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No one is going to remember this guy if his ace Pokemon truly is Charizard. It's Diantha all over again.>You think of Dragonite, Lance comes to mind immediately >You think of Metagross, Steven comes to mind immediately >You think of Garchomp, Cynthia comes to mind immediately >You think of Volcarona, Alder comes to mind immediately >You think of Gardevoir, Wally comes to mind long before Diantha >You think of Charizard, Blue, Red, Green, Professor Oak, and even Lance come to mind before this guy
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>>40394744 Diantha isn't memorable because she has no fucking character in the game and she's the easist champion in the series, not because of the "hurr muh ace" you autist.
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I'm actually okay if that nigger won't be remembered
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>>40394744 They fixed Wally in ORAS though and even Masters is using the ORAS designs for Hoenn. As it stands, Wally using Gardevoir is going to be that useless trivia knowledge in a few years, so people will actually start to remember Diantha. As for Leon, it really depends on how the story ends up in Sword and Shield.
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>>40394744 I remember champions for their characters more than their Pokemon. Their ace could be anything, that's not really the point. Obviously you don't think of Leon when you think of Charizard because you know fucking nothing about Leon. His ace could be fucking anything and you'd be saying the exact same thing. At least wait for the game to be out before calling something unmemorable. Also you're making a pretty big assumption by calling him the final boss, the final boss and the champion aren't always the same thing.
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>>40394817 >Also you're making a pretty big assumption by calling him the final boss, the final boss and the champion aren't always the same thing. I'm assuming they're not going to repeat the huge mistake that was Gen V.
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>>40394744 >>You think of Gardevoir, Wally comes to mind long before Diantha You live in your own bubble if you genuinely believe that. almost nobody remembered Wally before ORAS.
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>>40394744 >>You think of Charizard, Blue, Red, Green, Professor Oak, and even Lance come to mind before this guy I think of Blue for Alakazam before Charizard, and Lance for Dragonite. Gardevoir is considered primarily Wally's because it's his main partner while Diantha uses its Mega more, but no trainer before Leon really associates hard with Charizard. The closest would be Kiawe and he never even battles with it.
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>>40394817 Leon was shown super early considering he's the champion, so he's likely to be plot relevant. And I agree, I remember the champions for the character not their main.
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>>40394744 > >You think of Gardevoir, Wally comes to mind long before Diantha Not these days, anon.
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>>40394839 >mistake that was gen 5 The other gens wish they could be 5
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Why are they making an extremely pooular gen 1 pokemon the gen 8 champion's ace? Op is right but he's retarded. When I think of charizard I think of ash
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>>40394839 Technically speaking, Lance is only the Disc 1 final boss, and none of the final bosses in Alola are champions.
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>>40394744 His ace Pokemon will be gigantamax Charizard, assuming that you won't see or can't catch Charmander line until the postgame.
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>>40394943 >but no trainer before Leon really associates hard with Charizard Most people associate Charizard with Red. Even if it's not his canon starter in all source for most people Charizard=Gen 1=Red.
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>>40394744 I don't think of any of the champions when I think of their ace Pokemon. Only Cynthia's Garchomp is a really iconic ace anyway, because he's strong.
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>>40395241 So much this. Why do you think Red in Masters having Charizard caused such on storm here. Even if people think that Bulbasaur is the official starter, just the fact that an argument can be made for both of them means Red is far more memorable with a Charizard. Leon's just the new kid with large shoes to fill if he ever wants to be remembered.
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>>40394744 he's already more memorable than half the Champions, and we haven't even played the game yet
besides, the more you zoomers sperg about giga-zard, the more iconic it will become in the series' history
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>>40394744 >You think of Volcarona, Alder comes to mind immediately I don't tend to think about Adler at all honestly. Diantha is at least memorable because everyone shits on her but Alder is probably the most forgettable champion in the entire franchise for me. Honestly when I think Unova champion my first thought is always the "Belle is champion" trolling from when BW was first leaking.
