/vp/ - Pokémon » Thread #39611459

>>39611496
>>39611528
>OH NOES, A ONE-DIMENSIONAL POKEMON IS UNVIABLE IN UBERS, BUT DEAR GOD DONT LET IT DROP TO OU BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, CHANGE IS BAAAAAAAAAAAD IN THE SMOGON METAGAME

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:34:00 No.39611547 Report

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>>39611539
Yeah, One dimensional, like Mega Rayquaza

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:34:26 No.39611552 Report

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>>39611539
It's already been OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:34:36 No.39611553 Report

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>>39611539
Who are you quoting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:35:24 No.39611560 Report

Quoted By: >>39611590

>>39611459
Also Deoxys-S and Darkrai. Just why. Why are they superior than some things in current OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:35:41 No.39611564 Report

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>>39611539
You realize that Deoxys-D has been OU before, right? Each time it broke the game over its knee so smogon stopped caring about unbanning it and kept it in Ubers.

Oh but I doubt you actually knew that and just wanted to whine about smogon right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:39:15 No.39611590 Report

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>>39611564
Not him, but what about these two >>39611560 ? I think they suspect tested Deoxys-D and Deoxys-S ar the same time. Deoxys-D was unhealthy as fuck, but is there any reason for Deoxys-S ban other than being a really good suicide lead? And what about Darkrai? It's not that good after the Dark Void nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:39:19 No.39611591 Report

Quoted By: >>39611658

Maybe not having a National Dex in Sw/Sh is a good thing, after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:45:27 No.39611642 Report

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>>39611459
Because Smogon rarely retest Pokemon unless the OU council really likes said Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:48:03 No.39611658 Report

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>>39611591
Honestly hope they cull all the Legendary Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:48:06 No.39611659 Report

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>>39611459
we might see him at the beginning of gen 8. same with d-speed, pheramosa, genesect, aegislash, and megagross

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:48:17 No.39611661 Report

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Out of all the ubers Darkrai seems to have the best chance to not be broken

And even if it is, OU should stop being so stuck up and do a suspect test anyways. A week of running around with Darkrai in OU would be fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 19:54:22 No.39611697 Report

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>>39611590
it’s been a while, but iirc you couldn’t stop Deoxys-S because of its speed and versatility
What can even handle Darkrai in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:04:33 No.39611775 Report

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>>39611590
Nasty Plot/Dark Pulse/Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast slaps the fuck out of everything in the OU metagame. The only things faster than it without scarf are all frail as fuck and drop to a single hit, ergo can't switch in.
252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash: 348-411 (122.1 - 144.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Alakazam-Mega: 335-398 (133.4 - 158.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Sludge Bomb vs. 20 HP / 20 SpD Tapu Koko: 325-385 (113.6 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Darkrai Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lopunny-Mega: 270-320 (99.6 - 118%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
And that's just the basic NP+3 attacks. There's also Scarf, Specs, Hypnosis, 4 attack LO, Swords Dance, or Gimmicky support shit like haze, disable, or trick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:06:30 No.39611795 Report

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>>39611775
>Focus Miss
Thank god, for a second I though you were serious

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:10:49 No.39611836 Report

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>>39611795
>ITS NOT GOOD CUZ IT CAN MISS
70 accuracy is good enough, anon. I guess we should let Mega Lucario drop too, since it's main stab on special sets is Focus Miss, right? Plus, Darkrai can run any other move it feels like in slot 4, whether it be Tbolt, Psychic, Ice Beam, Knock Off, Spacial Rend, or Hypnosis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:12:36 No.39611852 Report

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>>39611590
Darkrai never needed Dark Void.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:13:02 No.39611855 Report

Quoted By: >>39611867 >>39611877 >>39611916 >>39611992

>>39611775
Why is that any different from shit like mega mawile?? Also alola muk walls it. Also when the fuck do you switch in on something after it has clicked nasty plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:14:29 No.39611867 Report

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>>39611855
Mega Mawile has piss poor speed and defenses and relies on Sucker Punch to hit faster Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:14:53 No.39611872 Report

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>>39611590
>base 135 special attack and 125 speed with a fuckhuge movepool and nasty plot isn’t broken
What the fuck can even stop it? Maybe you won’t even encounter a NP set, maybe it just lures you in and Knock Offs you, or gambles with Hypnosis, or just breaks your walls with Z-fuck you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:15:30 No.39611877 Report

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>>39611855
You would, in this instance, be trying to switch in on the nasty plot turn, but it may be able to predict it. Also, Mega Mawile is slow as balls and frail as a porcelain doll.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:21:27 No.39611916 Report

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>>39611855
What would alolan muk do back to darkrai? Try to poison it? You could try to knock off the item, but if Darkrai is running a Z-crystal it won't do shit. It's true Darkrai doesn't have much to hit it with, but it does have a few gimmicky options it could run, like Night Shade for example. Plus, if everybody has to run Alolan Muk for Darkrai, then not only is Darkrai centralizing as fuck, but the things that kill Alolan Muk, like, for instance, LANDOOOOOOO or Garchomp, would have a field day.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:23:09 No.39611929 Report

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>>39611515
>>39611521
It already exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:30:25 No.39611992 Report

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>>39611855
Alolan Muk can’t do anything to it in return, though. It can’t threaten it and if it’s not running Assault Vest it just dies to Z-Focus Blast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:33:59 No.39612014 Report

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>>39611929
needs the trucker hat to be perfect

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:48:52 No.39612118 Report

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>>39611539
Unviable in Ubers =/= should be OU
That's even one of the key points of OU tiering

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 20:51:02 No.39612134 Report

