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Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:17:22 No.39041470 View View Reply Original Report

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I hate dexit too but seeing people claiming that most of the move's animation is like doublekick's is stupid and untrue, so l wanted to rectify the situation by listing all the moves I thought looked cool:
https://youtu.be/p_dgvgpC8Nw?t=43
https://youtu.be/p_dgvgpC8Nw?t=111
https://youtu.be/p_dgvgpC8Nw?t=147
https://youtu.be/LMziLzHWRLY?t=1472
https://youtu.be/LMziLzHWRLY?t=1435
(excuse the spaghetti language)
https://youtu.be/TmWu-f6L0Mo?t=461
https://youtu.be/TmWu-f6L0Mo?t=1129
https://youtu.be/LMziLzHWRLY?t=332
https://youtu.be/LMziLzHWRLY?t=351
also, I think that doublekick animation does not need to be breathtaking since it is a starting move and it would be weird it was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:18:55 No.39041495 Report

Quoted By: >>39041581 >>39041698 >>39041755

>>39041470
I miss when move animations were simple yet impactful without needing a bunch of glitter and bell and whistles. Gen 2 move animations were peak soul.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:19:09 No.39041501 Report

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No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:21:00 No.39041522 Report

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oh, apparently 4chan doesn't deal with "copy url from this moment" well and it seems I can't delete this post so I'm sorry if this looked stupid and was a waste of time for y'all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:21:17 No.39041527 Report

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>>39041470
They are expected to do new move animations because they always have. This wasn't an issue in S/M, and I doubt they are adding a significant amount of new moves anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:21:21 No.39041528 Report

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>>39041470
The 3 of these links I looked at just had cool move effects. The Pokémon didn’t do jack shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:22:27 No.39041538 Report

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Still not buying it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:22:39 No.39041543 Report

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>>39041522
if you manually copy and paste the links in a new tab, they open to the times that you intended. Just the embed player doesn't recognize the time stamps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:23:23 No.39041546 Report

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>>39041528
dude, that's how pokemon is, it's like you're complaining about the fact that Mario's jumps are unrealistically high. also, did you see corviknight's move and scorbunny's charge?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:24:24 No.39041563 Report

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>>39041543
ah, ok, thank you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:25:21 No.39041581 Report

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>>39041495
I saw someone claim that they played the demo and that the fights felt a lot snappier cause the attacks have been simplified. They said that the people handling the demo said that the attacks were specifically tightened up so they didn't drag as much as past games.

From the stuff I've seen, it seems that's fairly true, but in turn they kinda missed the "impact" part on other moves.
Didn't save it, but someone got webms of Brave Bird from the demo and from the old games. S/S Brave Bird is way simpler and more to the point, but it lacks strong impact while old Brave Bird has a lot of impact but it feels much longer and more drawn out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:27:36 No.39041615 Report

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>>39041581
https://youtu.be/LMziLzHWRLY?t=371 this is brave bird
again, sorry for the spaghettil language.
the fact that they streamlined and made everything snappier doesn't mean that the animation are shitty or anithing, wanted to clarify that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:28:06 No.39041624 Report

Quoted By: >>39041678 >>39041701 >>39041742 >>39041792

>>39041470
They should unironically cut 50-70% of existing moves and focus on making the existing ones better animated. There are many redundancies and countless signature moves that need canning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:31:48 No.39041678 Report

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>>39041624
I don't quite agree because yeah, there are some redundancies but they can still coexist. ultimately, I think we are nitpicking too much in general since we got to see very very little of the game and its moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:31:54 No.39041683 Report

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>>39041546
masuda claimed he cut pokemon out of the games entirely in exchange for higher-quality animations. "that's how pokemon is" isn't going to cut it as an excuse for the same shitty animations this time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:32:29 No.39041695 Report

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>>39041581
>>39041615
Oh, certainly. I actually prefer new Brave Bird over the old one. It's faster but still gets the point and power across. The only problem with it is the actual hit isn't as impactful.

Also, I found the thread by googling
>>38965450
Here's the old Brave Bird. It seems like it's 8 or so seconds long while the new one is like 4-5 seconds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:32:46 No.39041698 Report

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>>39041495
>>39041581
I think one of the biggest detractors to impact is that they don't have any knockback animations. No matter what the move, pokemon just kind of sit there unphased by getting bum rushed or having giant lasers fired at them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:32:56 No.39041701 Report

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>>39041624
Who said we're getting all the moves programmed into the game?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:35:04 No.39041742 Report

Quoted By: >>39041788 >>39041829 >>39041938 >>39042069

>>39041695
And here's the new Brave Bird in gif form

>>39041624
Nah, the vast movepool is good cause some pokemon need that redundancy to really feel like they fight the way they should.

>>39041698
Eh, a bit. Old Brave Bird also had a lot of kicking up dust and stuff to add to the hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:36:55 No.39041755 Report

Quoted By: >>39041911

>>39041495

Aurora beam, Thunder, Psybeam and Surf stand out as being absolutely fucking dope moves that I liked the animations / sounds for gen II. I miss the screen shaking, warping, blurring, the negative colors, etc, they weren't afraid to get creative to make the moves look cool. I liked kind of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:37:25 No.39041763 Report

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Pre XY animation was infinitely better. You're still playing catchup to a game that came out in '99, Masuda.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:38:48 No.39041788 Report

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>>39041695
>>39041742
>Preferring this new one that looks like some Flame Charge rip-off.

