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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:28:46 No.39647246 View View Reply Original Report

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Make every Masuda cocksucker read this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:30:34 No.39647259 Report

Quoted By: >>39649314 >>39649320 >>39649477

tl;dr kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:31:14 No.39647265 Report

Quoted By: >>39647307 >>39647846 >>39651192 >>39652518 >>39653118

>>39647246
lmao who cares? You'll buy it anyway fag.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:32:50 No.39647276 Report

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>>39647246
Thanks you Proud of Your Power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:35:22 No.39647296 Report

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>>39647246
>durf it guy who say he from japan so that mean his opinion is worth more!

I fucking hate weebs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:36:17 No.39647307 Report

Quoted By: >>39647323 >>39651765

>>39647265
I don't have a Switch and even if I did I wouldn't buy this trash. Keep seething

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:37:13 No.39647321 Report

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>>39647296
literally no one said that but keep strawmaning, masuda is proud of you and you'll be worth his cum if you keep the hard work

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:37:43 No.39647323 Report

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>>39647307
>"Keep seething"
>while she seethes online herself

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:43:20 No.39647357 Report

Quoted By: >>39651234 >>39651970

>people on pokemon board dont care about quality of next pokemon game
>shit on others who do

Eh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 06:46:20 No.39647377 Report

Quoted By: >>39648127 >>39648173 >>39648303 >>39648878 >>39652150

stopped reading at "no real reason"
there's always a reason, but when you can't be bothered to even entertain some of them, it shows you don't really care and just want a reason to whine

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 07:40:07 No.39647653 Report

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>>39647246
tldr KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 08:15:37 No.39647846 Report

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>>39647265
kys shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 09:07:31 No.39648127 Report

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>>39647377
The only reasons are ones they imposed on themselves.

No one who cares asked for a game this year so any limit imposed by the deadline is Masuda's fault for setting such a deadline when players would wait as long as it was necessary to make them content complete.

Even if that meant, say, scrapping everything and starting over. Which in this case they don't need to do but that just makes it more stupid they're not doing it.

Any other reason people come up with doesn't matter because, at worst, it needs a game in DEVELOPMENT, not full release.

We know this because they've done it (less and less which is their fault, not ours) the last 22 fucking years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 09:09:58 No.39648142 Report

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Gaysed and bedpilled

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 09:15:39 No.39648173 Report

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>>39647377
Okay bitch, what's the reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 09:38:29 No.39648303 Report

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>>39647377
They have no excuse when they actually future proofed all of the 3ds models, animations, pokemon Home coming in 2020, and of course the budget of the biggest media franchise in the world
Don't want to be forced to have 20 different pokemon in each zone? Rotate the pokemon in the wild area.
Don't want the region to be crowded with 900+ pokemon? Just make a regional dex of 200~450 pokes but let people import mons from previous games if they want

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 11:05:42 No.39648751 Report

Quoted By: >>39651282

If they weren't tired of the series, there wouldn't be a Town™.

Face it, they don't give a crap, you're an afterthought, for who they laid their B-team into, their inexperienced team who are into practice for better improvement, meaning, not the best of their overall teams. They also make most of their money on anime, mobile games and merch, which none of goes to the actual development of the main series, because the money doesn't come from the main games' profits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 11:18:26 No.39648805 Report

Quoted By: >>39648949 >>39649026 >>39649236 >>39651856 >>39652130

Thanks for this post. It's shown me that the Japanese fans who are complaining are just as short-sighted as their western counterparts.

>>39648173
Different anon, but it's very likely a time constraint. Game Freak can't simply delay the release of a new generation a few months out, as TCG, Apparel, licensing, partner projects, films, the anime, and the broader Merch empire all move around GF's schedule. Even a slight deviation in release schedule can result in a logistical nightmare and exorbitant loses for hundreds if not thousands of companies, and that tremendous weight will tie their hands very tightly the closer they get to the relevant release dates for the games. These sorts of things are likely planned and set more than a year or two in advance, especially for TCG, anime, and film.

Development difficulties, bottle-necks, building the engine/engine-troubles, or scrapping big parts of the game/concepts all are possible explanations for why they're behind. One of those could even explain why this is the particular area something is missing.

