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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 22:16:51 No.40314004 View View Reply Original Report

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What apologists need is this fact rammed through their thick skulls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 22:17:24 No.40314008 Report

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>>40314004
Apparently all of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 22:19:24 No.40314028 Report

Quoted By: >>40314036 >>40314041 >>40314709

>>40314004
>NOOOOOO HOW CAN IT BE REEEEEEE GAMES ARE BAD NOBODY BUYS THEM FRANCHISE WAS RUINED IN GEN 3 AAAARGH SO MAD THESE FUCKING JAPANESE WERE SUCCESFUL AND IM STILL STUCK ON MY MOMS BASEMENT REFRESHING VP OVER AND OVER AND FAPPING TO FURRY PORN

I think that's enough for today

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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 22:20:41 No.40314036 Report

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>>40314028
Where's your counter-argument?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 22:20:57 No.40314041 Report

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>>40314028
Who are you quoting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 22:22:35 No.40314056 Report

Quoted By: >>40314668 >>40314727 >>40314792 >>40315766 >>40315853

>>40314004
And how much of it goes to Game Freak? Very little. The money can't go into the games because the games aren't where it comes from.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 22:24:10 No.40314071 Report

Quoted By: >>40314656

And? The games sure as shit aren't, barely 18 billion of the total and of that, about 5.5bill is from spin-offs. Now 12bill sounds impressive, but taken over 23 years isn't really, considering merch alone made 61bill in the same timeframe (less even, they didn't start selling merch when they launched the games initially).
So, what is your whiny, seething little point of this thread, other to show how a company who've always targeted the children's demographic are making you mad by continuing to focus onn the children's market vis-a-vis their games?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 22:26:06 No.40314090 Report

Quoted By: >>40316010

>>40314004
>money = quality
Anyone who thinks this needs to learn how the fucking world works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:28:51 No.40314656 Report

Quoted By: >>40314689 >>40314850

>>40314071
>making 12 billion dollars selling shovelware quality games isnt impressive
you do it then

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:29:57 No.40314668 Report

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>>40314056
Youtube loses money yet it's one of Google's flagship properties

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:31:41 No.40314689 Report

Quoted By: >>40314814

>>40314656
Pokemon really isn't shovelware. There are better games sure but that doesn't make Pokemon shovelware. You fags are just overly reactionary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:33:32 No.40314709 Report

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>>40314028
Yes, I think so. Goodnight anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:34:34 No.40314718 Report

Quoted By: >>40314812

>>40314004
>They have more money so they have to spend more of it than every other company to satisfy my autism
What dexcels need is a helicopter ride,

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:35:35 No.40314727 Report

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>>40314056
Fucking this. They get next to none of that money.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:38:28 No.40314767 Report

Quoted By: >>40314812

>>40314004
>dey sell plush toys and tcg packs and movie tickets dat game freak has nothing to do with so dat mean game freak should keep supporting infinitely growing characters in my video gaem!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:40:52 No.40314787 Report

Quoted By: >>40314812 >>40315083

>>40314004
>it's another episode of "retard reads number on wikipedia article he just discovered without understanding any of its context so now he thinks game freak should put in every feature he asks for"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:41:20 No.40314792 Report

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>>40314056
That's still enough to keep them going, they also said they wanted a small team for their "Indie roots" but you then have MedaiVision working on the Digimon Story games with even less money, an even smaller team and around the same timeframe of releases, and they STILL have more better models & animations. And I'm not here to shill Digimon, I'm just saying "But they don't get all the money" isn't a valid excuse when you also have 20 years of experience and very capable of getting more hands to help but refuse to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:43:15 No.40314812 Report

Quoted By: >>40314830 >>40315071

>>40314718
>>40314767
>>40314787
Do you buy tshirts of your favorite band to support more tshirts of your favorite band, or to support their music?

It's not unreasonable to see Pokemon as a videogame first and everything else second.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:43:21 No.40314814 Report

Quoted By: >>40314849 >>40315252

>>40314689
> They aren't shovelware, you're just overly reactionary
Friend you have to tell me straight that THIS isn't shovelware levels of effort, and this is actually worth being one of the most highest grossing franchises' games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryf9VAwTMG8

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:45:37 No.40314830 Report

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>>40314792
>and they STILL have more better models & animations.
But they don't. And the quality of the gameplay itself is also worse than Pokemon.

>>40314812
I don't know, is my favorite band part of a mega corporation that massively sells several different things other than just music?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:47:18 No.40314849 Report

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>>40314814
>wtf why don't all the hundreds of pokemon have hundreds of animations for each individual move?

