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Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 16:51:42 No.40231568 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>40231662 >>40231752 >>40231770 >>40234609 >>40235101 >>40235148 >>40235848 >>40236193 >>40236739 >>40243520

Torterra, the second starter ever to become ZU (AKA untiered). Big F

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 16:53:10 No.40231587 Report

Quoted By: >>40231620 >>40231714

What the fuck is ZU? Wasnt PU the lowest tier for shitmons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 16:54:57 No.40231620 Report

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>>40231587
ZU is an unofficial playable tier. Untiered (ZU) is basically the ultimate limbo of Fully evolved shitmons/legendaries (cough Regigigas cough) as Untiered pokemons are not recommended for usage in any tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 16:57:13 No.40231662 Report

Quoted By: >>40231688 >>40231720

>>40231568
Who was the first one? Meganium?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 16:58:46 No.40231688 Report

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>>40231662
Why would you even need to ask that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:00:12 No.40231714 Report

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>>40231587
it's a tier where mareanie is viable but politoed is D rank

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:00:51 No.40231720 Report

Quoted By: >>40234424

>>40231662
Correct, in fact, Meganium and Torterra are the only PU starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:02:18 No.40231740 Report

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grass bros... we lost

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:03:05 No.40231752 Report

Quoted By: >>40231779

>>40231568
>Barbaracle dropped from RU
>Jolteon and Mega Banette did not
Fucking why.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:04:04 No.40231770 Report

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>>40231568
He didn't deserve this, bros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:04:26 No.40231779 Report

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>>40231752
Technically, Barbaracle just went back to BL, not NU.
But Jolteon and MegaBanette not dropping is just a testament to how determined (read: retarded) RU players are at clinging to shitmons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:05:11 No.40231797 Report

Quoted By: >>40231841 >>40234675 >>40242286

>PU -> UU
That’s a pretty big jump, no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:06:21 No.40231823 Report

Quoted By: >>40231850

Grass/Ground doesn't work out as well as you think it would sadly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:07:08 No.40231841 Report

Quoted By: >>40231946

>>40231797
Quagsire is used to it. Frosslass is strange

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:07:29 No.40231850 Report

Quoted By: >>40232168 >>40234658 >>40234939

>>40231823
>4x weak to ice
How well did you honestly expect it to work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:07:30 No.40231851 Report

Quoted By: >>40232689 >>40235931

You know the meta's found itself when Quagsire jumps back up

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:10:35 No.40231912 Report

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Sire: acquired

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:11:42 No.40231946 Report

Quoted By: >>40235633

>>40231841
Froslass spikes got a spike in usage (pun intended) because Froslass has a different niche than Azelf as a suicide lead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:12:36 No.40231966 Report

Quoted By: >>40231990

>mew is now UU
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:13:23 No.40231990 Report

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>>40231966
They banned Mewnium-Z

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:21:48 No.40232168 Report

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>>40231850
Ground is a good STAB and you have edgequake resistance. There's also loads of stuff 4x weak to Ice, but it certainly doesn't help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:23:49 No.40232230 Report

Quoted By: >>40232260 >>40232805 >>40232851 >>40233025 >>40235961 >>40235973

Arent all starters bad? I dont think theres one in OU or ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:24:50 No.40232260 Report

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>>40232230
>Greninja
>Serperior
>Blaziken
"no".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:25:38 No.40232275 Report

Quoted By: >>40232333

Why does it being a starter matter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:28:48 No.40232333 Report

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>>40232275
It really doesn't mean that much. but starters often do have the benefit of having 500+ BST, so they at least get some sort of leg up against non-minmaxed pokemon with lower base stat totals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:45:30 No.40232689 Report

Quoted By: >>40235982

>>40231851
>quag bumped from the bottom to UU
UU truly is the new OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:51:20 No.40232805 Report

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>>40232230
>Charizard X/Y
>Blaziken
>Serperior
>Fucking Greninja
>The rain team mega

Please be bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:52:04 No.40232818 Report

Quoted By: >>40232859 >>40232862 >>40233367 >>40235239 >>40236688 >>40242140

Can someone explain to me why tf is Quagsire always jumping between tiers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:53:46 No.40232851 Report

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>>40232230
If we don't count Hidden Abilities, Mega Evolution, or Battle Bond then yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:54:15 No.40232859 Report