It's almost really as simple as hand-waving the problem away as carelessness. Especially for such a big franchise.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 11:31:10 No.39648878 Report

Quoted By: >>39649021

>>39647377
If they had a real reason then why haven't they told us what it is instead of coming out with multiple crappy "dog ate my homework" tier excuses?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 11:40:52 No.39648949 Report

Quoted By: >>39649078

>>39648805
if you think "time constraint" is an actual argument you have no business calling anybody short sighted ever. All the reasons you gave is not a justification for removing content, issues in development are a result of incompetency not something they should be excused for. They felt like the deadline was closing in and they woudn't make it? Still their fault for underestimating the amount of people they needed and relegating some of the little people they have to a game as irrelevant as town's syndrome. You didn't btfo the complainers, only btfo'd yourself.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 11:42:56 No.39648958 Report

Quoted By: >>39649806 >>39649863

>>39647246
I don't think that's an actual japanese person

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 11:52:46 No.39649021 Report

Quoted By: >>39649061

>>39648878
Because no sensible company shares its operational/planning/development issues with the market. They share promotional materials, elaborate on features, and in the case of GF, tell their fanbase that something they aren't going to like going to happen in order to be transparent in the most reasonable way that they could have.

The reality is that that isn't enough for most folks who believe that if there's a will there's a way, and if GF has an excuse, there's a way to dismiss it.

What they've told us so far hasn't really been unusual up until the model redo interview that had a mistranslated spread around muddling the waters. On that front, we know that models were said to have been redone, but not how many or why, so that explanation needs more context frankly. Other than that, I don't think any of the excuses have been as bad as you seem to think they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 11:53:56 No.39649026 Report

Quoted By: >>39649125

>>39648805
Delaying the games would not be that bad. All the other parts of Pokemon would just need to create filler or hold off for a while.
Its not like the Anime is a stranger to filler either when they made an entire OC league.
On top of this, they wasted so much time on LGPE and Town. And I get that GameFreak wants to do other games. But that isn’t an excuse for having such poor project management and for not hiring more people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:00:30 No.39649061 Report

Quoted By: >>39649175 >>39651243

>>39649021
If they didn’t want to share their issues, then why did they just tell very obvious lies like “We can’t transfer file types to a new console” and “making games very hard”?
Wouldn’t that set off the same or more redflags than just admitting you need help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:02:36 No.39649078 Report

Quoted By: >>39649170 >>39649535

>>39648949
You CLEARLY have no idea what you're talking about and still think that you can hand wave anything that's led to this as inexcusable simply because you haven't gotten what you wanted.

You need more context before you can confidently throw the entire thing out as incompetence and even more still before you can act like your suggestion of throwing raw man-power at the issue would have resulted in a different outcome. If it would have helped, they have the finances to have done so, and they have indeed bolstered their staff for Switch development from after the release of Sun and Moon up until as recently as this past December.

Keep being willfully ignorant and dismissive, though. Feel free to think that there are no reasons for anything that's happened. That Game Freak is dumb and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt even though we barely have a clue about the reality of the situation internally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:12:00 No.39649125 Report

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>>39649026
Delaying the games would indeed be that bad and the delays would have to be established more than a year in advance to allow other companies involved in the ecosystem to plan and spend the time and money to compensate if it were at all possible. Anime and movies are very time consuming to produce and also involve multiple companies in and of themselves.

LGPE was effectively used as a research project to explore Switch development. The broadly established design and the limited dex meant for a less intensive development, and they wouldn't have to compromise in making an introductory game for Go and non-gamer audiences.

Basically, LGPE actually sped up development of Sword and Shield which began its conceptual phase right after the release of Sun and Moon. this info was detailed in an interview right after the reveal.

