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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:02:17 No.40824107 View View Reply Original Report

What generation did Gen 1 pandering truly start?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:03:02 No.40824131 Report

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>>40824107
Gen 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:03:17 No.40824137 Report

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define "pandering." If it's just "game freak is giving attention to things I don't like", then always.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:03:53 No.40824155 Report

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>>40824107
XY

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:04:06 No.40824159 Report

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>>40824107
6

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:04:20 No.40824169 Report

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Gen 2
>OH MY GOD TRAINER DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID? YOU JUST TOOK YOUR FIRST STEP INTO KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:04:36 No.40824180 Report

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>>40824107
Gen 2

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:05:08 No.40824201 Report

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>>40824107
Forced Pidgey encounter in XY

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:05:16 No.40824209 Report

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>>40824107
Logically speaking, it has to be Gen 3. Gen 1 can't really be blamed for being itself and Gen 2 was designed to be a direct sequel, so it wasn't really pandering so much as continuing exactly where Gen 1 left off. Then Gen 3 comes along and gives us FRLG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:06:48 No.40824257 Report

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>>40824107
Gotta say late gen 3 and gen 4..
It became blatant in Gen 6 though, when they gave 4 megas to gen 1 starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:07:18 No.40824270 Report

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>>40824209
That was just as a way to get most of the cut pokemon back into circulation. It really only became pandering when XY made its identity around KANTOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:08:06 No.40824288 Report

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>>40824107
1 with yellow
pandering is not a bad thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:08:14 No.40824295 Report

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It was always there but Gen 6 is when they turned it up to 11

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:09:08 No.40824334 Report

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Gen VI

>>40824209

FRLG isn't genwun pandering. I felt threatened and betrayed by remakes of RBY so soon after GSC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:09:11 No.40824336 Report

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>>40824107
gen 2 arguably, because the main region is overrun with KANTOOOO mons and is but a tumor attached to big boy Kanto
but the real cancer kicked in after gen 5, because retarded burgers ragged so much on the ice cream and garbage mons that masuda decided to shove KANTOOOO down everyone's throats
gen 5 was the worst seller, gen 6 was seen as a great revival of the franchise which is why kanto pandering is now the new standard
its not a matter of whether a new gen will pander to KANTOOO or not. the question is how much pandering there will be

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:09:22 No.40824343 Report

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:09:37 No.40824350 Report

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>>40824107
Gen VII, IMO. There was definitely gen I pandering going on before then, but gen VII was when it ramped up to the point of blotting out every other gen. At least gen VI gave megas to every other gen, too.

Meanwhile, Alolan forms were exclusively gen I shit and LGPE literally cut out the entire dex barring gen I and Meltan.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:09:39 No.40824352 Report

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>>40824169
>>40824180
Retard zoomers are actually saying gen 2
>gen 2 had kanto because it was the second game in the series at the time and they wanted to have all the regions together in the direct sequel
I'd say Gen 6 was really when the pandering started but if you actually call johto kanto pandering you're genuinely retarded

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:09:59 No.40824360 Report

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Kanto will forever and always be "pandered" (aka, attributed) because gen 1 is what sparked Pokemania in the 90's and the GO pokedemic in recent years.

Stay salty, nugenners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:11:30 No.40824398 Report

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What about Gen 4? Kanto Pokemon got a bunch of evolutions in that generation.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:12:04 No.40824422 Report

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>>40824137
t. butthurt genwunner

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:12:20 No.40824431 Report

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>>40824107
XY was when it started.

The problem was when people who weren't following the series at that point reacted to Gen 5 and the fact you couldn't get any older Pokemon until the post-game. Sadly the best part of BW is what made a bunch of people salty and complain when they probably weren't going to play the games anyway. Game Freak heard them and decided to pander to Gen 1 as those games were still the best sellers and most marketable to lapsed fans. XY sold very well and they decided to keep at it for Sun and Moon, partially to celebrate 20 years of Pokemon as well. Then GO happened and launched with only gen 1 and Pokemania returned. LGBT was an attempt to cash in on gen 1 nostalgia and GO's popularity to bring in GO players and lapsed fans back into the main series games.

