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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:40:25 No.40743205 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>40743456 >>40743482 >>40743504 >>40743523 >>40745134 >>40745733 >>40746196 >>40746342 >>40746572 >>40747713 >>40747857 >>40749831 >>40750316

Where is Ken Sugimori?!
We need this guy back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:46:02 No.40743429 Report

Quoted By: >>40743482 >>40746275

YES WE FUCKING DO.

God, his old works inspired me so much that I literally bought a japanese-only art book just so I could look at his work in completion.

He always drew pokemon with respect, like they were real animals with real life behind their eyes. These new mons feel like cheap little toys for children to collect and throw away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:46:38 No.40743456 Report

Quoted By: >>40743482

>>40743205
Wait, is he not working on this game at all?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:46:57 No.40743467 Report

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Maybe he will return after the Masters flop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:47:13 No.40743482 Report

Quoted By: >>40745134

>>40743205
>>40743429
>>40743456
you know even in the earliest gens only a chunk of the designs were done by him

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:47:46 No.40743504 Report

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>>40743205
hes literally doing the official art

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:48:08 No.40743523 Report

Quoted By: >>40743580

>>40743205
Yes, lets get Toriya....I mean Sugimori back and working under James Turner

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:49:18 No.40743580 Report

Quoted By: >>40743683

>>40743523
>we will never have Toriyama as the art director of pokemon
Feels bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:49:59 No.40743613 Report

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He still looks over the designs anons, if he didn’t like any he would probably outright say it...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:50:50 No.40743659 Report

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>cúmbrain crying over a cúmbrain
Nah, we're better shot of the pair of ye. Do one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:51:21 No.40743683 Report

Quoted By: >>40744062

>>40743580
The reason I meme'd about Toriyama is because it's someone who Sugimori was clearly inspired by to the point where they used to have an extremely similar artstyle

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 02:59:04 No.40744062 Report

Quoted By: >>40745195 >>40745737

>>40743683
You don't say.
But anyway, it would be cool to see what Toriyama could make with pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:12:40 No.40744639 Report

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How about Atsuko Nishida

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:23:23 No.40745134 Report

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>>40743205
Masters. Though indeed. We need either him or Ohmura (Gen 7 AD) back ASAP.

>>40743482
You know even in Gen 1 - 6 he was the art director meaning he had final say on everything, right?

He literally could and seemingly did (given Gen 8's shit) tell them to go back to the drawing board and at the very least wouldn't okay things until the littlest details were good like the freckles on Oshawott.

Meanwhile it's like Turner a-okayed everything that crossed his desk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:24:40 No.40745195 Report

Quoted By: >>40745698

>>40744062
Nah, the monsters in his series are kind meh and you definitely don't want him doing characters unless you want 16 Trunks in your game.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:31:45 No.40745519 Report

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>Pokemon lost without Sugimori
>SMT hopelessly lost without Kaneko
Monster design cohesion is one of the most important things to a franchise.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:35:45 No.40745698 Report

Quoted By: >>40749223

>>40745195
>16 Trunks
Better than chipmunk teeth. Plus the pokemon this gen are awful, so why not give him a chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:36:41 No.40745733 Report

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>>40743205
Jacking off to Princess Peach

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:36:45 No.40745737 Report

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>>40744062
>Akira Toriyama
Oooooosone someone hasn't heard of Dragon Warrior Monsters all the way back on the GBC! Haha

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:37:23 No.40745757 Report

Quoted By: >>40745953

Here's your ken sug designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:42:30 No.40745953 Report

Quoted By: >>40746469

>>40745757
Durant is better than anything from gen 8 and I am being 100% fucking serious.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:48:12 No.40746196 Report

Quoted By: >>40746400

>>40743205
>some of the new pokemon are ugly
>so we need the hack who designed venushit, combusken, palkia and heatmor to come back

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:49:42 No.40746275 Report

Quoted By: >>40746321 >>40746952

>>40743429

I miss this energy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:50:46 No.40746321 Report

Quoted By: >>40746394 >>40746952

>>40746275

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:51:09 No.40746342 Report

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>>40743205
Too busy jerking off to waifu Princess Peach

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:52:17 No.40746394 Report

Quoted By: >>40746455 >>40746952

>>40746321

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:52:20 No.40746400 Report

Quoted By: >>40746509 >>40747022

>>40746196
>YOUNG Sugimori should come back

He's not the same artist he is today.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:53:26 No.40746455 Report

Quoted By: >>40746509 >>40746952

>>40746394

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:53:42 No.40746469 Report

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>>40745953
Yeah and i love my mom's dog and guy in karate clothing too

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:54:31 No.40746509 Report

Quoted By: >>40746571 >>40746952 >>40747822 >>40748461

>>40746400
He was sterilized by being asked to draw rigid and accurate models for reference instead of using his natural style.