The problem isn't that it's shovelware. The problem is that you have retarded standards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:47:33 No.40314850 Report

Quoted By: >>40314898

>>40314656
That's how much they've made TOTAL over 20 years, not how much profit they've made. Most of it has already been spent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Oct 2019 23:51:48 No.40314898 Report

Quoted By: >>40315281

>>40314850
you really think they'd even bother pumping out this garbage if it didn't make a profit? the games make a killing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:13:46 No.40315071 Report

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>>40314812
It still doesnt make sense to demand gamefreak to cram in an absurd amount of pokemon "because they were successful"? Does being rich suddenly mean you have to work harder than other companies to appeal towards some autist all because he has only one favorite pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:15:44 No.40315083 Report

Quoted By: >>40315444

>>40314787
Pokemon is still the highest grossing media franchise, this is a fact, but theres a point in this.
some of the franchises on that list haven't had their numbers updated in several years, while pokemon gets updated as soon as possible because its top priority on that list.
last time i checked, they didnt update yugiohs tcg sales since 2009

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:35:32 No.40315252 Report

Quoted By: >>40316463

>>40314814
Yes. One awkward animation mistake, and mediocre animations elsewhere does not make a game shovelware. Pokemon could do better in terms of animation but it sure as sure as fucking hell is not shovel ware.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:38:58 No.40315281 Report

Quoted By: >>40315300

>>40314898
They can make all the profit they want but that 90 billion number is revenue, not profit. Additionally it's over the course of 23 years and the games have only generated 12 billion of that which Gamefreak has to divide up between Nintendo and Creatures. And it's over the course of 23 years they don't have 12 billion on them right now right this second that money's been spent on development, market testing, advertising, paying employees, and so much more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:41:11 No.40315300 Report

Quoted By: >>40315313 >>40315360

>>40315281
every new pokemon generations first games are on the list of 100 best selling videos.
and theyre made like indie games.
it doesnt matter if they only get 33% of the money. gamefreak is fucking loaded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:42:48 No.40315313 Report

Quoted By: >>40315343

>>40315300
I'm not arguing Gamefreak doesn't have a decent amount of money stashed away but the "muh 90 billion" shit is vastly over inflated. At most on hand they probably have 2-3 billion at any given time. Which is a lot, but not the 90 billion some spergs unironically think they have access to.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:43:09 No.40315317 Report

Quoted By: >>40315328

>>40314004
More pic related, though I wouldn't say government censorship and shitty games are the same thing but it's just really true

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:45:05 No.40315328 Report

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>>40315317
That's Mei from Overwatch. So a corporate mascot from a company that's a slave to China. Is this some kind of irony or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:46:16 No.40315343 Report

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>>40315313
oh yeah for sure, i can agree with that.
just wanna be clear that theyre definitely able to be significantly more than the indie company they choose to be

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:47:49 No.40315360 Report

Quoted By: >>40315385 >>40315846

>>40315300
If they're rich why do they still only have around 200 employees? Why don't they have their own building instead of occupying the 22nd floor of a tower?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:49:30 No.40315375 Report

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>>40314004
>not Christianity

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:50:23 No.40315385 Report

Quoted By: >>40315469

>>40315360
exactly.
its absurd that they choose to be an indie company like its a cool thing.
they did say recently that they keep a small team to remain organized or something though right?
gamefreak is incompetent

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:52:50 No.40315415 Report

Quoted By: >>40315460

>>40314004
>Money means that the work load is automatically destroyed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:56:49 No.40315444 Report

Quoted By: >>40315523

>>40315083
That wikipedia list is retarded as fuck, it lists the retail price of every single issue of Corocoro sold the last 22 years as "money grossed by Pokemon" and similar shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:58:33 No.40315460 Report

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>>40315415
not as desrtoyed as your asswhole will be when I ram my fist into it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 00:59:24 No.40315469 Report

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>>40315385
A larger team doesn't instantly make something better. Small dev teams are better able to communicate with one another, and they can often share a tighter bond that allows for a less hostile work environment. Equally more money also doesn't make something better. Dev teams and dev budgets can get bloated, and can suffer from that bloat. Sword and Shield currently as a team of over 1000 people on it and you and others have issues with the games. The games you like meanwhile like gen 3, 4, and 5 were made with small teams and on a limited budget.