I dunno man, at least the old one was a fitting dynamic attack for the description and power. New one’s a bit too plain, and again makes me question their whole animation excuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:39:12 No.39041792 Report

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>>39041624
I agree. When has mud sport or water sport ever been useful? Why are there so many iterations of single-stage stat-drop moves? Why are there so many gimmick moves that just don’t add anything because they are too situational?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:39:33 No.39041794 Report

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>>39041470
Shills do it for free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:40:18 No.39041803 Report

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>>39041470
>still 4 or less moves for pokémon
Awful and lazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:41:31 No.39041829 Report

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>>39041742
Fucking boring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:42:15 No.39041848 Report

Quoted By: >>39041959 >>39041987

>>39041683
these are high-quality animations tho. he's probably referring to the pokemon in the wild and the new pokemon amie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:43:52 No.39041876 Report

Quoted By: >>39041905 >>39041911

they should follow what Stadium and BR did with animations

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:44:18 No.39041882 Report

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>>39041829
I don't agree. you sound like a whining child tho hahaha

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:45:21 No.39041905 Report

Quoted By: >>39041967

>>39041876
see, you're kinda right but that would change the entire feel of pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:45:40 No.39041911 Report

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>>39041755
You should play the Prism romhack, the move animations are just as if not more amazing than vanilla gen 2. Especially Noise Pulse

>>39041876
>BR Hyper Beam

GOAT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:47:44 No.39041938 Report

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>>39041742
brave bird is looking a bit lame this time around don't like how it went from a really fast hard hitting move to just ''imma just scrape my belly against this turtle'' idk I'm not feeling this one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:49:37 No.39041959 Report

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>>39041848
>these are high-quality animations tho.
no they aren't. they're game boy-tier "animations."
>he's probably referring to the pokemon in the wild
they're using walking animations that have already been made since xy.
>and the new pokemon amie.
it will 100% use the same animations as amie/refresh, and masuda will claim they're "more expressive."

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:50:33 No.39041967 Report

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>>39041905
just make some faster, cleaner animations
if anything it would make the games more interesting than the blinding shiny particle effects

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:51:37 No.39041987 Report

Quoted By: >>39042059

>>39041848
I do think he's likely referring to Campfire honestly. But they should have shown that off before talking about high quality animations.

I think there was an interview a while back actually where they talked about keeping animations during battle simple because they wanted battles to move fast. It might have been from around SM?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:56:22 No.39042059 Report

Quoted By: >>39042146

>>39041987
>I think there was an interview a while back actually where they talked about keeping animations during battle simple because they wanted battles to move fast.
that's an incredibly lame excuse for their laziness if true. isn't that what the "turn battle effects off" option is supposed to there be for?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:56:55 No.39042069 Report

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>>39041742
That brave bird gif shows the exact problem with Masuda's "exciting animations". It's a generic bird doing the move like always. There was no reason why any pokemon had to be cut for Brave Bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:58:41 No.39042088 Report

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>>39041470
There's a difference between the attack's animation and the pokemon animation. Generally the pokemon just have an animation for special attacks and physical attacks, the only thing that changes are the special effects, that's why Blastoise's hydro pump comes out of its mouth, they just programmed all the beam moves to come out from the models mouth or near it.
If they actually do want to improve the attack's animations but started culling pokemon instead of useless redundat moves I'm going to be even more fucking furious because that's the most retarded ass-backward shit ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2019 23:59:17 No.39042100 Report

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>>39041470
>reused animations from Let's GO
*yawn*

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 00:03:09 No.39042146 Report

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>>39042059
I'm not excusing anything, I'm just pointing out an interview I vaguely remember. But I do think Campfire will be where all the animations are. Which personally I'd rather see that cut then half the dex. They haven't shown that off yet right? We only know about it from the leaks right?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2019 00:10:42 No.39042262 Report

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All this talk about battle animations and people praising Colosseum and BR's animations made me go check them out since I never played BR and haven't played Colosseum or XD in years.

Colosseum is interesting since it seems to have a lot more attack animations, but otherwise a lot of it seems pretty similar to the mainline games.
Battle Revolution feels REALLY different due to the use of running up, but actually the animations seem to be just as limited as usual to 1 special and 1 physical, just they added the running to change things up. Also, they take FOREVER compared to the other games, which I guess makes sense since that was ALL the gameplay.

Looking at them, I'd say that GF really should have made more than 1 special and physical animation per pokemon to reach peak animation quality without detracting from the gameplay.
At the same time though, them keeping the animations really short and snappy is a good thing. You go through like a thousand fights in a regular Pokemon game, and they're not the only gameplay in the mainline titles. Whatever can be one to make them visually interesting while still to the point and not dragging on is what they should go for.
BR's battles look pretty, but they're a slog to imagine doing thousands of times over. the fights in the S/S demo so far seem to be a good speed. The big issue really is just that they should have more pokemon animations for attacks.

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