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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 08:53:41 No.39103414 View View Reply Original Report

Pokemon should stay in 2D

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 08:55:09 No.39103419 Report

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>>39103414
Fact.
2.5D was okay, but full on Sprites would be great.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 08:55:19 No.39103420 Report

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>>39103414
Aye.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 08:56:17 No.39103429 Report

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>>39103414
what fan game is this?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 08:57:43 No.39103435 Report

Quoted By: >>39103439 >>39103534

>>39103429
Pokemon Garnet

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 08:57:53 No.39103437 Report

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is that a fangame

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 08:58:25 No.39103439 Report

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>>39103435
Any good?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 09:02:56 No.39103460 Report

Quoted By: >>39103479 >>39104088 >>39107702

SOUL

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 09:06:29 No.39103479 Report

Quoted By: >>39103544 >>39109827

>>39103460
Is that Phoenix Rising?Besides all the pro-LGBT content it's pretty decent.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 09:11:26 No.39103497 Report

Quoted By: >>39105054

>>39103414
They could’ve done so much more with 2D. Out of everything GF’s done, I’ll be forever pissed about the move to 3D.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 09:20:01 No.39103534 Report

Quoted By: >>39103544 >>39107568

>>39103435
Is that game over? Or still in devlopment

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 09:21:36 No.39103544 Report

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>>39103534
i think its dropped
>>39103479
yea phoenix rising

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 09:26:45 No.39103568 Report

Quoted By: >>39104109 >>39104148 >>39104986 >>39105187 >>39107235 >>39107607 >>39109037 >>39110831

>>39103414
I actually prefer 3d
It lets you be able to do much more with the games and reach a higher level of immersion and detail

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 09:37:08 No.39103605 Report

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>>39103414

This is the direction I was really hoping Pokemon would go graphics-wise. Instead it just became some shitty 3D abomination.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 10:53:56 No.39104088 Report

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>>39103414
>>39103460
God damn this looks so comfy. I feel like taking this game, putting it on a handheld and just curling up on a couch and playing it on a rainy weekend afternoon.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 10:58:43 No.39104109 Report

Quoted By: >>39107375 >>39109912

>>39103568
Nothing is more immersion breaking than shoddy polygons hopping around in barely animated in shit-stain Conker's Bad Fur Day environments.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 11:00:19 No.39104118 Report

Quoted By: >>39104155

>>39103414
At some point you havbe to up the graphics if you want to stay relevant. So if they kept it 2D it would have at least lost the pixel art style.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 11:03:19 No.39104134 Report

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Yeah 3d was a huge mistake and they arent up to the ask.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 11:05:59 No.39104148 Report

Quoted By: >>39105156

>>39103568
Honestly I’d prefer if they went both directions each gen. Team A doing 3D and Team B doing 2D two games and two regions. Then the sequel games are the games “flipped” so the 3D region “becomes” a fully sprited region and the 2D goes 3D. In reality they were developed side by side but there’d be charm to seeing them each way.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 11:07:00 No.39104152 Report

Quoted By: >>39105006

>>39103414
the 2D games were only better because you weren’t bitter and jaded and the shitty hardware we had also moderated our expectations

it’s still objectively inferior to 3D in every way, and in fact almost all of the problems with the modern 3D gens stems from their still being shitty old 2D games at heart with all of the same defects and none of the actual improvements that typically come with transitions to 3D graphics

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 11:07:46 No.39104155 Report

Quoted By: >>39107516

>>39104118
It's fucking Pokemon; they could release a pair of games that could run on the TI-84 and people will eat it up.
Pixel art especially is all the rage with nostalgia-driven normalfags these days.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:01:08 No.39104749 Report

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>>39103414
I unironically agree. The 3d was a big fucking mistake and it sadly will never go away now.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:14:26 No.39104821 Report

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>>39103414
The map should be much bigger.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:18:05 No.39104847 Report

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What about a 2D overworld and a 3D battle screen?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:23:37 No.39104878 Report

Quoted By: >>39109991

>>39103414
You do understand that returning to 2d won't magically make the games good again, right?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:28:53 No.39104914 Report