Fire Emblem Three Houses also had a large team for a Fire Emblem game and while it's fine gameplay-wise it clearly didn't help fix it's godawful and limited animations. More does not magically equal better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 01:05:42 No.40315523 Report

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>>40315444
It does that with Jump too. It lists Jump as it's own brand, but it also includes every Jump issue sold per-franchise as part of the franchise. It's also purely based on revenue and not profit which makes the entire list worthless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 01:32:03 No.40315766 Report

Quoted By: >>40315789

>>40314056
>And how much of it goes to Game Freak?
more than most franchises (which produce better games regardless) will ever see in their lifetimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 01:34:00 No.40315789 Report

Quoted By: >>40315835 >>40316397

>>40315766
You will fail to give source on that, so your argument dies on that bottom floor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 01:37:38 No.40315835 Report

Quoted By: >>40316415

>>40315789
they own a third of a $90 billion franchise. you do the math.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 01:38:53 No.40315846 Report

Quoted By: >>40316049 >>40316429

>>40315360
because they choose to. and no, i'm not kidding. their excuse is that they want to keep that "small indie company" feel, but the truth is that they want to keep expectations low and give themselves another built-in excuse for low-quality games.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 01:39:33 No.40315853 Report

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>>40314056
>we sumaru sutudio puriisu undasutando

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 01:54:55 No.40316010 Report

Quoted By:

>>40314090
But GameFreak isn't making quality either way

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 01:58:40 No.40316049 Report

Quoted By:

>>40315846
Is it really so wrong for them to want to keep things simple and close-knit on their end without having some gayass conspiracy agenda?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:19:27 No.40316256 Report

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>>40314004

>REEEE STOP ANNOYING MEEEEE
>JUST DONT BUY THE GAAAAAAME

People who say “Don’t buy the game” are missing the point

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:21:59 No.40316280 Report

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>>40314004

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:29:47 No.40316348 Report

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>apologists
It's a video game for kids too young for fortnite. It doesn't need to make excuses because there's no reason for it to be good. Nobody working on it has any good reason to actually try.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:35:01 No.40316397 Report

Quoted By: >>40316599

>>40315789
Game Freak almost certainly owns 34% which is about 32.5 billion dollars.

Last we heard it was 33/32/32/3 for Game Freak/Nintendo/Creatures/4Kids. With 4Kids out of the picture their 3 would obviously have gone back equally since it's clear GF was intended to be majority owner.

How much they use is irrelevant because they own at least~32 billion of the ~96 TPC is worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:35:34 No.40316404 Report

Quoted By:

>Your gonna buy the game anyway

How does that suddenly mean criticism doesn’t exist
People want this series to get better and we aren’t seeing it.
Nobody complaining thinks the core game is going to be bad, this isn’t some Paper Mario fuckfest, but the quality is very fucking noticeable from the highest grossing media franchise

>It’s gonna sell anyway
this is the same statement that let Sega continue to make bad sonic games since 06

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:36:31 No.40316415 Report

Quoted By: >>40316423

>>40315835
Do people think because there's three companies that it's all split evenly? Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:37:37 No.40316423 Report

Quoted By: >>40316536

>>40316415
its been confirmed that its split evenly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:38:12 No.40316429 Report

Quoted By:

>>40315846
But their other games also have small teams. Maybe they just work better that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:40:34 No.40316463 Report

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>>40315252
>one animation mistake
You mean 807 to the power of 18 of them?

All Pokémon do that for all default Z-Moves.

And instead of actually fixing it they just deleted them... For renamed Z-Moves that have a single animation for everything and hit in a way that, say, Corviknight looks like it's made of sheet metal blowing in the wind.

Yeah, so much better than content. Lazier, more broken, time wasting bullshit no one who loves Pokémon cares about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:45:58 No.40316520 Report

Quoted By: >>40316561 >>40316621

>>40314004
What does there success have to do with whether or not you're entitled to a postgame stantler?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:47:32 No.40316536 Report

Quoted By: >>40316553

>>40316423
That doesn't mean the profits are split evenly.
Publishers always take a huge chunk of it. Even if it were split evenly, the developers would get a fraction of the overall profits after distributed for tpc employees and nintendo as the publisher.
People also keep looking at revenue over profits, not taking into consideration other costs. All the money doesn't just go straight to the next game's budget.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:49:00 No.40316553 Report

Quoted By: >>40316599

>>40316536
... no one said it did?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:49:34 No.40316558 Report

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Lockstin was in the side of the shills while accepting the criticism side and even he agrees that Gamefreak’s cut of the money is too large to be an excuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:49:40 No.40316561 Report

Quoted By: >>40316631

>>40316520
It's called capitalism anon. Supply and demand, you know?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:52:58 No.40316599 Report

Quoted By: >>40316653

>>40316553
>>40316397
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:55:30 No.40316621 Report

Quoted By: >>40316656

>>40316520

I honestly think this shitstorm wouldn’t have happened if Gamefreak didn’t say the national dex cut happened for the animations, just say you can’t because there’s too many

