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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:24:24 No.39870451 View View Reply Original Report

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Starter Pokemon used to be so clean and perfect.
Now they're all just based on silly tropes and gimmicks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:25:50 No.39870466 Report

Quoted By: >>39870515 >>39870517 >>39871277 >>39871508 >>39873916 >>39874126

Good question, why are the Sinnoh starters so shit compared to the hoenn starters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:30:25 No.39870515 Report

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>>39870466
Better question, why are the Hoenn some the worst design-wise starters ever made

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:30:37 No.39870517 Report

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>>39870466
That wasn't the implication at all.
I think the Hoenn starters are equally good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:30:58 No.39870520 Report

Quoted By: >>39870527 >>39871187

Doooo you want to see good starters?
Gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:31:42 No.39870527 Report

Quoted By: >>39870539

>>39870520
0/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:32:55 No.39870539 Report

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>>39870527
Seethe some more for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:33:21 No.39870542 Report

Quoted By: >>39870555 >>39870573

Real talk though, Torterra is just asymmetrical Venusaur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:34:01 No.39870555 Report

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>>39870542
Venusaur is a frog, Torterra is a tortoise

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:35:22 No.39870573 Report

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>>39870542
yeah and primarina is an estrogen pumped dewgong

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:39:34 No.39870624 Report

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>>39870451
Empoleon is based

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:41:35 No.39870639 Report

Quoted By: >>39871473 >>39872999

>>39870451
>Now they're all just based on silly tropes and gimmicks.
>Posts the starters that started it all
????

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:42:33 No.39870649 Report

Quoted By: >>39870676

>>39870451
>Now they're all just based on silly tropes and gimmicks.
Such as?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:42:46 No.39870653 Report

Quoted By: >>39870691 >>39870706 >>39871340

>>39870451
All starters follow the same design principle

>Sugimori: “We always divide the roles for the three starter Pokémon, by which I mean we assign each of them a distinct personality. For example, we make a cool one, a serious one, and a funny one. When we agreed on the concepts for Tepig and Snivy, we decided Tepig would be the funny one, and Snivy would be the cool one. So we knew Oshawott would have to be the serious one, which is how he ended up with the facial expression you see in his final design.”

They start with three contrasting personality traits and then design each starter around one of those personality traits (i.e. Snivy being cool, Tepig being funny, and Oshawott being serious)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:44:23 No.39870676 Report

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>>39870649
RPG characters, wrestlers, trannies, soccer players, spies etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:45:27 No.39870691 Report

Quoted By: >>39870749 >>39870970

>>39870653
None of the Gen 5 starters are cool, serious or funny

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:46:03 No.39870700 Report

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>>39870451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIuMU8UBxR4

Well, at least someone loves Piplup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:46:30 No.39870706 Report

Quoted By: >>39871315

>>39870653
Are you saying feralligator is silly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:46:50 No.39870708 Report

Quoted By: >>39870732 >>39871020 >>39871075 >>39873149

>>39870451
You're right.
The Sinnoh starters began the downward spiral that starters would later follow.
Now we're at a point where every starter's final stage is uncomfortably anthropomorphic and has enough of a defined personality to come across as a character rather than a species of monster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:48:37 No.39870732 Report

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>>39870708
That sounds like a you problem more than anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:49:35 No.39870749 Report

Quoted By: >>39870766 >>39871340

>>39870691
The art director disagrees

If he says Snivy is cool, Tepig is funny, and Oshawott is serious, then they are

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 01:51:00 No.39870766 Report

Quoted By: >>39870970 >>39871041

>>39870749
Based retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:09:47 No.39870970 Report

Quoted By: >>39871340

>>39870691
>>39870766
>Serperior is a smug bastard
>doesn't look cool
>Emboar is a goofy fatfuck
>doesn't look funny
>Samurott is a feral beast
>doesn't look serious
Your a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:13:49 No.39871018 Report

Quoted By: >>39871029

Starters didn't actually go to shit until gen 6. Previous gens were all good, but 6 and 7's are irredeemable shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:14:00 No.39871020 Report

Quoted By: >>39873168

>>39870708
The only Sinnoh starter to be in any way anthropomorphic was Infernape, and that’s because he is a baboon. Baboons look really like humans because we’re so closely related.

Torterra and Empoleon are just a tortoise and a penguin

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:14:23 No.39871029 Report

Quoted By: >>39871034

>>39871018
Gen 5 was irredeemable shit though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:14:51 No.39871034 Report

Quoted By: >>39871048 >>39871143

>>39871029
Nah, they were all good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:15:16 No.39871041 Report

Quoted By: >>39871064

>>39870766
Sugimori was still art director for Gen 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:15:47 No.39871048 Report

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>>39871034
t. Unovabortion

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:17:11 No.39871064 Report

Quoted By: >>39871314

>>39871041
Gen 5 was the downward spiral that led to that fraud Turner getting the job

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:18:30 No.39871075 Report

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>>39870708
Only /vp/ gives a shit about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:24:03 No.39871143 Report

Quoted By: >>39871155

>>39871034
Samurott is alright but could've been godlike

Serperior is cool

Emboar is garbage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:24:59 No.39871155 Report

Quoted By: >>39871268

>>39871143
>Emboar is garbage
Except it’s not

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:27:55 No.39871187 Report

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>>39870520
Gen 5 is still the worst set of starters in the series before Gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:35:39 No.39871267 Report

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>>39870451
Sinnohs starter theme is let's go to the zoo. Hoenn was animals found in hot humid climates

