>>39785621>basic design, don't see why it would be hated other than it's overrated/popular, understandable thoughContrarians.
>one of the most putrid designs in the series, worst of all it's a shillmon. justified hatredIncineroar is at the top of NU though and it's high in VGC. That being said, it's not really good. Just annoying to battle.
>???/vp/ hates it because anons dont see a point of it existing, how forgettable it is, how weak it is and how it's just a manaphy but more common and "lamer" (I think this is only coming from people who think competitive is the only reason why pokemon are supposed to exist).