The vast majority of the money Pokemon makes is in merchandise, some Pokemon are far more marketable than others and thus get the most love as they'll make the most money. Nobody is going to buy Stantler or even Blastoise merchandise compared to Charizard merchandise. Gigantamax Charizard will make TPC far more money than your "shouldermon" ever will.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:13:46 No.40824484 Report

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>>40824270
>a remake isn't pandering but kanto pokemon showing up in a pokemon game is

See how retarded and arbitrary this is?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:14:30 No.40824510 Report

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>>40824352
Opinions from stupid piece of shit frogposters don't matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:14:30 No.40824511 Report

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>>40824398
Ahh yes, great Kanto Pokemon like Kirlia, Dusclops, Togetic, Murkrow, Misdrevius, Piloswine, Gligar, Snowrunt and Nosepass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:14:45 No.40824522 Report

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I think Gen 4 despite had lots of Kantomons Evos, it felt like something should have happened at least on Gen 3. But Gen 6 did it on a whole new level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:15:58 No.40824565 Report

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>>40824107
5.
>try to make a soft reboot
>completely fall flat on its face
>"oh shit what do we do to salvge this"
>add some Kanto mons to the dex, giving in-universe justification that they've been naturalized
>"get the chance to fight living legends Red and Blue from the Kanto region in our post game, as well as get to meet rising star Sabrina from Kanto "

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:16:03 No.40824567 Report

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>>40824107
Kanto pandering always existed
Even Unova which initially didn't have any other region mon in their regional dex had a lot of mons that were direct parallels to Kantomon

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:16:31 No.40824582 Report

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GEN 6 WITH FAGGOTZARD GETTING 2 MEGAS

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:16:32 No.40824584 Report

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>>40824510
>IS THAT A FROG
>ON 4CHAN
>ON MY BOARD?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:17:18 No.40824612 Report

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>>40824107
Returning to Kanto is as Gen 1 pandering as it can get. It's Gen 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:18:21 No.40824645 Report

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>>40824484
Remakes aren't pandering

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:18:52 No.40824663 Report

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>>40824511
>Snowrunt
retard
>>40824584
Nice selfie
>STOP HATING THE FROG! REEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:19:49 No.40824690 Report

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>>40824645
Neither is a Pokemon showing up in a Pokemon game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:20:05 No.40824701 Report

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>>40824107
Gen 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:20:52 No.40824725 Report

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>>40824107
Gen 6.
Funny how gen 8's has it yet doesn't, the obvious being gigas and leon's charizard, yet it got a lower representation in the regional dex compared to unova.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:21:09 No.40824730 Report

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>>40824690
It is when the Pokemon is brought back, shown to be vastly superior to the new Pokemon and it and the region it comes from is idolized/worshiped by the characters in game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:21:33 No.40824740 Report

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>>40824159
Correct answer here.
When charizard got 2 megas, we shoulda seen this future coming.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:21:33 No.40824741 Report

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>>40824107
It's always been there
>gen 2 had kanto
>gen 3 had kanto remakes
>gen 4 had kanto Pokémon have new evos
>gen 5 tried to be its own thing but the pokedex was kinda made on the footprint of kanto's one
>gen 6 had a lot of kantomons, kanto starters, kanto megas
>gen 7 had kanto alola forms and another kanto remake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:22:35 No.40824772 Report

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>>40824510
go back to resetera you faggot tranny

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:22:41 No.40824779 Report

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>>40824730
>It is when the Pokemon is brought back, shown to be vastly superior to the new Pokemon
where?

>and it and the region it comes from is idolized/worshiped by the characters in game
woah...you mean....pokemon characters in the pokemon universe like other regions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:23:11 No.40824800 Report

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>>40824398
pandering =/= giving a gen something
That's like saying Unova having a lot of mons in Galar is Unova pandering

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:23:30 No.40824813 Report

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>>40824772
Go back to /pol/, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:23:43 No.40824820 Report

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6 because that was where the trend of the protag having moved to the new region from Kanto started

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:24:13 No.40824840 Report

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>>40824565
>get the chance to fight living legends Red and Blue from the Kanto region in our post game
as well as all the gym leaders from all the other generations
im convinced these are baitposts by genwunners, no one is this stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:24:15 No.40824842 Report

