38994238 Report

Quoted By: >>38994259

What would be the Sonic Mania of Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:51:14 No.38994244 Report

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>>38994229
>The people who complain about social justice in games have not, do not, will not make their own games.
Dunno man, angry goy was fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:52:59 No.38994259 Report

Quoted By: >>38995700

>>38994238
>Pokémon Mania Version is 6 generations away

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:53:29 No.38994262 Report

Quoted By: >>38994279

>>38994234
>The problem with the writing in main Pokémon games is that the world building is really bad to begin with.
this is correct but the rest of your post has 0 to do with this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:54:59 No.38994277 Report

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>>38994219
I'm trying to think of how to respond cause that's such an absurd take that I have to assume it's a troll. Using the word cuckholdry doesn't help, but if this is actually real, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:55:24 No.38994279 Report

Quoted By: >>38994294

>>38994262
Anons were talking about how bad the story in SM/USUM or the edgy stories are. I think fangames should at the very least try the Ranger/Detective Pikachu approach and let the world have something going on other than muh sports and muh evil organization.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:56:48 No.38994294 Report

Quoted By: >>38994331

>>38994279
How is S/M a bad story, makes more sense then "I'll destroy the universe and re-create it in my image".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 09:02:37 No.38994331 Report

Quoted By: >>38994356

>>38994294
It has more going on and it makes more sense, sure, but I wouldn't say it's well executed. The game actually gives me the best example to showcase one of the biggest problems with the worldbuilding of the entire series:
>Lillie: no don't treat us like objects ever since i met [player] i understand pokemon are friends
>Lusamine: how am I any different? he just boxes his pokémon and forgets about them just like i do. also you suck because you don't dress the way i want you to, time to get my brain sucked by an alien jellyfish rock
>Lillie: good thing the writers saved me from having to come up with a counter argument for that! it's your turn now [player], go defeat lusamine in a pokemon battle!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 09:06:13 No.38994356 Report

Quoted By: >>38994383

>>38994331
As much as I like the story, I'd agree it would be better without Lillie. What I liked more was the the UB's themselves, big reason I like USUM more cause it really kicks Lillie/Lusamine to the side to world build the UB's a lot more. I also don't think it's wrong to go with the idea that Lillie couldn't have a counter argument cause Lusamine is actually right, just her methods are wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 09:10:48 No.38994383 Report

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>>38994356
I haven't played USUM, so I don't know what they did there, but I do like the UltraBeasts and the concept behind them. If we look outside Game Freak's games we can see the Pokémon themselves tend to have well defined personality or stories. Perhaps the key to writing a good Pokémon story is to use the Pokémon themselves to their full potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 09:30:59 No.38994548 Report

Quoted By: >>38994643

>>38993826
Do any of these games have Gen 6 Pokémon? Cuz I could never buy a 3ds.
Only played HG and FR on NDS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 09:41:57 No.38994643 Report

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>>38994548
Insurgence has all Pokémon up to gen 6 + some fanmade megaevolutions and forms. It also has a needlessly edgy story about satanistic cults or something, but I think they introduced the option to disable it. Story aside, it looked pretty cool to me.
I'm not very familiar with Reborn, I just know that it has all Pokémon up to USUM, but it's full of nonsensical LGBTQ+ pandering.
If you want to replay FireRed or play Emerald/Platinum (soon)/BW, then PokéMMO is the best way to do so, if you like multiplayer and having gen 5 Pokémon in gen 3 and soon 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 11:25:05 No.38995264 Report

Quoted By: >>38995363

>>38993826
>Showdown
Masuda's decision will impact Showdown as well as the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 11:36:22 No.38995363 Report

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>>38995264
Yeah but you can always play older gens in showdown and something tells me that they will allow a mode to play with all mons, where Lando will still be king.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 11:58:26 No.38995516 Report

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Clover too. It's a giant shitpost, but actually has better difficulty and soundtrack than the original FRLG, and gen 6 mechanics, and more obtainable Pokémon, and some genuinely good gags (eg Brock on the asteroid light years away, Big Bill Hell's bike shop, that kid in the Beehive PMC who says the Champion is "your mom" and isn't lying).

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Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 12:04:57 No.38995574 Report

Quoted By: >>38995764 >>38997417

*clears throat*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 12:21:44 No.38995700 Report

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>>38994259
That's about... 6/8 years from now if gamefreak's track record is anything to go by

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 12:28:51 No.38995764 Report

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>>38995574
Disgusting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 15 Jun 2019 15:01:17 No.38997417 Report

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>>38995574
What is this one like?

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