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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:32:04 No.40534072 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>40534616 >>40534764 >>40535058

Does anyone else on this board play VGC or doubles? Wanna talk about it in this thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:33:21 No.40534085 Report

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No but I play the GameCube games and I love double battles.
Discuss away

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:35:15 No.40534105 Report

Quoted By: >>40534130 >>40534217 >>40534267 >>40534444 >>40534764

Yeah okay. I'm still trying to plot my team for Gen 8, at least tentatively given that we don't yet know all of the new things coming.

I'm thinking of focusing around accuracy drops (Muddy Water) and stat drops (Snarl, Intimidate) to force my opponent to dance their Pokémon around while I set up Spikes and status via Butterfree (Sleep Powder on normal, then the big Gigantamax bullshit). I'm currentlu thinking Butterfree, Scrafty, Gyarados, Ferrothorn, Mamoswine, and Gastrodon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:37:31 No.40534130 Report

Quoted By: >>40534172 >>40534197

>>40534105
Can Butterfree even last one turn if outspeeded without going B I G?

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:41:46 No.40534172 Report

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>>40534130
Butterfree does NOT have good bulk and it has poor speed to boot. Since apparently you can't Dynamax turn 1 you'd have to protect/fake out or rely on prediction just to give it a chance. I was high on GMax Butterfree when I first saw it, but now i'm lowering my expectations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:43:15 No.40534197 Report

Quoted By: >>40534268

>>40534130
I have a weird plan. Compoundeyes, Choice Scarf, Sleep Powder. Scrafty with Fake Out. Butterfree leads by Sleeping something, Scrafty Flinches the other thing. From there, it depends on how Gigantamaxing works. If it resets the Scarf, I'm in the money. If not, I'll swap Butterfree out and bring it in later on a predicted opponent's swap.

It's weird, I honestly don't know how it'll work out, but I'll give it a test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:43:34 No.40534201 Report

Quoted By: >>40534216

There's always lots of VGC talk when a new gen launches, everyone is just sick of gen 7 competitive right now. I've been theorying some stuff but it's honestly a waste of time when we know so little about the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:44:25 No.40534216 Report

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>>40534201
Gen 7 was DoA for me thanks to festival plaza, didn't even bother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:44:28 No.40534217 Report

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>>40534105
>Scrafty
I expect him to see a lot of play this season with Tony the Tiger and Lando-T gone. Intimidate/Fake Out is always good and he'll only face competition from Hitmontop and Arcanine unless there's a new Pokemon with a similar niche.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:45:24 No.40534227 Report

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>still no stantler buff that allows it to abuse its intimidate/trick room combo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:47:44 No.40534267 Report

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>>40534105
>plot my team for gen 8
Why? It’s gonna be 10fps feces behind the worst in-game since SM. Why even play it? And even if you were that much of a masochist, you couldn’t plot your team anyway, half the roster got discontinued. Gone. We have no idea what we’ll get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:47:45 No.40534268 Report

Quoted By: >>40534392

>>40534197
That is kinda gimmicky but it sounds interesting enough to try out. If I'm the opponent though and I see Butterfree, my first thought is going to be how can I deal with a Quiver Dance or Sleep Powder. You could test the lead out on Showdown and see how it can be improved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 17:57:37 No.40534392 Report

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>>40534268
I did try a similar lead in VGC18, but Alolan Persian with Snarl and Z-Parting Shot instead. Worked great as a lead designed to disrupt my opponent's lead. Only reason I didn't stick with it was that Butterfree became dead weight after the lead, which I'm hoping Gigantamax will fix.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:00:20 No.40534421 Report

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I like doing mono-Ground in VGC, so almost absolutely nothing has been revealed that is relevant to me yet.
- I like the new items Room Service and Eject Pack. The former will be good for a few mons that normally perform poorly under room conditions that I would like to run on room teams, like Mamoswine. The latter basically turns things like Hammer Arm into U-Turn for one instance, but I see it more as counterplay to Intimidate users. Lots of Ground mons rely on their attack stat and this item makes it a lot easier to lead with a physical attacker if I see an intimidator on the other team.
- If Teleport carries over it's Let's Go Pee mechanic then that will make Claydol even better at support. I can set Trick Room or Gravity and completely safely bring in a sweeper at the end of the next turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:02:34 No.40534444 Report