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>>39103414
A lot of games should stay in 2D.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:33:16 No.39104937 Report

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>that 2d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmyiPVOih8g
This is what Pokemon should be

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:36:49 No.39104953 Report

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>>39103414
As long as it's like 4 and not the hideous Gen 5

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:37:14 No.39104954 Report

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>>39103414
2.5D overworld, 3D battles by a company that can actually make good models and dynamic animations.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:46:53 No.39104986 Report

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>>39103568
Honestly, if GameFreak did a good job with the 3D games, nobody would be missing the 2D times at all. Will my great-grandkids ever get to see something like pic related, /vp/?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:51:47 No.39105006 Report

Quoted By: >>39105025

>>39104152
Totally agree. We thought that with the 3D change we would finally get bigger regions, with actual routes and towns, kind of what we got in X and Y from Santalune to Cyllage but in the whole game. We're still getting pocket sized areas that could look proportional on a 2D game, but ridiculous on 3D.

With the reveal of the Wild Area, I thought we were taking a step into the right direction. If only Masuda didn't say anything at the end of that interview...

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:52:51 No.39105011 Report

Quoted By: >>39105073 >>39107317

Almost everyone who says "X should stay 2D" about any game has no idea what the fuck they're talking about. There's a reason even fighters, the single most suited to 2D genre, have dropped it too and that most 2D games have heavy asset reuse

Actual good 2D in the HD era is extremely difficult and costly because producing good looking, interactive 2D elements means either using scalable assets (which define visual style like Skullgirls). A sprite based game that actually uses full HD would be awe inspiring but such an insane undertaking that it's not even worth considering. We're at the point where even Arc System Works, who were known for their sprite based fighters, has turned Guilty Gear into a cel shaded 3D animated game.

It's all well and good to say that Pokemon should look like OP pic, but go ahead and try selling that as a AAA game on the Switch and get back to me.

in b4 funny tree image

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:55:43 No.39105025 Report

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>>39105006
>We're still getting pocket sized areas that could look proportional on a 2D game, but ridiculous on 3D.
Blame the 3DS. There's a reason the thing has almost no open world games. It has very little RAM (something that is vital for open world game design) and even if it did have more, it's simply not powerful enough to do it with good visuals too.

Pokemon, like literally everything on 3DS, was always going to be designed around specific rooms connected by loading zones.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:55:44 No.39105026 Report

Quoted By: >>39105047 >>39107920

>>39104986
This. 3D is nice, but it's painfully clear it's not something GF excels at.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 13:59:35 No.39105047 Report

Quoted By: >>39105215

>>39105026
what does gamefreak excel at? serious question

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:01:29 No.39105054 Report

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>>39103497
It's the fans fault. People whined like bitches when Gen. V wasn't in 3D.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:06:42 No.39105073 Report

Quoted By: >>39105104

>>39105011
>It's all well and good to say that Pokemon should look like OP pic, but go ahead and try selling that as a AAA game on the Switch and get back to me.
To be fair they are selling something that looks like a N64 game as an AAA title on Switch. There's no reasonable way to defend it besides using the same old 'Pokemon games always had poor graphics haha'. At least if you use sprites you can claim it's an artistic choice.
Nobody would've cared about Octopath if not for the graphics by the way, it was a mediocre game.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:07:02 No.39105077 Report

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>>39104986
Loving the scope in this image.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:08:34 No.39105088 Report

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Gen 4's 2.5D was nice

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:11:37 No.39105104 Report

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>>39105073
Except Sword and Shield doesn't actually look like an N64 game. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you it looks flawless cause it sure as fuck doesn't. But it looks more modern and up to todays standards than OP does. So did Sun and Moon.