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>>40824741
>gen 5 tried to be its own thing
they literally tried to copy the formula of gen 1 to the point where almost every "new" pokemon was an equivalent of a gen 1 mon, how is that doing its own thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:25:49 No.40824882 Report

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>>40824107
Not gen 2, that was a direct sequel. Gen 3 while it did have Kanto remakes, that doesn’t really count. Gen 4 didn’t have anything, and while Gen 5s dex was very clearly influenced by Kanto, that’s not exactly pandering. Leaving Gen 6, when they give you Kanto starters, Mewtwo, and the Birds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:26:46 No.40824909 Report

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>>40824882
>an entire game dedicated to gen 1 isn't pandering but gift pokemon are pandering

underagefags are fucking hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:27:07 No.40824924 Report

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>>40824612
You are a dumb fuck anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:27:28 No.40824933 Report

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In which generation was Pokémon created and forged the way for an earth-shaking franchise?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:28:50 No.40824971 Report

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>>40824909
Remaking isn’t pandering you subhuman ape hybrid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:29:06 No.40824980 Report

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>>40824510
Frogposter or not, he's still got a point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:29:30 No.40824989 Report

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>>40824971
Gift Pokemon isn't pandering you subhuman zoomer hybrid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:30:25 No.40825017 Report

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>>40824909
Remakes strike me as more of a generic cash grab than as pandering to any specific gen. I don't consider the later remakes Johto or Hoenn pandering either, just GF knowing that it can make money with less effort by remaking their games every ten years.

Unown

Unown Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:31:28 No.40825050 Report

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It isn't pandering if Gold and Silver were designed to be sequels, hence the "Pocket Monsters 2" project name. FRLG made sense (although I would have preferred more sequels), and removing Kanto from HGSS would have been silly. Even LGPE were released almost 15 years after FRLG.

In XY the higher count (even percentage-wise) of Kanto Pokemon could be considered as pandering for the sake of pandering. It was mostly surprising after BW. I don't blame them for giving the starters and Mewtwo Megas because why limit the feature to "ordinary" Pokemon? They wanted the new Pokemon to get their own identities without Megas. Charizard and Mewtwo didn't need two of those, though.

There should have been more regional forms for other regions (even in SwSh), and some of the Kanto ones are questionable. I think that's the most intrusive case of pandering (maybe rivaled by Leon's Charizard), but a lot of these forms feel too wishy-washy for me to care.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:34:21 No.40825126 Report

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>>40824980
>hahaha it is not pandering because muh childhood
Fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:36:37 No.40825208 Report

Quoted By: >>40825251

>>40824989
In XY (You) literally can't finish the game without encountering Pidgey as your first pokemon, entering Santalune forest(which is just a tile for tile remake of Viridian Forest), fighting Snorlax after using the pokeflute and being forced to take a Lapras. Also the postgame is just the Kanto legendaries

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:37:05 No.40825222 Report

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>>40824842
He literally said that, learn to read.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:38:14 No.40825251 Report

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>>40825208
holy shit bros....you can't finish a mario game without encountering a koopa....fucking mushroom kingdom pandering....

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:38:18 No.40825254 Report

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>>40824352
It’s definitely gen6 and you’re right about under aged retards thinking anything before was pandering. With all 3 Gen1 starters getting a mega and a Chariard and Mewtwo getting 2.

But at the same time I’m not even mad at the pandering. I’d hardly call anything we’ve seen on gen 8 gen 1 pandering. So Charizard is the only starter not from gen 8, but fuck, he’s just popular. Lucario made it too and he gets the same Charizard treatment.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:39:02 No.40825280 Report

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>>40824107
Kanto pandering started in Gen 6, and this is why:

Genwunners became a thing when normalfag meme incubators started popping. The 90s nostalgia came with them, people wanted something from MUH CHILDHOOD when we used to have only 150 Pokemon and CHARIZARD and MEWTWO!!!

What did Gamefreak release that time?
Black and White.
Games so detached from Kanto, they even replaced Zubat, who was in every cave in every game before that.
As a result, they got hit with the genwunner bullshit:
>they made trash a pokemon
>they made ice-cream a pokemon
>they made rock a pokemon
>member when we had squirltle and charizard and mewtwo that was good times

Gamefreak missed their chance to capitalize then and now are desperately trying to catch up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:42:12 No.40825374 Report

Quoted By: >>40825590 >>40825611

>>40824924
Where am I wrong? How is going to Kanto not pandering to Kanto?