Quoted By: >>40534503 >>40534533

>>40534105
i dont think stats drops will be good idea with abilities like corviknight or the new eject button for stat drop

i also kinda see this board lacking doubles discussion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:08:00 No.40534503 Report

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>>40534444
That's a good point. Not enough people are mentioning the effect that Corviknight will have on VGC. I expect it to really lower the prevalence on mons like Arcanine and Hitmontop at least as leads because Mirror Armor is so good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:11:22 No.40534533 Report

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>>40534444
Quads makes a very valid point. If nothing else, I need to make sure I'm prepared for a Corviknight. In theory Arcanine would be a great counter, if not for the bounced Intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:12:01 No.40534544 Report

Quoted By: >>40534582

>>40534503
Does Mirror Armor prevent stat drops for ally? Does it reflect drops at both opponent's?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:15:00 No.40534582 Report

Quoted By: >>40534768

>>40534544
Furthermore, if it does bounce it back at both allies, what if one ally is a Corviknight? Will everyone just be -6'd?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:17:31 No.40534616 Report

Quoted By: >>40534764

>>40534072
I like doubles the best but the showdown/Twitter VGC circle jerk is just too much. The active community there is just insufferable attention whores. The game is just their vehicle to fake internet social status.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:24:10 No.40534703 Report

Quoted By: >>40534772

Corviknight's viability is likely going to fall on whether or not it gets Tailwind. As a steel type its stats are probably going to favor the defensive side so it's going to need good support moves to back up its ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:30:13 No.40534764 Report

Quoted By: >>40534905

>>40534105
Wow u r garbage lol
>>40534072
Who the fuck even wants to talk about the cumstain of a format right now that is the GS cup? You have the stupid nugget bridge circlejerk faggots mentioned in >>40534616 to thank for this new tradition by the way, since one of them got into TPCi and used his influence there to shit out the horrible format that was VGC2016.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:30:20 No.40534768 Report

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>>40534582
IIRC it only works for corviknight itself
I don't think corviknight will be meta-defining unless it's good in addition to this, I would say the ability is not as good as defiant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:30:28 No.40534772 Report

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>>40534703
If it didn't get tailwind I'd be very surprised. I wonder what other support moves its gonna get though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:42:42 No.40534905 Report

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>>40534764
I mostly meant the nu-vgc twitter shit but nuggetbridge was very "holier than thou." I don't think most of the people active during that time even still play.
That being said, VGC 16 being a shit show was not related, it was just time for the "GS cup" format again which was skipped in gen 5 due to XY being rushed out. Japan/TPC has way more influence over formats than the west could ever dream to anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:52:59 No.40535016 Report

Quoted By: >>40535027 >>40535041

BTW, is there anywhere to play the "special formats" VGC came up with for monthly competitions? I really liked things like the spooky, tiny, and single type rule sets.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:54:12 No.40535027 Report

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>>40535016
You can/could download the special ruleset used in these competitions but you need to find people manually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:54:52 No.40535041 Report

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>>40535016
Battle spot =! vgc
You can find current ones on showdown, but for past formats you're shit out of luck buddy. Festival plaza does still have the downloadable rulesets if you have a catridge and a friend that's willing to play with you though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 18:56:21 No.40535058 Report

Quoted By: >>40535192

>>40534072
I do, but I only play in my local MSS and PCs these days since the format is shit and gen 7 is ending soon anyways. The discussion will be livlier once the format changes in January.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 19:08:06 No.40535192 Report

Quoted By: >>40535301 >>40537106

>>40535058
Yeah the formats where they've allowed the restricted mons have always been pretty bad. If they cull these mons as hard as I suspect they're going to, we will never see a format like that again, thank god.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 19:18:05 No.40535301 Report

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>>40535192
Shit that's actually exciting.
Am I now making up excuses for the cut? Fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 21:30:07 No.40537106 Report

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>>40535192
I'vr never played a special VGC format before this one and am actually having fun.

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