Hiring more people wouldn't have necessarily solved any of this, and they HAVE been hiring people for the project. Being a multi-game studio doesn't necessarily mean that their spreading themselves thin, and we don't have the evidence necessary to say that's the case and reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:19:22 No.39649170 Report

Quoted By: >>39649270

>>39649078
>You need more context before you can confidently throw the entire thing out as incompetence and even more still before you can act like your suggestion of throwing raw man-power at the issue would have resulted in a different outcome.
At this point you're just desperate trying to find them an excuse but can't come up with anything logical so you're trying to spin the fact that there MIGHT be an actual valid reason as enough grounds to not criticize them. Even handwaving how that doesn't make logical sense let me exclude that possibility entirely. If there is a logical and reasonable excuse that they could have used to mitigate outrage they would have, the fact that they needed to resort to lying about quality animations instead of simply stating the truth is proof that this truth would put gamefreak in a bad light. Which supports the incompetence or greed theories just fine.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:20:11 No.39649175 Report

Quoted By: >>39649741 >>39651552

>>39649061
We need more information, and people will pick this all apart when the games are out. The thing is that we can't be sure about that being a lie. Both lying and admitting you need help to the public as opposed to bringing in resources from partners and hiring are both bad, and there's no definitive evidence of either.

The model thing does seem like a clear lie if you assume that they mean to say they've remade every model, which was determined to be a bit of mistranslation as no specifics have been outlined on the amount redone. Even with the benefit of the doubt on the table, it is definitely something questionable enough to hold to them, which will be done as we see more and people mine the game This is the one point that could reasonably stick amongst the many that have been selectively picked apart.

And the "making games is hard" thing as well as the Switch development being harder than expected aren't particularly notable as far as I'm concerned unless they're being used to add flavor as anecdotal, surface level reinforcements for arguments of incompetence.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:27:19 No.39649236 Report

Quoted By: >>39649319 >>39649337

>>39648805
It's not about delays. It's about why it happened in the first place. When they were PLANNING the schedule, they shouldn't have chose 2019. They aren't newbies. They know their resources. And they own 1/3 of TPC so don't even attempt to say so bullshit a about upstairs orders.

Or here is a revolutionary idea: HIRE MORE PEOPLE. They are swimming in money yet still using 153 employees for TWO games. Even without the dex issue, that's insane.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:31:24 No.39649270 Report

Quoted By: >>39649298 >>39649385

>>39649170
Everything you've just said is completely backwards. You've yet to effectively substantiate any criticisms in a way that'd make your theories reasonable. Saying that there's no excuse as a definitive statement is utter ignorance and acting as though questionable front facing statements are enough to substantiate that or even leap towards conclusions of greed and willful incompetence shows how little of a standard you have for what evidence is necessary to hold such a broadly dismissive perspective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:35:57 No.39649298 Report

Quoted By: >>39649360

>>39649270
Why did they lie then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:39:10 No.39649314 Report

Quoted By: >>39649320

>>39647259
Get out, underage

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:40:29 No.39649319 Report

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>>39649236
This is the pinnacle of cringe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:40:41 No.39649320 Report

Quoted By: >>39649477

TL;DR

>>39647259
Chad
>>39649314
Virgin

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:40:52 No.39649322 Report

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>>39647246
GameFreak doesn't model Pokemon. Creatures inc. does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:43:52 No.39649337 Report

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>>39649236
>>39649236
They've moved to a new system with unfamiliar architecture and did spend more time than is typical developing this game from the release of the original Sun and Moon.

They've been hiring staff since the start of development up to at least December of last year and have had access to external resources theough Creatures Inc. and Nintendo's own engineers and documentation. It's not as clear cut and simple as just hiring more people. Some problems are on a critical path and can't be fast tracked or resolved by throwing raw man power at them. Some problems are conceptual and might make a significant amount of assets and systems a wash.

This isn't a manufacturing plant, it's a game development studio doing creative work within the scheduling constraints of the very large, very complex ship that is the Pokemon product empire as a whole. They have their say and part in matters, but that sway alone isn't a great excuse to uoset the plans and profits of hundreds if not thousands of companies that are partnered and work with the license.