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:45:12 No.40825475 Report

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>>40824772
>>40824510

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:48:48 No.40825590 Report

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>>40825374
Because it's actually Kanto and not a Kanto reference slapped without rhyme or reason in a different region(like Santalune Forest in XY and Nugget Bridge in SM)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:49:18 No.40825611 Report

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>>40825374
Pandering is trying to appeal to fans of an entry earlier in the franchise. The remakes have a completely different target audience from the originals, so by definition they are not pandering.
XY literally has the Mega-capable Kanto starters upstage your Kalos starters halfway through the story, which reduces Kalos from a distinct region with its own native Pokemon to a genwar battleground where your Gen I starter proves its superiority over a Mega Gyarados and Mega Gardevoir, starring both the price of the region (Lysandre) an a immigrant from another region (Diantha).

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 16:50:39 No.40825658 Report

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>>40824107
Gen 5 when the entire game was kantoooooo with a reskin

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:00:37 No.40825979 Report

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>>40824209
Nigger, making a game with Kanto in it isn't pandering. Pandering is when you make a game in an all-new region and fill it with Kanto shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:02:19 No.40826034 Report

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>>40825611
>The remakes have a completely different target audience from the originals
Are you retarded? Part of the entire point of remakes is to pander to people who grew up with the originals.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:04:27 No.40826104 Report

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>>40824107
this image is so fucking good at so many levels

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:07:04 No.40826199 Report

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>>40824107
Gen 6. When the starters of the region were the gen1 starters instead of the gen6 starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:09:35 No.40826274 Report

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>>40824107
technically, since gen1
but I'd say, Gen6

>>40824565
how is a soft-reboot pandering?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:10:59 No.40826324 Report

Quoted By: >>40826433

>>40826034
>Part of the entire point of remakes is to pander to people who grew up with the originals.

Why would I want to play a remake when I get triggered by change?
I'd just play the originals, dumbass.
The remakes are targeted at retards like you who can't live without abilities or gimmicky shit like Megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:13:37 No.40826416 Report

Quoted By: >>40826608

>>40825590
GSC didn't have to have Kanto in it. Deciding to connect the two regions is as arbitrary as any other reference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:14:08 No.40826431 Report

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Gen 6 and BW2 to an extent all because of the reaction to BW from people who weren't even playing the games. But I honestly wouldn't say BW2 had Kanto pandering, if anything I would argue BW2 was a celebration of the franchise as a whole with the PWT and multiple cameo appearances throughout the game. BW2 was very much the natural continuation of the franchise and pokemon world. XY felt more self contained in terms of world building which I think is evidenced by Red appearing in concept art and Blue being mentioned in game and the strange souvenir being nothing.

The "fan" reaction to BW really killed the identity of a region. Kalos for example had a diverse dex and an interesting layout, but paid a lot of tribute to Gen 1 while shafting other gens. Alola introduced regional forms but limited them to Kanto pokemon while giving you a Alolan Professor Oak and bringing back Red and Blue among other things. Even now in Galar the regional formes are heavily on the Kanto side.

Genwunners hold the franchise back by insulting it with every step and they'll never come back yet Masuda and Ohmori desperately cater to them. It's sad because you can see how much love was put into Gen 5 and how much potential there was in 6 and 7, but there's a lack of passion in the world design with Kanto needing to be prevalent. One thing that really bothered me was people justifying all the Gen 1 pandering as "it's Red and Blue's anniversary", but more than Red and Blue it's the franchise's anniversary.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:14:15 No.40826433 Report

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>>40826324
>Why would I want to play a remake when I get triggered by change?
because not everyone is autistic like you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:15:20 No.40826474 Report

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>>40824107
BW2 when people got upset at BW1 for not having KANTOOO

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:16:26 No.40826513 Report

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>>40824107
Genwun pandering was there from day 1 and never left.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:18:00 No.40826566 Report