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>>40394744 heres hoping after his schemes get exposed he changes outfits from that ridiculous sponsor ridden cape and shortsleggings to something more street
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>>40395340 What the fuck is a zoomer
What happened to 4chan lingo
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>>40394744 Except when it's revealed this guy was Red all along, he just converted to the Islamic religion and spent a little too much time on the Unovan desert
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>>40395422 Geez grandpa get with the times. Zoomer is the new underage, and boomer is the new oldfag.
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>>40395385 >he lost to N so he's not memorable okay
being the one champion you can only face postgame already makes him unique, and he has more appearances before his defeat to N than say, steven in rs did. and his distant mentor role to cheren is pretty cool
steven is more memorable in emerald, where he's not even the champion
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>>40394744 Why would I think of Blue, Red, Green, Professor Oak, or even Lance when thinking of Charizard? I’d think of Ash.
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>>40395385 >Honestly when I think Unova champion my first thought is always the "Belle is champion" trolling from when BW was first leaking. You thought of that before Magical girl Iris?
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>>40395537 It was a very memorable troll for me. I remember even after the game was released and people had played it people waiting for the English version still thought Bianca was champion.
>>40395518 Did I mention him losing to N? I just don't find him interesting or memorable the way I do other champions. There's no outright specific reason.
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>>40395004 Gen 5 wishes it could be like the other gens, but it's a joke led by James Turner getting his shitmon ideas out of the way mixed with some decent designs.
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Diantha literally showed up in two scenes and one of them was her just ignoring the genocidal retard sitting next to her. Her ace being M-Gardevoir was totally fine, it was just that her team was fucking bizarre and pretty bad (completely cucked by Aegislash; why the shit would she even have a Hawlucha?).
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>>40396079 How is Leon way, WAY worse? We don't know his team yet.
Diantha had an odd team, not well balanced but some how she became champion.
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>>40396107 >How is Leon way, WAY worse? Because he's a showboating fuck for an obviously corrupt league? We already know Rose is the villain. And his ace being shown already is fucking boring. M-Gardevoir was an actual improvement for Garevoir, a big power increase. This shit is just three turns and then back to being garbage.
So we have two completely retarded characters with bland teams, but one has a worse ace and more screentime dedicated to him being a retard.
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>>40394744 passing judgement on a game's story a month before the game is even out
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>>40394744 I actually associate alder more strongly with bouffalant.
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>>40394744 could be a fake out and he wont be the REAL champion
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>>40396179 It’s almost like Pokémon’s story is very formulaic and predictable
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>>40394839 Placing the climax of the Team Plasma plot to the very end of BW made the games pretty unique and memorable. The characters slowly built up anticipation to it throughout the game and it did not disappoint. Does every game have to have the final showdown with the villain team at the same point?
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>>40394744 >You think of Gardevoir, Wally comes to mind long before Diantha No
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>>40396130 When was corrupt league mentioned?
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>>40394744 >You think of Garchomp, Cynthia comes to mind immediately And Spiritomb and Milotic, and would be Lucario if it weren't for Riley. A memorable Champion has their team remembered, not the other way around.
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>>40394744 They should have made Corviknight his ace
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This dude is just Kukui in a wig.
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>>40394973 I have no doubt he'll be plot relevant, but OP seemed to use "champion" and "final boss" interchangeably, which isn't always the case. I'd put my money on Oleana or Chairman Rose being the final boss, not Leon.
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>>40396331 The BEST part of BW is fighting the villian leader and the champion at the same time.
It's basic story telling and it frustrates me to no end that GF seems to outright refuse to have basic climaxes in their games.
Heck I'd be okay with fighting the evil team after the champion, that would be sick.
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>>40395385 i concur like whomst the fuck is Alder
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>>40395518 I fought Alder a billion times in order to get my pokemon to lvl 100 and even I don't really think about Alder when Volcarona comes to mind. It's like Altaria and Winona or Glalie and Glacia
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im looking forward to sweeping his team and stealth rocking his trash charizard.
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>>40396331 The evil team has always been the absolute worst part of every Pokemon game until Gen VII, when Team Skull beat the odds. (or I guess you could say OR/AS, where Zinnia bottomed out writing quality in any medium)
There are thousands of JRPGs where you save the world/country from the bad guys. Pokemon should not have tried to become one of them, especially since GameFreak have demonstrated zero ability to write a decent story.