Whatever difficulties resulted in this situation, the compromise they ended up making was the dex, and the reality is that whether or not we ever get the full story detailed, things definitely aren't as simple as so many of us want to make them out to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:47:17 No.39649360 Report

Quoted By: >>39654043

>>39649298
We'll find out when the games release and the code/architecture is picked apart if they did legitimately lie. The reality is that we aren't definitively sure if they have and we need elaboration. The statement on reusing models is the strongest reason to be suspicious of them amongst any and all of the things they've said. That's the one I want to understand and get good info on myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 12:52:04 No.39649385 Report

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>>39649270
>Saying that there's no excuse as a definitive statement is utter ignorance and acting as though questionable front facing statements are enough to substantiate that
How so? What you're saying here is that I can't dismiss there might be a valid excuse because I can't prove there isn't. I might not have absolute evidence but rationally speaking there was the perfect instance to provide such a reason but they failed to do so, suggesting it doesn't exist. Circumstantial, but it holds logical ground, which is more than saying all circumstantial evidence should be ignored because definitive proof hasn't been given.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:02:36 No.39649477 Report

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>>39647259
>>39649320
samefag lul

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:11:24 No.39649535 Report

Quoted By: >>39649572 >>39649714

>>39649078
>You need more context before you can confidently throw the entire thing out as incompetence and even more still before you can act like your suggestion of throwing raw man-power at the issue would have resulted in a different outcome.
Tell us how having more employees wouldn’t help bring the remaining Pokemon to SWSH.
Not a “B-but you don’t know what you are talking about” or “I’m sure GameFreak has a good reason”
Actually explain why having more people wouldn’t make the game better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:16:48 No.39649572 Report

Quoted By: >>39649629

>>39649535
Too many cooks in the kitchen. Quality over quantity is the apparent goal. Your neckbeard is showing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:23:15 No.39649629 Report

Quoted By: >>39649728

>>39649572
It's an asset issue. Which can literally be solved by hiring more people, or outsourcing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:32:45 No.39649711 Report

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>>39647246
Cool, then they can hurt them where it really hurts and buy Yokai Watch or Digimon games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:33:05 No.39649714 Report

Quoted By: >>39652225

>>39649535
Let's assume that the Pokemon need to be simply modeled and animated. There's a reference guide for properly animating them. Bringing in a large number of animators for a short term project involves a large number of them failing to effectively model or animate them in a manner that causes bugs or visual glitches. These are caught by QA at an exponential rate and have to be iterated on, which decreases the efficiency of the hypothetical new staff alone. Now QA is detailing these errors, which have to be iterated on by the faster, seasoned staff who can resolve the issue in fewer passes, which diminishes the production rate of new assets even more. QA also tests for other aspects of the build, but the number of new visual issues logged slows their output so system issues are now caught later on, moving back start time in iteration from engineering. A broad increase in engineers to somehow get the engine up faster causes a massive web of builds and iterations that need to be comprehensively cross checked, integrate, and re-run through QA again, increasing test time and likelihood of bugs. The time spent grows exponentially, as due the bugs that ship with the game.

Similar things occur in balance, move pool adjustment, creation of world assets, which now look exceptionally lopsided and aren't cohesive and need to undergo multiple passes in order to avoid leaving team members idle or overburdening particular staff.

Back at Engineering, a very promising, but bloated engine is currently in rotation that aleviates most issues, but QA has found that some sort of change has caused geometry at a certain angle relationship to undergo some sort of backface culling glitch that results in the interior of the model to show. Engineers can't track this and resolve it without rebuilding the engine due to the complexity and disorganized code base. They decide that it'd be best to work around it through the assets. This is just as difficult due to.. (etc, we go on and on)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:33:09 No.39649715 Report

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obsessive behaviour anon

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:34:37 No.39649728 Report

Quoted By: >>39649769

>>39649629
Not just an asset issue. Integration with the engine, stat changes, move pool adjustments, and tons of testing.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:35:58 No.39649741 Report

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>>39649175
>We need more information, and people will pick this all apart when the games are out.
No we don’t. We already know that they can just reformat the old files to be compatible with the switch.
And plus, if they were going to recreate the models, then why are the models a 1:1 the same, with the same textures and poses too?
Do you know how hard it is to make identical models without copy and pasting?
And what about their statements about how this change was going to affect the future of the franchise (as in future gens will not have every Pokemon compatible)?
If they just needed to recreate the models, why would it affect all future titles, and not just one or two titles?
It seems pretty impractical to recreate the models 1:1 with 3DS games, and to not use those 3D models in the following games.
And if this is the truth, then it doesn’t look good at all on GameFreak’s part, highlighting how incompetent they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:39:08 No.39649769 Report