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>>39611590
Deo-S and Deo-D are just perfect leads in general, they don't seem too strong on paper but in practice the guaranteed hazards just enable HO builds too well.
Darkrai isn't good /in Ubers/ anymore but in OU its stats, coverage, access to Nasty Plot, etc. leaves really limited counterplay.
Darkrai @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Sludge Bomb
- Focus Blast
- Nasty Plot
Look at the things that are used in current OU and ask yourself what takes a +2 hit from this set. Pretty much the only halfway decent answer is AV Magearna (takes ~50-60% from +2 All-Out Pummeling), but that set is really easy to wear down and put into kill range for a number of reasons. You could run it with Knock Off Alakazam to remove the AV, Spikes to wear it down quickly, pretty much any special attacker that AV Mag builds also need it to beat, hell you can even run Firium Incinerate so you kill it at 80% instead of 50%. Point is, it has one decent switch-in and getting around it isn't hard. Stall can probably find some niche counter to it, but your average team has to either run Magearna, pivot around until you hopefully get Koko/Lopunny/Zam in safely, or try to revenge kill it. Also keep in mind that this is just *one* possible set, that it has 125 Spe (contrast with other hard-to-counter wallbreakers like Hoopa, Kyurem, even Kartana), and that it's not a Mega nor does it need Battle Bond to get those stats. It's too strong for OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:16:06 No.39612326 Report

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>>39611992
Lol two of any stab poison move ko’s darkrai. It’s pretty frail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:38:43 No.39612477 Report

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>>39612326
>36 Atk Muk-Alola Poison Jab vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Darkrai: 102-121 (36.1 - 42.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
This is with Assault Vest which is its only hope of actually surviving Darkrai. Try again retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:42:09 No.39612509 Report

Quoted By: >>39612519 >>39612525 >>39612550

>>39612477
>not factoring in poison status
ok retard, stay low elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:43:49 No.39612519 Report

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>>39612509
ok if we gotta factor in poisoning then maybe it's not such a good idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:44:52 No.39612525 Report

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>>39612509
It doesn’t matter because it dies anyway. Great “counter”. This isn’t even taking into account other sets or hazards. The fact that a completely healthy AV A-Muk can’t deal with this thing most of the time says a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:46:53 No.39612536 Report

Quoted By: >>39612541

Base form Deoxys has very similar stats to Deoxys-Attack, too much for OU. Speed and Defence definitely should've been OU though. Same with Darkrai.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:47:26 No.39612541 Report

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>>39612536
>Darkrai in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:48:32 No.39612550 Report

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>>39612509
it doesn’t matter because +2 Z-Focus Blast and then +2 Focus Blast still kills Muk most of the time even without hazards and at 100% hp
it’s only a check if Darkrai hasn’t boosted

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:53:04 No.39612587 Report

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>>39612326
+2 252 SpA Darkrai All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 192+ SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 215-253 (52 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 192+ SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 136-160 (32.9 - 38.7%) -- 99.5% chance to 3HKO
That's 85-99.9% depending on rolls, if you've taken *any* chip damage you probably only get one Poison Jab. AV Muk has all the problems AV Magearna does, except it's far worse in general and barely beats Darkrai to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 21:58:12 No.39612634 Report

Quoted By: >>39612659 >>39612683 >>39612760

I don't understand why Deo-D and Deo-S are still Uber, they are good for nothing but hazards, and hazards are so much more manageable these days in a metagame with defog everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 22:02:24 No.39612659 Report

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>>39612634
Even so, they get hazards up too easily and Defog is really easy to take advantage of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 22:05:36 No.39612683 Report

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>>39612634
Deoxys-S is extremely versatile. It can be used as a Revenge Killer, suicide lead, stop your opponent from getting up hazards, dual screens, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 22:07:02 No.39612692 Report

Quoted By: >>39612718 >>39612940

I wish they had a UUbers tier. There are like 70 "Ubers" now (if you count formes separately).

UU is basically OU rejects, so UUbers can allow us to play with the Ubers rejects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 22:11:06 No.39612718 Report

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>>39612692
It's funny that Smeargle and Ditto are Uber by usage(well above 3,4%) and thus would be banned from UU Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 22:15:56 No.39612760 Report

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>>39612634
>Deo-S
>good for nothing but hazards
180 Speed plus Nasty plot off 95 SpA can definitely hurt. There's Hazard stack, Nasty Plot, Specs, Z-Psycho Boost, Dual Screens+Taunt, and if you want to get super gimmicky, Banded, Skill Swap, Torment, Sash+CounterCoat, Trick, and Night Shade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 22:17:58 No.39612780 Report

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>>39611459
Because despite being shitty by Uber standards, it's too good for OU.
Deoxys is like that kid who's really smart, so he's transferred to a special school for geniuses, but everyone at that school is smarter than he is, so it makes him feel like a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Aug 2019 22:35:38 No.39612940 Report

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>>39612692
Mewtwo X
Skymin
Darkrai
Megagross
Megamom
Palkia
Dawn Wings
Dialga
Zekrom
Genesect
LANDOOOOOO-Incarnate
Blaziken-base
Mewtwo-base
Solgaleo
Groudon-Base
Deo-D
Reshiram
Deo-N
Arceus Dark, Flying, Steel, Ghost, Poison, Rock, Ice, Bug, Psychic, Dragon, Electric, Grass, Fire, Fighting
These are the mons who would be allowed in UUbers that are banned from OU.
Additionally, Dugtrio and Gothitelle are both allowed in UUbers, so trapping would exist here.
5 pokemon allowed in OU would be banned, those being Magearna, Ferrothorn, Diancie-Mega, Smeargle, and Ditto.

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