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>>40232818
Because he’s mother fucking Quagsire. He does what he wants

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 17:54:19 No.40232862 Report

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>>40232818
ground/water and unaware.
quagsire can do a lot of stuff and is bulky enough to stop setup sweepers and such. Gastrodon bounces around a lot for the same reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 18:02:50 No.40233025 Report

Quoted By: >>40236631

>>40232230
Ubers: Blaziken and Mega Blaziken
OU: Mega-zards, Greninja (w/ash), Serperior, Mega-Venu (UUBL though), Mega Swampert

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 18:22:25 No.40233367 Report

Quoted By: >>40235896

>>40232818
Quagsire is a staple on full stall and absolutely worthless on any other archetype. This is true in nearly every tier. Sometimes stall gets used enough in a higher tier that he jumps up for a while, otherwise he sits in PU while getting okay usage everywhere else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:15:03 No.40234424 Report

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>>40231720
Torterra is ZU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:21:12 No.40234547 Report

Quoted By: >>40237959

I can't believe torterra dropped to zu before blastoise or decidueye

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:24:57 No.40234609 Report

Quoted By: >>40235046

>>40231568
He's gonna get a big buff in the remake right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:25:18 No.40234618 Report

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Look at all those Pokemon who won't take part in the gen VIII meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:27:32 No.40234658 Report

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>>40231850
So is literally fucking Landorus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:28:26 No.40234675 Report

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>>40231797
Quagsire does it all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:42:12 No.40234939 Report

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>>40231850
maybe if it was faster

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:46:32 No.40235046 Report

Quoted By: >>40235717 >>40236055

>>40234609
Grass/Ground or Grass/Rock mega with Grassy terrain when

I love him so much, it hurts

How would you make Torterra better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:48:59 No.40235101 Report

Quoted By: >>40235796

>>40231568
How did it go from nu to zu without going through pu?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:51:00 No.40235148 Report

Quoted By: >>40235856

>>40231568
>this is as far as the meta will go
>lando-t still wasn't banned
i fucking hope the genies aren't in swoosh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 19:55:22 No.40235239 Report

Quoted By: >>40235682

>>40232818
Because he either successfully walls out what's left of the opponent's team or he dies a quick, uneventful death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:16:43 No.40235633 Report

Quoted By: >>40235920 >>40235923

>>40231946
I've been using it as a suicide lead in various higher tiers since i started comp, why the fuck do they decide to make it uu just now? It having a narrow niche in a higher tier doesn't make it any more usefull in a lower tier, so why even move it up? Do smogonfags just roll dice to make decisions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:19:16 No.40235682 Report

Quoted By:

>>40235239
she*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:20:36 No.40235717 Report

Quoted By:

>>40235046
>him
her*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:24:02 No.40235796 Report

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>>40235101
It was ZU earlier this generation already, not being used enough for PU. For some reason it briefly surged in popularity in NU, but after they stopped that, it was allowed to fall all the way back down to ZU since that's where it was originally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:26:03 No.40235848 Report

Quoted By: >>40235882 >>40236123

>>40231568
>gatr is UU again
how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:26:28 No.40235856 Report

Quoted By: >>40236051

>>40235148
Explain why it needs to be banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:27:50 No.40235882 Report

Quoted By: >>40236029

>>40235848
Sheer Force, access to 3 different viable boosting moves, great coverage, and Liquidation giving it even better STAB than Waterfall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:28:25 No.40235896 Report

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>>40233367
Yep, Quag's "offical" tier has never reflected its actually viability, at least since Gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:29:04 No.40235920 Report

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>>40235633
Why do mouthbreathers not understand how shifts by usage work? If you don't even get that don't worry, your 1200 elo isn't gonna suffer much from not being able to use Froslass anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:29:09 No.40235923 Report

Quoted By: >>40236153

>>40235633
It's not
>it has a use in UU, therefore it's a UU mon
It's
>enough people have used it in UU for it to be on 3.41% of teams, so it's UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:29:35 No.40235931 Report

Quoted By:

>>40231851
A Pokémon so retarded that jumps between tiers everytime. How can you not love him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:30:59 No.40235961 Report

Quoted By:

>>40232230
*ahem* Infernape.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:31:40 No.40235973 Report

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>>40232230
They're all bad designs, at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:32:01 No.40235982 Report