Quoted By: >>39649792 >>39650028

>>39649728
And yet they never had a problem with that in SM or USUM.
But suddenly they have a problem now and said problem will be in ALL FUTURE titles as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:42:41 No.39649792 Report

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>>39649769
It seems more like this was something that was bound to happen eventually and difficulties ended up making this the first time. There not being a full dex moving forward is probably now an active choice because it'll eventually happen due to bloat and waiting until it's near unavoidable seems like an unreasonable decision.

Your mileage may vary on how well the idea of it sits with you.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:43:53 No.39649802 Report

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DIDNT READ
DONT CARE
STILL
BUYING

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:44:06 No.39649806 Report

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>>39648958
it's definitely not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:49:40 No.39649848 Report

Quoted By: >>39652163

>>39648127
It's TPCI's fault for having the anime run year round to advertise the games. Ash can only stay in one region for so long before the writers exhaust story opportunities. It also drives down merchandise sales when there are no games to advertise the toys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 13:51:07 No.39649863 Report

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>>39648958
A fuckload of jap accounts tweeting Bring Back National Dex have american-default followers at the bottom of their follower list and what not.

Some of the BringBackDex fellas are fucking insane and think that pretending to be japanese somehow makes their posts matter more to Masuda or some shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 14:07:33 No.39649989 Report

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>>39647246
I don't understand how someone can read this and still be happy about how swishy swoosh turned out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 14:11:59 No.39650028 Report

Quoted By: >>39651123

>>39649769
Didn't those games have relevant issues? Didn't Gen 7 not have National dex at launch or maybe even still?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:03:58 No.39651095 Report

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>>39647653
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:06:57 No.39651123 Report

Quoted By: >>39651210

>>39650028
They Pokemon were still in the code and the problem was with Bank, which everyone understood.
Problem now is that we will never get a complete Pokedex with all the Pokemon again

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:08:36 No.39651137 Report

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>>39647246
>Implying Masuda cocksuckers know how to read
If they did they wouldn't be sucking Masuda's cock, now, would they?

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:12:56 No.39651192 Report

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>>39647265
>Y-you'll buy it anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:14:39 No.39651210 Report

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>>39651123
You summed it up very well. Please copy paste that everywhere so I don't have to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:16:35 No.39651234 Report

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>>39647357
sub-humans, anon, sub-humans...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:16:59 No.39651243 Report

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>>39649061
>we can't transfer file types
Did they actually say this? I thought this was made up by some Reddit fag trying to defend GF, as well as confusion from Google translate being bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:20:06 No.39651282 Report

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>>39648751
>on anime
The anime is the least profitable part of Pokemon according to a graph I've seen, being even lower than the manga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:33:09 No.39651398 Report

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>People defend Game Freak in this thread
Joe and the game freak ass-lickers have literally lost their minds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 16:47:32 No.39651552 Report

Quoted By: >>39651937

>>39649175
I agree with you in the sense that it would be nice to have more information. But u don't really think its fair to judge those who are upset for what we've seen so far.

People who are passionate about a product are justified in being annoyed if it seems that product is being mishandled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:16:49 No.39651765 Report

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>>39647307
Must be such a punch in Gamefreak guts to think someone who wouldn't buy the game anyways regardless of anything would also not buy it in the hypothetical reality where they could afford buying a Switch. They are definitely going to rethink their priorities after your reply, anon, I can hear the gears moving already thanks to your poor ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:25:44 No.39651856 Report

Quoted By: >>39651868

>>39648805
if you hire the smallest team you can and spend a budget that makes indie games look AAA you have no right to bitch about time
gamefreak hasn't shown the slightest intention to make a big game, they knew what they were aiming for because they're confident that no matter how shit it is it will sell like the yearly FIFA and EA games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:27:41 No.39651868 Report

Quoted By: >>39651928

>>39651856
Sun and Moon had over 500 staff members, Sword Shield will likely have even more. Objectively these games employe more people working on them than Super Mario Odyssey had.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:33:57 No.39651928 Report

Quoted By: >>39651951 >>39653032 >>39653747

>>39651868
half of gamefreak is working on town tho
were these 500 devs high school students? I can't believe that no one in 500 people knew better than copy pasting character models in each location where they show up and make the game engine decrypt everything 100 times per frame

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:34:58 No.39651937 Report

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>>39651552
I absolutely think it's fair that people are upset. I just think they should be smart and reasonable about it is all. Where Game Freak fails, they fail. Where a fan draws the line is their business. I just don't like that it's come to outrage farming, dismissive statements, and misinformation.