Octopath was all stylisation at that, and its gimmick was inherently that it had very classic sprites presented in an unorthodox visual style, so that's not a good example. You can't use that kind of presentation in a game that isn't purposefully aping the classic look.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:12:58 No.39105107 Report

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>>39104986
this hiperrealistic style would be a mess

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:15:26 No.39105122 Report

Quoted By: >>39105172 >>39107674 >>39110069

>>39104986
>nobody would be missing the 2D times at all.
Speak for yourself. If Pokemon had generic, scifi "muh realism" graphics, I would miss the old times even more.
Pokemon and "realism" don't mix. Period.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:20:45 No.39105156 Report

Quoted By: >>39105873

>>39104148
YES. Or have a sprite form of the same game like DQ11

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:21:08 No.39105158 Report

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>>39103414
"No."

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:22:27 No.39105172 Report

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>>39105122
>Pokemon and "realism" don't mix
This. Is. The. Truth.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:25:23 No.39105187 Report

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>>39103568
>higher level of immersion and detail
Talk for yourself, there used to be a time where there was just the right amount of missing details left to be filled by the player's imagination. I used to feel like I was having an adventure myself exploring the regions with my pokemon.
Now since we moved to 3D it just feels like I'm watching someone's adventure unfold before my eyes.
>inb4 you just grew up
Not true, I'm still able to get that sense of immersion and adventure with recent games.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:30:20 No.39105215 Report

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>>39105047
you know the answer why do you even ask.
its fucking nothing

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:32:23 No.39105224 Report

Quoted By: >>39105345 >>39105386 >>39105512

>>39103414
> 3D was a mistake!
> 3D games sell 16 MILLION each
> SwSh set to sell 16 MILLION too
Seething /vp/ is seething. Can't wait for November when we're all having fun, with a few dilating trannies whining about their NatDex LOL.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:40:44 No.39105290 Report

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I feel the issue isn't 3D games themselves; a game can look amazing in 3D if the artists and designers put enough time, thought, and effort into it.

My issue is that the 3D game era coincides with Gamefreak changing a lot of its game design philosophies too, while giving unsubstantiated claims that their games are bigger and better than ever. They're not hard wired into this annual release schedule, which means rushed development, which means excluding features people like and subpar graphics.

When Nintendo announced they were delaying the next Animal Crossing game so that they don't rush it and can maintain healthy work-life balance for its employees, while also making it the best game they can, they lost A BILLION DOLLARS in stocks. Imagine what would happen if Gamefreak did the same with Pokemon.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:49:04 No.39105345 Report

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>>39105224
fuck off tranny, stop sucking shitlogs out of nintendo's ass

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 14:53:13 No.39105386 Report

Quoted By: >>39105726

>>39105224
>Sales
Instead of that, what about you mention the merit of GF using 3D as opposed to 2D? For the players of course, not the company, so no "saving costs" and the likes.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 15:06:14 No.39105512 Report

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>>39105224
>DP sells 18 MILLION
Imagine coping this much. Seethe twittertranny

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 15:29:16 No.39105726 Report

Quoted By: >>39105959 >>39107329

>>39105386
More varied visual animation in battles, more options for story presentation that would simply be unfeasible with 2D.

Hell, good luck doing a concept like the Wild Area at all in an entirely 2D game.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 15:44:39 No.39105873 Report

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>>39105156
That’s what i was suggesting. Except as a sequel. With a directors cut of both games that are both regions sprited or both in 3D

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 15:53:43 No.39105959 Report

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>>39105726
>Hell, good luck doing a concept like the Wild Area at all in an entirely 2D game.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 16:00:34 No.39106021 Report

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>>39103414
>SwSh flops so Nintendo makes the next pokemon for iOS Android and Steam in Black and White's style
A man can dream

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 17:59:44 No.39107190 Report

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>>39103414
firered/leafgreen still look the best

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:03:35 No.39107235 Report

Quoted By: >>39107282

>>39103568
Everyone would prefer 3d if GF wasn't incompetent.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:08:33 No.39107282 Report

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>>39107235
wrong

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:12:51 No.39107317 Report

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>>39105011
That's more their problem than mine. Fighting games are niche, I understand if they want to move to move to 3D to save time and money. But for something like Pokemon which sells hotcakes regardless of quality? No, fuck them.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:13:49 No.39107329 Report

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>>39105726
You absolutely could though. Wild area looks like dogshit by the way. I will never understand this obsession with wide open fucking empty areas.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:16:14 No.39107348 Report