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>>40232689
OU at this point is a mess.
UU/RU are the best tiers in this Gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:34:13 No.40236029 Report

Quoted By: >>40236086 >>40236162

>>40235882
I would’ve it couldn’t muscle through UU because of its speed or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:35:11 No.40236051 Report

Quoted By:

>>40235856
1100 elo kiddies can’t deal with U-turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:35:18 No.40236055 Report

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>>40235046
Bulky attacker is a really bad archetype in the current meta game. Unless it becomes bulky with decent attack or gets more speed so it can be usable witg scarf it's dead forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:36:04 No.40236086 Report

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>>40236029
I used one last gen in OU because it's one of my favorite mons. At +1 Jolly it would outspeed pre-mega Alakazam and OHKOing with Crunch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:37:08 No.40236123 Report

Quoted By:

>>40235848
Why it shouldn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:38:17 No.40236153 Report

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>>40235923
Caveat, "usage" doesn't really impact the stats if it's low ladder tards like showderp. IIRC, 75% of games make up 99% of stats, so the bottom 25% of players basically count for nothing. Good players' matches are weighted more heavily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:38:46 No.40236162 Report

Quoted By:

>>40236029
The thing is that fatalligator can be used with scarf or be boosted with dragon dance at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:39:56 No.40236193 Report

Quoted By:

>>40231568
I thought Torterra was A rank in NU what did I miss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 20:57:26 No.40236631 Report

Quoted By: >>40237654

>>40233025
>Mega Blaziken
What? i thought mega blaziken was bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:00:04 No.40236688 Report

Quoted By:

>>40232818
you could say he's not aware of his tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:01:54 No.40236739 Report

Quoted By:

>>40231568
This good for us gigabros :=)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:38:44 No.40237458 Report

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Torterra just needs shell smash and it will become OU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:44:12 No.40237552 Report

Quoted By: >>40237681

>And Torterrafags used to shit on Venusaur claiming that it's shit and Torterra is objectively the best grass starter

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:47:03 No.40237654 Report

Quoted By:

>>40236631
The only thing bad about Mega Blaziken is that it's worse than normal Blaziken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:48:15 No.40237681 Report

Quoted By: >>40237709 >>40243551

>>40237552
I have literally never seen this. Venusaur took until gen 5 to be dethroned as best grass starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:49:06 No.40237709 Report

Quoted By: >>40237734 >>40241779

>>40237681
Then you are new here.
I have been here for many years, and Torterrafags used to shit on Venusaur whenever someone says that Venusaur is the best grass starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:49:59 No.40237734 Report

Quoted By:

>>40237709
lolok

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Oct 2019 21:58:49 No.40237959 Report

Quoted By:

>>40234547
blastoise and decidueye are both quite good in NU though, especially blastoise. Why would they drop?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Oct 2019 01:25:48 No.40241779 Report

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>>40237709
I mean, I like Torterra much more than I ever will like Venusaur, but I don't care about comp and only played ZU when I did anyway so it'd be a cool thing actually to have my favorite starter there. A mon dropping tiers just means that more people get the opportunities to use it, I don't see how that's a negative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Oct 2019 01:41:31 No.40242140 Report

Quoted By: >>40242886

>>40232818
stall. same reason stuff like gastrodon and pyukumuku jump around too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Oct 2019 01:47:50 No.40242286 Report

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>>40231797
Quagsire is a monster if grass isn't a common coverage move (which is normally isn't), so people suddenly start running him. Then he becomes so common that everyone starts running grass coverage and he goes back to the bottom tier. Then people stop running grass coverage and the cycle continues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Oct 2019 02:15:02 No.40242886 Report

Quoted By: >>40243344

>>40242140
Is Pyukumuku really that good in stall? I know it has recovery and Unaware, but it's just taunt bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Oct 2019 02:36:10 No.40243344 Report

Quoted By:

>>40242886
You can't rely on it to beat Taunt stallbreakers obviously but its ability to beat setup mons like Rain Manaphy in OU, NP Infernape in UU, etc. is extremely valuable to stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Oct 2019 02:43:48 No.40243520 Report

Quoted By:

>>40231568
I like to use it a lot. I even won in showdown with it a lot of times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Oct 2019 02:45:05 No.40243551 Report

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>>40237681
Gen 6, you mean. Serperior didn’t get contrary back then.

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