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>>40824336
>gen 5 was the worst seller, gen 6 was seen as a great revival of the franchise which is why kanto pandering is now the new standard
why does everyone say Gen5 sold bad? this is not true, it sold about the same as Gen3 and Gen4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:19:10 No.40826601 Report

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>>40824107
gen 2. finding a johto pokemon in johto is like finding a needle in a haystack, and then you take your first step into KANTOOOOOOOO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:19:14 No.40826606 Report

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>>40824107
Obviously 6

>Gen 5 removes all older pokémon until post game
>Japs get mad apparently
>Gamefreak in all their incompetence, think this means people prefer Red/Blue
>XY gives us Kanto starters, Viridian Forest 2, and duo megas for Mewtwo and Charizard
>SM gives us Regional forms but only for Kanto pokemon
>Pikachu pandering
>All of LGPE
It'll only get worse too

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:19:16 No.40826608 Report

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>>40826416
>Deciding to connect the two regions is as arbitrary as any other reference
Objectively wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:21:03 No.40826674 Report

Quoted By: >>40826706

>>40825050
>It isn't pandering if Gold and Silver were designed to be sequels
but they aren't sequels. they're expansion packs sold for full price. ruby/sapphire were the first true pokemon sequels because they weren't a 90% rehash of the previous game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:21:05 No.40826676 Report

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>>40824107
The moment Ash kept Pikachu but ditched the rest of his team for the first time

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:21:31 No.40826691 Report

Quoted By: >>40826889

>>40824107
Gen 6, most megas were of gen 1 pokemon, and charizard and Mewtwo got 2 each. Not to mention an entire high budget mini series based around a re-telling of red and blue versions that was 20 times better looking than the ashime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:22:00 No.40826706 Report

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>>40826674
>Expansion packs
>GBC

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:22:17 No.40826717 Report

Quoted By: >>40826797

It is important to understand that pandering exists within the context of marketing; i.e. focusing efforts on a specific or group of fans and pouring efforts and resources to that group while SIMULTANEOUSLY ignoring other groups. You cannot label something pandering without first understanding this.

Gen 2
>The direct sequel originally to be called "Pokemon 2". At this time, regional labels were not the focus of the generations. During gen 1, we heard "the pokemon world" as a description of Kanto more often than Kanto itself; fans amassed by gen 1 were called "Pokemon fans," not "Kanto fans," consequently, Gold/Silver were games that were marketed to all "Pokemon fans" by including all Pokemon plus new Pokemon, not "Kanto pokemon," as new generations grew to emphasize as each game past gen 3 focused on its self contained region. The term "Kanto" is gen 2 is used solely to differentiate itself from Johto regionally and not the Pokemon themselves; we never hear about "Kanto pokemon or "Johto pokemon", rather "known Pokemon and new Pokemon". The series is at a point where pandering as a concept is not legitimate, for there was no niche group of "Kanto" fans; there were only Pokemon fans.

Gen 3
>Pokemon branches out from Kanto/Johto and separates its Pokemon spatially. The series is slightly retconned: no longer is the "Pokemon world" as a whole discovering new species, but instead each region has its own set of unique Pokemon to be discovered by the player, but these are not new discoveries to the inhabitants of the respective regions. Ruby/Sapphire creates the first "divide" in generational fans by not making old Pokemon available as connectivity is broken, and seemingly "replacing" them with new ones. Masuda salvages this by releasing remakes of gen 1. Although directed to appeal to prior fans, it is also a logical way to allow all players of the series to get all Pokemon. It is not prioritizing one generation over another -- a Kanto remake does not diminish Hoenn.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:24:02 No.40826772 Report

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>>40824107
6, because fags whined about not being able to play with fagizard and pikapoo in black/white, even though you could still transfer all previous pokemon in postgame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:24:37 No.40826797 Report

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>>40826717
Gen 4
>Pokemon fleshes out the idea of the self contained regions, with textual references to older regions. Similar to gen 3, GameFreak creates a remake of Gen 2 to allow access to older Pokemon. This is not Kanto pandering -- a remake of Gen 2 without Kanto is not a remake of Gen 2.

Gen 5
>A completely new regional dex excluding all older Pokemon in BW. Homages to Kanto Pokemon, but does not pander to Kanto pokemon themselves. Dreamworld has Pokemon from all prior gens.