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>top right
>Trainers only use Voltorb

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:19:02 No.39107375 Report

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>>39104109
That's not a problem with the medium of 3D, it's the team utilizing it poorly

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:20:28 No.39107391 Report

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Ahh France

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:29:09 No.39107470 Report

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>awesome-looking full body animated backsprites
>zoom into them so close that all you see is pixels.
B/W were a bad art direction in general, but this was egregious. what’s worse is they kept the platforms in for X/Y. why the hell do your pokemon need to stand on platforms when your background is actually modelled? I mean, I can understand that it’s unnecessary work to make unique backgrounds for every environment in the 2D games, and quicker to make platforms, but they look really unnatural in gen 6 when you’re in a forest and you have to lay down a mat so your Pokemon doesn’t get his feet covered in mud.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:30:26 No.39107478 Report

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>>39103414
3D isn't bad, it's just that GameFreak sucks at it down to how they rig the models Creatures provides them.

They need coaching.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:30:53 No.39107486 Report

Quoted By: >>39107568

>>39103414
This is fucking beautiful
Is garnet in a playable state or nah

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:31:27 No.39107490 Report

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>>39104986
I want you to know that none of that shit would run good on the Switch.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:33:39 No.39107516 Report

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>>39104155
Would play while my stats students are doing their in class work.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:38:58 No.39107568 Report

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>>39103534
>>39107486
It's dead, Jim

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:39:25 No.39107573 Report

Quoted By: >>39107592 >>39107624 >>39110774

>>39103414
Yeah, fuck progress!!!!
Pokemon should've stayed monochromatic!!!!

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:41:11 No.39107592 Report

Quoted By: >>39107729 >>39107754 >>39107762 >>39108988

>>39107573
3D /= Progress

What do you even mean by progress?
Increase in technology? Graphics? Just fuck off nigger

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:42:36 No.39107607 Report

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>>39103568
>It lets you be able to do much more with the games and reach a higher level of immersion and detail

Indeed, when done right
GF never did it right tho. Cities, routes...etc keep being very small scaled despite being 3D, which make the regions feel incredibly small (much smaller than when it was in abstract 2D that at least allowed you to fix up things with your imagination).

Now I don't think that "straying 2D" is the actual answer to this issue.
Giving the franchise to a more competent studio that can make actual 3D games is the real solution.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:44:27 No.39107624 Report

Quoted By: >>39107634

>>39107573
>implying that sprite wasn't Mewtwo's best look

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:45:47 No.39107634 Report

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>>39107624
>Mewtwo
>Was ever good
Lol

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:49:07 No.39107674 Report

Quoted By: >>39107733

>>39105122
It would mix if the kept with the pokemons being just animals with bigger ears or scales, instead of big heads and kawaii eyes with small limps

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:51:53 No.39107702 Report

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>>39103460
why do fanmade backgrounds always look so flat

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:55:03 No.39107729 Report

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>>39107592

Not him but while sprites have a lower learning curve to make, they have to scale with resolution so it would be pointless to make sprites and err more on illustrations. From a technical standpoint and a practical one, 3D models can be recycled for posterity if the model is scalable and the model can still be amended for either polygonal economy (so things run smoother) or a design change is to be employed (cosplay Pikachu for example)

Sprites aren't recycled, they're redrawn from the ground up and moreso to the point that's 1000 or so monsters to redraw.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:55:26 No.39107733 Report

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>>39107674
You are persistent at least. Can't even count how many times you've been blown out.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:56:33 No.39107737 Report

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SMALL INDIE COMPANY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V0X31Ncwcg

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:57:53 No.39107754 Report

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>>39107592
You can do more 3D models, retard.

3D = dynamic camera, proper scaling, easier customization, easier full 360° movement, easier to animate walking and riding pokemon for the overworld, easier to have things like trainers in the battle, easier to have features like pokemon amie.

suggesting that going backwards into 2D would be better is fucking retarded. You're just going to end up with the same low effort shit but with 2D graphics and even less meaningful gameplay changes.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 18:58:56 No.39107762 Report

Quoted By: >>39107855

>>39107592
You can do more with 3D models, retard.