>>40746455

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:55:35 No.40746571 Report

Quoted By: >>40746632 >>40746952

>>40746509

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:55:35 No.40746572 Report

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>>40743205
He's likely still around but just being a mentor for Turner, helping him figure out what can work best for Pokemon designs and what doesn't fit the style.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:56:49 No.40746632 Report

Quoted By: >>40746681 >>40746715 >>40746952

>>40746571
Gengar's is dope here

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:57:56 No.40746681 Report

Quoted By: >>40746882 >>40746952

>>40746632
based Weepinbell

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 03:58:30 No.40746715 Report

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>>40746632
That krabby and kingler are fucking based

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:01:51 No.40746882 Report

Quoted By: >>40746967

>>40746681

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:03:42 No.40746952 Report

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>>40746275
>>40746321
>>40746394
>>40746455
>>40746509
>>40746571
>>40746632
>>40746681
SOUL

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:03:57 No.40746967 Report

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>>40746882

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:04:57 No.40747022 Report

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>>40746400
YOUNG sugimori designed one of the ugliest pokemon in the history of the franchise.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:06:49 No.40747116 Report

Quoted By: >>40747212

>>40747022
You take that back about my boy

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:07:54 No.40747151 Report

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>>40746967

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:08:58 No.40747192 Report

Quoted By: >>40747259

>>40747151

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:09:35 No.40747212 Report

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>>40747116
even sugimori himself admits that venushit was a mistake.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:10:30 No.40747259 Report

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>>40747192

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:11:34 No.40747309 Report

Quoted By: >>40747357

>>40747259

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:12:36 No.40747356 Report

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Just go jack off to Akira Toriyama drawings. Sugimori mimics the popular

He's also the one behind Masters

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:12:37 No.40747357 Report

Quoted By: >>40747587

>>40747309

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:13:21 No.40747390 Report

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All this early watercolor is great, but did we forget that Sugimori was working last gen? There isn't too much of a wild difference between 7 and 8. The only real difference in the quality of illustration of character art. That's the shit that's atrocious and got hit the fucking hardest. The line work makes everything look so soulless.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:14:13 No.40747426 Report

Quoted By: >>40748105

Jacking off to anime girls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:16:18 No.40747517 Report

Quoted By: >>40747595

Sugimori understood how to make actual monsters and animals.
This turner guy is just taking any fucking cartoon he can think of and says "yeah this is a pokemon now"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:16:25 No.40747525 Report

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I spent countless hours as a kid drawing reference art from the first two gens of pokemon cards. I still draw today, and Sugimori's art really influenced me. I think his absence is the biggest problem with the newer entries. I love that watercolor ink shading he always used to do, and pokemon always had fairly realistic musculature despite being fantasy creatures. It grounded them in a way that made them way more memorable. A lot of newer designs are as good or better than kanto/johto, but the artstyle lets them down.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:17:19 No.40747571 Report

Quoted By: >>40747701

The dream team:

Tajiri
Morimoto
Sugimori

You know it to be true.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:17:38 No.40747587 Report

Quoted By: >>40747655

>>40747357

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:17:47 No.40747595 Report

Quoted By: >>40747778

>>40747517
>Sugimori understood how to make actual monsters and animals.
sugimori designed the magnemite and klink lines.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:19:04 No.40747655 Report

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>>40747587

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:19:46 No.40747701 Report

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>>40747571
And have Urobuchi and Tomino write the story.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:20:04 No.40747713 Report

Quoted By: >>40747796

>>40743205
It's the dawn of a new age, anon. Ohmori directing the games, Turner as art director, Masuda culling the Dex and ending an important tradition...

Maybe it really is time to pack it up...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:21:08 No.40747762 Report

Quoted By: >>40747822 >>40747936

you guys do realize that sugimori didnt just do all your favorite gen 1 promo material, right? he did basically everything from gens 1-7

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:21:32 No.40747774 Report

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sugimori is a fucking hack

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:21:43 No.40747778 Report

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>>40747595
No he didn't. Klink line was by Keiko Moritsugu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:22:05 No.40747796 Report

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>>40747713
I'm still annoyed about the dex culling. They say it's because there are too many pokemon- why do they need to always add so many new pokemon each generation, then? I'd rather have 20 really well designed pokemon than 150 just for the sake of it. They brought it on themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:22:45 No.40747822 Report

Quoted By: >>40747975

>>40747762
see
>>40746509

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:23:40 No.40747857 Report

Quoted By: >>40748351

>>40743205
>this guy, his bug catching friend, and a handful of budding artists created some of the best, albeit a bit "boring", pokemon to date
>a multi billion dollar company can't
pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:25:36 No.40747936 Report