The notable thing to really dig into is the model statement, which could very much be a lie. How they got to this point and the fact that it has happened are worth talking about, but the cull deserves displeasure, not blind mud-flinging and poorly supported outrage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:36:33 No.39651951 Report

Quoted By: >>39651989

>>39651928
That just indicates that it isn't as simple as you think it is and that throwing man-power at the problem isn't necessarily the solution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:36:50 No.39651953 Report

Quoted By: >>39652030

https://youtu.be/hZlt3G-t1Tg

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:38:38 No.39651970 Report

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>>39647357
Welcome to fanboyism. Also the board is filled with braindead casuals who always come in every leak season.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:41:37 No.39651989 Report

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>>39651951
if they're struggling to deliver the bare minimum quality despite having more devs than better games they must be clearly going cheap with their devs and handling their priorities horribly, not willing to pay a single talented person

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:42:01 No.39651994 Report

Quoted By: >>39652017 >>39652045

>>39647246
>the switch could definitely handle 1000+ pokemon models
this is someone who doesn't understand why they cut them in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:45:34 No.39652017 Report

Quoted By: >>39652334

>>39651994
he's saying that because a lot of shills were using that as an argument claiming that 1000 pokemon can't fit a cartridge

Incineroar !iEc5BRsg8.

Incineroar !iEc5BRsg8. Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:45:43 No.39652020 Report

Quoted By: >>39652040

>>39647246
when people stop bitching about this stupid cut and start playing the games? literally you are minority of the fanbase, just because you feel like big in numbers doesn't mean you are

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:46:26 No.39652027 Report

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>>39647246
>popular and creative things like mega evolution
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:46:32 No.39652030 Report

Quoted By:

>>39651953
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:47:59 No.39652040 Report

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>>39652020
>national dex is the only problem
that was just the drop that spilled the grass, get informed before talking shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:48:19 No.39652045 Report

Quoted By: >>39652057 >>39652321 >>39652638

>>39651994
Why did they cut them then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:48:45 No.39652049 Report

Quoted By:

>>39647246
It's some white guy pretending to be Japanese.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:50:10 No.39652057 Report

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>>39652045
copypasting would cost money and effort
gamefrEAk just wants to milk pokemon with indie game budget

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 17:59:59 No.39652130 Report

Quoted By: >>39652161 >>39652170

>>39648805
time constraint solvable by adding more manpower.

for the revenue the mainline pokemon games make their budget is 1/10th the size it should be by even the most barnburner of industry standards.

if they don't want new employees at gf, or even temps, then do like they did in XY and outsource all the modelling to Creatures Inc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:02:22 No.39652150 Report

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>>39647377
every reason they've given has been a lie. their own trailers have contradicted their excuses.
the real reason is that they're lazy, and they know pikachu and charizard are enough to make retards buy it anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:03:10 No.39652161 Report

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>>39652130
Games aren't an industry where "more manpower" is the solution to every problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:03:30 No.39652163 Report

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>>39649848
what "story opportunities" have they exhausted? they do the same story every fucking season: ash loses in the league.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:03:57 No.39652170 Report

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>>39652130
Game Fraek doesn't model the Pokemon to begin with. Creatures Inc. and another company model and rig based on model sheets, vis-dev reference, and whatever other material is provided.