3D = dynamic camera, proper scaling, easier customization, easier full 360° movement, easier to animate walking and riding pokemon for the overworld, easier to have things like trainers in the battle, easier to have features like pokemon amie.

suggesting that going backwards into 2D would be better is fucking retarded. You're just going to end up with the same low effort shit but with 2D graphics and even less meaningful gameplay changes.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 19:03:26 No.39107802 Report

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>>39104986
absolutely soulless, they should rely on HD cartoonish style like Dragon Quest 11 or Yo-Kai Watch 4

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 19:09:42 No.39107855 Report

Quoted By: >>39107863 >>39107888

>>39107762
Not that poster but 2D is fine for jrpgs. I'd even go so far as to say that it's better for gamefreak as a whole, all things considered. When they finally managed to figure out how to make an acceptable 2D game in gen5, they swapped to 3D and set themselves back to mud huts and wooden spears. Name one game company that's less adaptable than gamefreak.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 19:10:43 No.39107863 Report

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>>39107855
>When they finally managed to figure out how to make an acceptable 2D game in gen5

Gen 5 pixelated sprites were horrendous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 19:12:58 No.39107888 Report

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>>39107855
>Not that poster but 2D is fine for jrpgs.
For ones that are trying to stick to classic gameplay, maybe. For something like Pokemon where they need to keep improving the gameplay and making the original idea more realistic over time, it absolutely isn't.

Game Freak being ""lazy"" has nothing to do with 3D, it has everything to do with them realizing they can get more money for less effort.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 19:15:39 No.39107920 Report

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>>39105026
Disappointing fans

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 19:17:53 No.39107939 Report

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>>39107737
>A multiplatform game originally for phones likely showcased on a higher spec platform, built on a hybrid Gen 6/7 engine.

Still, that doesn't contradict that GameFreak's way of compiling data sucks donkey cock.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 20:57:49 No.39108988 Report

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>>39107592

They mean that games need to become endlessly more and more complex and 'realistic' without actually improving how fun or interesting they are.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:00:39 No.39109037 Report

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>>39103568
>i have no creativity

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:09:19 No.39109136 Report

Quoted By: >>39109374

>>39103414
I was thinking about this the other day. Imagine what Pokemon would look like now if they kept the BW style and improved on it.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:20:09 No.39109250 Report

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>>39104986
This reminds me of Viscera Cleanup.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:22:15 No.39109265 Report

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>>39104986
NINTENDO

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:27:08 No.39109315 Report

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>>39107568
So what, they realized Gamefreak was shit and lost hope in the series instead of trying to make their dream game, and then they all lost interest because they spent too much time focusing on shitty fakemons instead of the beautiful spritework that was their only claim to fame?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:29:57 No.39109340 Report

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>>39103414
This looks awful

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:33:16 No.39109374 Report

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>>39109136
Why did they switch to 3D? Nobody likes it any more than they did with the 2D, and they definitely aren't getting more sales from it being 3D since RBG and DP are still the highest selling games in the series. I can't even see it being cheaper or easier to make than the 2D games due to all the extra "animations" and models they have to make. I'd even say that they were more passionate about the series back when it was 2D, but that's a bit of a stretch.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:34:28 No.39109390 Report

Quoted By: >>39109777

No.

it just needs better animation designers
pokemon moving to 3d is the best thing ever but gamefreak is so incompetent they managed to fuck it up, its the next logical step for the series.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 21:58:47 No.39109639 Report

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>>39103414
NINTENDO

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:02:25 No.39109674 Report

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>>39104847
thats what leaks claimed BW was going to be

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:11:38 No.39109777 Report

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>>39109390
LMFAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:14:58 No.39109827 Report

Quoted By: >>39110630

>>39103479
Realign your priorities

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:15:00 No.39109828 Report

Quoted By: >>39109832 >>39109840 >>39110378 >>39110591

I actually started to make a map based on the top left image there. Was for a certain notable fangame, unfortunately didn't get used.