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>>40747762
NO NINTENDO MADE HIM STOP AND BOW TO SJWS AND CAL-ARTS AND MY MOM AND THEY HAVE NO CREATIVE CONTROL

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:26:29 No.40747975 Report

Quoted By: >>40748189

>>40747822
ah yes obviously it was some evil outside force that is out to ruin everything you held dear as a child that fucked up sugimoris art style and made you hate pokemon. grow the fuck up

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:27:38 No.40748028 Report

Quoted By: >>40749360

I miss the old pokemon card art

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:29:29 No.40748105 Report

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>>40747426
>needing fucking google to translate kawaiidesune

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:31:01 No.40748189 Report

Quoted By: >>40748226 >>40748471

>>40747975
That's an oddly salty response for a pretty neutral statement. Are you OK? Do you need a break from the internet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:31:57 No.40748226 Report

Quoted By: >>40748258

>>40748189
Says the guy who used "Sterilized" to describe the art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:32:45 No.40748258 Report

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>>40748226
>guy
I have bad news for you anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:34:44 No.40748351 Report

Quoted By: >>40749769

>>40747857
The thing about early pokemon is that the designs are more believable for the mort part, so they didn't need to all be completely unique and exciting. You could see crossover between most of them which made it seem like certain pokemon had common ancestors, for example eye and ear shapes. The new games don't have that at all. Every pokemon seems to have completely different features with no thought to where they'd live or how they fit into the environment. Turner made that comment about why a pokemon would have horns instead of slapping them on, but they're obviously guilty of doing just that. When pokemon was imagined as a single region, the ecology made sense for the most part. Even ugly shit like the voltorb and magnemite lines could be explained as the life being in electrical surges at the power plant, as there are already other artificially created pokemon in the generation. The really weird looking pokemon like Mr Mime aren't naturally found in the wild either, which again makes sense. They're weird and they don't fit. None of that thought goes into current gen pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:37:03 No.40748461 Report

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>>40746509
Does that Rattata have a DBA aura?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:37:31 No.40748471 Report

Quoted By: >>40748646

>>40748189
honestly? probably, because this board says some stupid fucking shit sometimes. for example, people thinking that some outside force totally made sugimori change his art style because theres no possible way his art could have evolved over time on its own

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:41:55 No.40748646 Report

Quoted By: >>40749112

>>40748471
Not the same anon, but it's totally plausible that his artstyle changed with some influence from his colleagues or superiors. If he's drawing nothing but pokemon while constantly being advised in certain ways it's obviously going to rub off on him over time. It doesn't need to be a conspiracy theory, it could just be closer to what he wanted all along, but it's a possibility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:53:19 No.40749106 Report

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He's an anime nerd who was mimicking the Dragon Quest art from the games he was playing at the time. Modern anime has a different style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:53:35 No.40749112 Report

Quoted By: >>40749182 >>40749251

>>40748646
well yeah, clearly, but its not like it was a sudden shift during the last 2 gens. shit, 15 years ago during gen 3 you could already see him designing a lot of pokemon with more simplistic shapes, like salamence

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:55:08 No.40749182 Report

Quoted By: >>40749251

>>40749112
>its not like it was a sudden shift during the last 2 gens

I don't think anyone's denying that, I've only posted art from gen 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:56:02 No.40749223 Report

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>>40745698
>the pokemon this gen are awful
They're still better than Gen 5's designs.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:56:37 No.40749251 Report

Quoted By: >>40749327

>>40749112
>>40749182
My point is as soon as it became apparent that Pokemon was a big hit he had to reign in the quirkiness a little and draw more professional static reference images like pic related.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:58:29 No.40749327 Report

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>>40749251
another hting you really should consider is that gen 1 was largely the leftovers from the original pocket monsters concept. even the gen 2 designs were pretty different, and that can be seen as the time when pokemon was finding its own style and hitting its stride

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 04:59:09 No.40749360 Report

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>>40748028
Arita is still drawing absolute masterworks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 05:10:09 No.40749769 Report

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>>40748351
Speaking of wacky pokemon and their placement in the world, I've always thought there should be more methods to obtaining them. For all pokemon, really. More in-game trades, gifts, prizes, or even a new method for befriending pokemon. Imagine a Mr Mime you could interact with inside a theater that would eventually join you. Or a Machoke you could fight in the gym. A Magnemite that forms when you collect enough scrap and bring it to a generator. Or a Magneton if you gather more. A lot of wasted potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 05:11:24 No.40749831 Report

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>>40743205
he's still trying to get a rom hack of super mario world, every character is peach, onto the mega drive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2019 05:24:47 No.40750316 Report

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>>40743205
He's working on a failing gacha game.

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