Game Freak leverages an exceptional amount of manpower both internally, through partners/outsourcing, and contractors. They've been hiring since the start of Sword and Shield's development began after wrapping up sun and Moon up to as recently as this past December.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:11:20 No.39652225 Report

Quoted By: >>39652267

>>39649714
>talking out of my ass-The post

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:16:15 No.39652267 Report

Quoted By: >>39652336 >>39652354

>>39652225
Elaborate, please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:19:50 No.39652295 Report

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>he's against harming and harassing the developers.
I guess he's different from the usual vp poster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:22:05 No.39652321 Report

Quoted By: >>39653830

>>39652045
takes too much production time considering the amount they have at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:23:08 No.39652334 Report

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>>39652017
It doesn't matter if some stupid ass shills were saying it. They are both wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:23:12 No.39652336 Report

Quoted By: >>39652544 >>39652711 >>39653004 >>39653587

>>39652267
This was all baseless conjecture and you are being called out on it. You literally base your entire premise on A happening so then B will happen which will make C happen. That’s all bullshit because we don’t know that A would even happen in the first place. Your premise isn’t factual, it’s just useless conjecture based upon an opinion of what a problem “could” be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:25:51 No.39652354 Report

Quoted By: >>39652544 >>39653004

>>39652267
And you make the assumption that all “hires” are evidently not good at their job which would be another shitty problem cause by Gamefreak because they would be the dumbasses who hired incompetent staff

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:44:02 No.39652518 Report

Quoted By:

>>39647265
No, won't by it till I get it from a kid at a yard sale trying to dump it for 5 dollars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:46:17 No.39652544 Report

Quoted By:

>>39652354
>>39652336

The irony is perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 18:54:19 No.39652638 Report

Quoted By: >>39653830

>>39652045
My best guess is that they determined a set number to include in the game in order to make encounters somewhat balanced, and left out pokemon that will be featured in next years game (similar to how gen 3 pokemon weren’t entirely available in XY, due to oras coming out the following year). I don’t have anything to base it on currently, but I’m hoping, at least, that compatibility for all pokemon will be made for SwSh eventually

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:01:42 No.39652711 Report

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>>39652336

Leaving aside that the primary point of the post was to provide a hypothetical to illustrate an example of "why having more people wouldn't make the game better", seeing someone bait themselves into calling out how feeble their own BS is really is a great bonus.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:23:27 No.39652946 Report

Quoted By: >>39652988

[Laughs]

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:25:56 No.39652988 Report

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>>39652946
Plans change, that'll be $59.99

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:27:29 No.39653004 Report

Quoted By:

>>39652354
>>39652336
that's the truth of the matter really.
I've seen a lot of them, and when they boil down to brass tacks, there's no excuse to be given that doesn't also paint either gamefreak or TPC at large (or both) as grossly incompetent, or complacent and unconcerned with the quality of SWSH.

either TPC wouldn't spend the resources on doing things right despite having plenty, thereby shortchanging gamefreak because "they'll buy anyways" or "mobile is the future, by which we mean lootboxes are the future".

Or gamefreak wouldn't, cannibalizing the performance of SWSH to create a cushion in case TPC scraps them for Master and GO, again banking on either "they'll buy anyways" or "the mainline is dead anyways, why waste money trying to save it when mobile is the future"

Or gamefreak WAS given the resources needed, and squandered them, either due to technical incompotence, managerial incompotence, or outright fraud Odd Gentlemen-style, that money going into Town.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:29:40 No.39653032 Report

Quoted By: >>39653090

>>39651928
"Half of Gamefreak" is definitely not working on Town, you will fail to prove that, and it is very unlikely that a eshop only title has more staff than Pokemon.

Furthermore, better dataminers have already debunked your retarded "decrypt everything" meme that you picked up from the side of your fucking ignorance while browing twitter outrage memes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:34:41 No.39653090 Report

Quoted By: >>39653130

>>39653032
but not the map duplicates. that ones real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:37:30 No.39653118 Report

Quoted By: >>39653599 >>39653636 >>39656336

>>39647265
>Tfw I'm literally planning on STEALING it, not even pirating it to actually generate a loss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 19:38:25 No.39653130 Report

Quoted By: >>39656301

>>39653090
That one is real and also accounted for. mScires's buddy pointed out that while your average 3DS cartiridge has more than enough room for the models, your base model 3DS has very weak RAM, so having the models readily available for those maps help the game bypass technical limitations of the device even on the base 3DS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 20:23:50 No.39653587 Report