I had 2 main design goals here:

- Firstly, I wanted to avoid the issue of water routes always suffering because either there's nothing but water and it's bland, or there's a ton of tiny land areas and you are constantly getting on and off of, which leads to annoying mashing the A button to speed through surf prompts. It's annoying, and never feels natural. I wanted to avoif this by making sure that each island on the route is large enough that you will spend a decent (3-5 minutes) amount of time on them, have time to hear the route theme and not just the surf theme, will battle mons in the tall grass, look for items, etc; before embarking again.

- Secondly, I wanted to make sure that no matter what part of the map you were on you would ALWAYS see some sort of visual landmark. If you count the tiles there's not a single spot on land where if you stand on it, you can't see the water; and there's not a single spot in water where you can't see land. Some spots you might only see a teensy edge, but still enough to be a visual landmark of sorts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:15:38 No.39109832 Report

Quoted By: >>39109931

>>39109828
Make it yourself.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:16:03 No.39109840 Report

Quoted By: >>39110837

>>39109828
and a view from a bit I mapped out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:18:48 No.39109876 Report

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>>39109374
it's way cheaper. Like, ridiculously so. The margins aren't even comparable. The investment of effort is so much lower once you have the models done. That's why they just keep reusing them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:21:48 No.39109912 Report

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>>39104109
Yeah, ugly pixel art is way more realistic

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:23:02 No.39109930 Report

Quoted By: >>39110061 >>39111136

>>39103419
As much as I prefer straight 2D, 2.5D allows better gameplay and exploration so it's the ideal.

Though it needs to remain as in Gen 4 with a few changes to how the map works. Gen 5 was terrible.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:23:05 No.39109931 Report

Quoted By: >>39109941

>>39109832
I did, that's what I posted?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:23:20 No.39109937 Report

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>>39109037
It has nothing to do with creativity. It's a fact that 3D lets you do more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:23:56 No.39109941 Report

Quoted By: >>39110038

>>39109931
I mean, why don't you make it into something functional?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:26:55 No.39109991 Report

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>>39104878
Considering one of the major problems affecting exploration is the scale of the region, it would certainly go a long way towards making it so without slowing down dev time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:30:28 No.39110038 Report

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>>39109941
No reason to. I'm no longer part of the development team, and it wasn't choosen anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:32:40 No.39110061 Report

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>>39109930
I noticed Gen's 4 map loops back in on itself a lot which makes backtracking and exploration a lot easier. Gen 5 was a boring clusterfuck where you just ran in a straight line 24/7 until you finally looped around the entire map.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:33:39 No.39110069 Report

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>>39105122
>I would miss the old times even more.
>Pokemon and "realism" don't mix. Period.
Only if you lack imagination.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 22:45:43 No.39110212 Report

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pokemon's 3d would be better off aping the new Link's Awakening
its a game about collecting fighting toy pets

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 23:02:00 No.39110378 Report

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>>39109828
Nice blog.
Seriously though, good read and the map looks fun to explore. Seems like you have a decent grasp of map design. Any other stuff you wanna share?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 23:22:07 No.39110591 Report

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>>39109828
>- Secondly, I wanted to make sure that no matter what part of the map you were on you would ALWAYS see some sort of visual landmark. If you count the tiles there's not a single spot on land where if you stand on it, you can't see the water; and there's not a single spot in water where you can't see land. Some spots you might only see a teensy edge, but still enough to be a visual landmark of sorts.
This part is really important in any sort of nonlinear level design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 23:24:43 No.39110630 Report

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>>39109827
Realign on what, specifically?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 23:36:31 No.39110774 Report

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>>39107573
Fuck that Mewtwo looks good. The new ones seem so bland and simply boring compared to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 23:41:20 No.39110831 Report

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>>39103568
When it's done by a competent company, yes. When done by Gamefreak it's best to have a 2d game and let out imagination fill in the gaps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 23:41:32 No.39110837 Report

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>>39109840
That looks really nice anon, good job!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Jun 2019 23:46:23 No.39110881 Report

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They should really just switch to the Octopath style

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Jun 2019 00:06:53 No.39111136 Report

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>>39109930
boring and dull

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