Gen 6
>Professor gives you Kanto Pokemon. This is not the first time a professor gives you older Pokemon (ex. Birch gives you a Johto starter), but it is the first time it happens before postgame and for "free". Mega evolutions are marketed using Pokemon from various regions during pre release, but most are for Kanto pokemon in XY. Charizard and Mewtwo get two mega evolutions. Mewtwo and the legendary birds are featured as the returning legends of XY. Snorlax blocks your path. Lucario is the mascot of megas ingame, but XY is the first legitimate instance of Kanto pandering: new features are directed to them while other generations are almost ignored altogether. Kanto is prioritized.
Gen 7
>Alolan forms drive home the point. Not much to say: although megas included some pokemon from other regions, alolan forms did not.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:26:50 No.40826889 Report

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>>40826691
>most megas were of gen 1 pokemon
>13 is superior to gen 3's 20
hurr

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:40:17 No.40827423 Report

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>>40826608
>regions that are based on geographically close to each other HAVE to connect
HGSS showed that Johto could have expanded further west and still be geographically accurate to Japan. But GF chose to expand east instead in GSC into Kanto.
If regions that are based on geographic locations that are close to each other have to connect like you are presuming, then we're a Route 42 and 43 away from linking Galar to Kalos or Hoenn to Johto. But that's not guaranteed, because deciding to connect two regions is arbitrary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:41:10 No.40827454 Report

Quoted By: >>40827783

>>40824107
Gen 2. Notice how only Kanto mon got cross evolutions and pre-evos in Johto

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:50:00 No.40827783 Report

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>>40827454
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 17:58:44 No.40828041 Report

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>>40824107
Post Gen5 because Geewunners shit their pants and screamed themselves raw about G5

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:03:52 No.40828201 Report

Quoted By: >>40828478

>>40824107
XY, when they realized effort is meaningless and just shoveling pandering into people's faces will still earn them a shitload of money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:04:07 No.40828205 Report

Quoted By: >>40828290

>>40824422
>no argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:04:34 No.40828221 Report

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>>40825254
Wait, Lucario has a Gigantamax form?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:05:23 No.40828249 Report

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>>40824107
XY did it the most but it's always kinda been there

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:06:35 No.40828290 Report

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>>40828205
Genwunners don't deserve anything but to be hated

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:09:28 No.40828373 Report

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>>40824107
Tail end of Gen 5 when they arbitrarily brought back Charizard in the anime, and it did nothing. Only that Charizard was back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:12:26 No.40828478 Report

Quoted By: >>40828548

>>40828201
>when they realized effort is meaningless and just shoveling pandering into people's faces will still earn them a shitload of money.
That is GSC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:13:10 No.40828499 Report

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>>40824107
>GEN 1 PANDERING
>BLASTOISE GONE
>VENUSAUR GONE
LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:14:30 No.40828548 Report

Quoted By: >>40828688

>>40828478
How delusion can one person be lol

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:14:32 No.40828550 Report

Quoted By: >>40828660

>>40826706
what else do you call a 90% rehash of the previous game with a little bit of new content added in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:17:17 No.40828660 Report

Quoted By: >>40829025

>>40828550
Zoom zoom

Tldr Disingenuous posts like this don't require a serious engagement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:17:52 No.40828688 Report

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>>40828548
Delusion? Didn't finish the word because you're too low leveled and the last two letters are in Kanto instead of where they should be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:25:14 No.40828916 Report

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>>40824352
Ok frogposting retard,
as if every aspect of this franchise hasn't been an advertisement for another

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:26:23 No.40828955 Report

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>>40824107
6, as a response to the mixed reactions of gen 5

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:28:29 No.40829025 Report

Quoted By: >>40829151

>>40828660
i've been playing since blue. you're an actual zoomer who's too young to remember how disappointing gen 2 was after all the delays. there's a reason why gs lost millions of sales from rgb and why crystal is still arguably the biggest flop in pokemon history. the anime went from bad to irredeemable during that generation too.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:31:38 No.40829126 Report

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Gen 6, obviously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2019 18:32:30 No.40829151 Report

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>>40829025
>Unironically still fucking complaining about gen 2 delays
Get the fuck over it retard

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