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>>39652336
Wow you're telling me guessing leads to more guessing because they actively REFUSE to tell us what's going on? Who would've fucking thought, it's almost like we're forced into the dark while they go full fucking ape shit without thinking anything out!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 20:24:49 No.39653599 Report

Quoted By:

>>39653118
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 20:27:49 No.39653625 Report

Quoted By: >>39656403

>>39647246
nobody fucking cares virgin
The mass outrage is gone, you lost. Kill yourself or accept it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 20:28:33 No.39653636 Report

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>>39653118
yeah but it's a loss on the distributor.
you're punishing walmart or gamestop or w/e.

unless you're gonna steal it in transit./at the factory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 20:39:49 No.39653747 Report

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>>39651928
Character models being in each location was a way to deal with the low RAM of the 3DS and the decrypting thing was debunked awhile ago, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 20:47:03 No.39653830 Report

Quoted By: >>39653913

>>39652321
So you're saying that GF is just lazy

>>39652638
Not all Pokemon need to be encouterable. Nobody is asking to be able to catch ever Pokemon in one game. Its a mattering of just allowing people to transfer Pokemon not in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 20:54:50 No.39653913 Report

Quoted By: >>39654051

>>39653830
>So you're saying that GF is just lazy
>if they don't keep making the games take more work to develop and quality overall suffer because of it they're lazy!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 21:07:33 No.39654043 Report

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>>39649360
Thats why they didn't say anything until now about the real reason, because they dont need to. When the game releases and the fans will buy the game,the people who can look through the files will be too late. Gamefreak would have already won because the games are already out and people can't do anything to inform the ones who can't/won't open their eyes. They don't need a valid excuse because when people will find out they were lied too it will:
A. Be too late to do something
or
B. Somebody will spin it in a way to make it favourable to them like dozens of times before when they made a questionable thing and people analysed and hypothesised a valid excuse for them See the lillie and the RAM access "solution". You can say i am wrong till the cows come home. Me lying/being ignorant does not hurt fans as much as blind fanboyism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 21:08:10 No.39654051 Report

Quoted By: >>39655584

>>39653913
Yes, actually. Taking the easy way out and choosing not to do all of them is in fact being lazy.
I don't care how hard or long it takes, I expect them to properly do their jobs, and they should do their jobs right.

Also,
>quality overall suffer because of it
Because things have sure improved from cutting them, right?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 21:25:20 No.39654259 Report

Quoted By: >>39654517 >>39656454

>>39647246
this sounds as fucking fake as it gets, Japanese mentality is more like that you enjoy what you have instead of complaining about what you could have. My Japanese friends who play Pokemon havent said a thing about the dex or megas being gone.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 21:51:56 No.39654517 Report

Quoted By:

>>39654259
>My Japanese friends who play Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Aug 2019 23:26:14 No.39655584 Report

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>>39654051
How the fuck would you even know, you retard? The games won’t be out for three months

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Anonymous Fri 09 Aug 2019 00:36:30 No.39656301 Report

Quoted By:

>>39653130
Redpilled

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Aug 2019 00:41:08 No.39656336 Report

Quoted By:

>>39653118
yeah that's pretty based but also kind of bluepilled

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Aug 2019 00:41:31 No.39656342 Report

Quoted By:

>>39647246
>They figured they could get away with cutting content because people would by the game no matter what terrible decisions they make.
They're right about this though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Aug 2019 00:47:54 No.39656403 Report

Quoted By:

>>39653625
Etika killed himself already. OP should follow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Aug 2019 00:50:04 No.39656425 Report

Quoted By:

>>39647246
who cares i'm getting it anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Aug 2019 00:53:26 No.39656454 Report

Quoted By:

>>39654259
>every Japanese person is the same
>let me talk about my aneotical evidence of a sample size of 5 people at the very most as to why all 120 million Japanese people in Japan think the exact same way
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Aug 2019 00:59:40 No.39656497 Report

Quoted By:

>>39647246
Don't care. If removing old shitmons allows us to get new regional forms of Pokemon that aren't for Gen 1, then it's worth it.

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