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:35:57 No.39871268 Report

Quoted By: >>39871282

>>39871155
>fat boiler shaped fighting type sumo
>instead of a muscular dark type orc

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:36:19 No.39871277 Report

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>>39870466
Dumb themes added in

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:37:11 No.39871282 Report

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>>39871268
And that’s bad because?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:41:44 No.39871314 Report

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>>39871064
But Gales of Darkness was Gen 3. Unless Turner got his job through time travel...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:41:46 No.39871315 Report

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>>39870706
I think it's this:
Gen 1 and 2: Funny/Serious/Cool
Gen 3 and 7: Cool/Serious/Funny
Gen 4: Funny/Cool/Serious??
Gen 5: Cool/Funny/Serious
Gen 6: Funny/Serious/Cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:42:08 No.39871320 Report

Quoted By: >>39871341 >>39871384

>>39870451
2=3=4 > 1 >>> 6 >>>>>>>>> 5=7

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:43:42 No.39871340 Report

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>>39870653
>>39870749
>>39870970
In the anime oshawott and tepig switched places

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:43:52 No.39871341 Report

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>>39871320
Agreed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:47:20 No.39871378 Report

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>>39870451
Grass starter has been the best of the 3 every single generation, eight in a row

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:47:53 No.39871384 Report

Quoted By: >>39872956 >>39873859

>>39871320
3=1>4>6>7>5>2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:54:22 No.39871443 Report

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I think the starters have been pretty good in every gen. Maybe not all of them are competitively viable but they're not bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 02:57:51 No.39871473 Report

Quoted By: >>39873934 >>39873943 >>39874132

>>39870639
>karate chicken with pillar legs
why do hoennfags embarrass themselves like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 03:00:18 No.39871508 Report

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>>39870466
it's called the cheerleader effect, they just look good together. btw nobody gives a shit about swampert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 05:28:13 No.39872732 Report

Quoted By: >>39874220

I stopped liking all starters after Gen 3. Just haven't felt any kind of connection with them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 06:13:02 No.39872956 Report

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>>39871384
Why are all the Hoenn starters paired up with their weakness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 06:22:31 No.39872999 Report

Quoted By:

>>39870639
Everything after gen 1 is trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 07:01:46 No.39873149 Report

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>>39870708
didn't masuda or ohmori or someone say that this was the intention? i remember them talking about incineroar in an interview and it coming to this exact point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 07:09:35 No.39873168 Report

Quoted By: >>39873192 >>39873741

>>39871020
Gen 4 started the human theme shit with Napoleon as Empoleon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 07:15:32 No.39873192 Report

Quoted By: >>39873841 >>39873943

>>39873168
You mean Blaziken? That's not how chickens look.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 09:39:19 No.39873741 Report

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>>39873168
Gen 4 had a mythos theme with the starters.
>Empoleon is based on Poseidon, whose crowned crest resembles the trident, and also the emperor penguin. It’s name is a reference to Napoleon Bonaparte, a French emperor; this ties the connection with the animal it’s based on and has a royal look because it.
>Infernape is based on Sun Wukong. A Chinese mytho story.
>Torterra is based on the World Turtle.
So you have Poseidon, Sun Wukong, and the World Turtle, all mythology from different places of origin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 09:51:35 No.39873806 Report

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>>39870451
Startwrs have always veen this way.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 09:55:55 No.39873823 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 10:01:42 No.39873841 Report

Quoted By: >>39873862

>>39873192
No wonder 3rd gen killed Pokemania. That and botched backwards compatibilty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 10:05:49 No.39873859 Report

Quoted By: >>39873866

>>39871384
this looks so good but man the old style btfos the new one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 10:07:01 No.39873862 Report

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>>39873841
Gen 4 was an attempt to return to form with just regular animals. But Gamefreak just messed that up too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 10:07:32 No.39873866 Report

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>>39873859
Take off your nostalgia goggles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 10:22:31 No.39873916 Report

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>>39870466
Fpbp, Sinnoh was the beginning of garbage starter designs that look like fakemons.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 10:25:09 No.39873934 Report

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>>39871473
haha yeah, what kind of goofy Fighting type kicking-themed pokemon has long legs anyway??

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 10:26:36 No.39873943 Report

Quoted By: >>39874151

>>39871473
>>39873192

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:09:18 No.39874126 Report

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>>39870466
This
When I first saw them I wanted to puke

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:09:55 No.39874132 Report

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>>39871473
>He doesn't want a long leg karate chicken
Why?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:12:42 No.39874151 Report

Quoted By: >>39874202

>>39873943

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:23:22 No.39874202 Report

Quoted By: >>39874215 >>39874232

>>39874151
Okay? It's still based on a Shamo chicken, silly ogre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:27:04 No.39874215 Report

Quoted By: >>39874309

>>39874202
Well yeah, anons just said it didn't look like one, which has nothing to do with its concept, dum dum

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:27:25 No.39874220 Report

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>>39872732
That feeling started in Gen 7 for me
Gens 1-4: Awesome
Gen 5: Didn’t mind their designs but disappointed with their types
Gen 6: Fun concepts and typings have another triangle going on
Gen 7: Ehhhh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:29:20 No.39874225 Report

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>>39870451
>Muh goku
>Muh napoleon ugly fat fuck
>Retard autistic hat turtle that obtains a digimon face

I know right

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:30:18 No.39874232 Report

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>>39874202
cock fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 11:46:00 No.39874309 Report

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>>39874215
You're a moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2019 12:22:03 No.39874463 Report

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>>39870451
Starter design:
3>6>7>2>5>4>>>1

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