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:56:35 No.40316631 Report

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>>40316561
Yes it works both ways. If your demand is retardedly high (asking for 1000+ animated models), then GF is welcome to no longer deliver.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:57:11 No.40316641 Report

Quoted By:

Luigi’s Mansion 3 reveal
>”Wow this looks like shit”
>E3
>They actually fucking improved and looks like one of the best looking switch games visually and artistically

The fact that a bunch of Canadians did it gives GF no excuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:58:08 No.40316653 Report

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>>40316599
ah didnt see that reply
i didnt say that, at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 02:58:40 No.40316656 Report

Quoted By: >>40319030

>>40316621
They gave a lot of different reasons which all come down to "there's too many pokemon"

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:07:03 No.40316739 Report

Quoted By: >>40316761 >>40316773 >>40316789 >>40316828 >>40316870

>>40314792
>but you then have MedaiVision working on the Digimon Story games with even less money, an even smaller team and around the same timeframe of releases, and they STILL have more better models & animations
yes, look at this utterly amazing animation

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:08:07 No.40316761 Report

Quoted By: >>40316773 >>40316789 >>40316828 >>40316870

>>40314792
>>40316739
these animations have so much work put into them, it puts the incompetent game freak to shame

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:09:10 No.40316773 Report

Quoted By: >>40316789 >>40316828 >>40316870

>>40314792
>>40316739
>>40316761
why is game freak so lazy compared to other developers? why doesn't sword/shield have quality animations like this?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:10:54 No.40316789 Report

Quoted By: >>40316828 >>40316870

>>40314792
>>40316739
>>40316761
>>40316773
I love how much effort the digimon games put into their animations, it totally immerses you into the battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:11:18 No.40316796 Report

Quoted By: >>40316827

What’s the next excuse going to be?

Last 2 were
>Option to turn off expshare might be gone
>NOBODY LIKES GRINDING, STOP COMPLAINING

>24 Hour stream for 1 pokemon with a type that makes zero fucking sense
>WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT TYPES NOW!?
>ITS JUST A REALISTIC STREAM!

The excuses themselves are starting to sound like Casuals who only played Pokémon Go except all the check mark Twitter faggots are defending them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:14:21 No.40316827 Report

Quoted By: >>40316849 >>40317090

>>40316796
I thought unicorns usually have psychic abilities?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:14:23 No.40316828 Report

Quoted By: >>40316846 >>40316868

>>40316789
>>40316773
>>40316761
>>40316739
>Even the """"worst""""" animations are more lively and expressed than gf's robotic sequences
Are you trying to prove digimon is better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:16:38 No.40316846 Report

Quoted By: >>40316881

>>40316828
bait

at least the pokemon animations actually fucking connect with the opponent instead of the pokemon just screaming at the air and cut to a shot of the opponent randomly getting hit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:16:57 No.40316849 Report

Quoted By:

>>40316827

Ponyta being psychic itself isn’t the problem
A few people find it a problem and the shills over exaggerate as usual

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:19:47 No.40316868 Report

Quoted By:

>>40316828
>he doesnt even know what is a good animation and a bad one
Please stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:20:06 No.40316870 Report

Quoted By: >>40320878

>>40316739
>>40316761
>>40316773
>>40316789
this is the game digifags have been shilling and telling people to buy over Pokemon? jesus fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:22:25 No.40316881 Report

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>>40316846
Oh yes, i love it too when scorbunny does le epic kick (would like if someone gave the webm) and particles teleport straight to the opponent , but lmao who cares nobody uses it anyways right? It's not like other moves with more users may have the same problem!
shut the fuck up

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 03:49:58 No.40317090 Report

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>>40316827
No, they traditionally have h(/H)oly abilities. With a little h, curative properties, the ability to cleanse poisons, and virile untameable masculine strength; with a big H, they're a representation of Christ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 09:54:00 No.40319030 Report

Quoted By: >>40320754

>>40316656
My my my, they're gonna stop making new pokemon to save some trouble?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 14:06:48 No.40320754 Report

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>>40319030
Why would they do that? Yoi can go one year without scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 14:22:46 No.40320878 Report

Quoted By: >>40320886

>>40316870
It's not Digimon fans it's people who haven't actually played the games trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 14:23:31 No.40320886 Report

Quoted By: >>40320901

>>40320878
Hard cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 14:24:25 No.40320901 Report

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>>40320886
Play games other than Pokemon before running your mouth.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 11 Oct 2019 15:29:06 No.40321425 Report

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>>40314004
>Pokemon Apologist
What is it with zoomers taking a word to mean the exact opposite of what it means. Of course they know its the highest grossing franchise in media, its probably why they are apologists in the first place and is a fact they remind everybody about because they as apologists are staunchly pro-pokemon.

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