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Is aegislash best pokemon insword and shield?

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:29:09 No.40857147 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>40857205 >>40857247 >>40857315 >>40857431 >>40857521 >>40859256

Since the entiere uber tier was culled and the legendarys have bad stabs against it there is nothing to counter it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:31:28 No.40857187 Report

Quoted By: >>40857221 >>40857475 >>40857482

You destroy him with taunt or trick room

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:32:11 No.40857205 Report

Quoted By: >>40857221

>>40857147
Rabbit will kill it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:33:08 No.40857221 Report

Quoted By: >>40860133

>>40857187
?
>>40857205
>pokemon is weak to weaknesses

this doesnt keep it from being the best mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:34:45 No.40857247 Report

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>>40857147
i think its going to be pretty strong, but the meta will eventually adapt, probably by borrowing a few mons from lower tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:38:40 No.40857315 Report

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>>40857147
based swordghost
mandibuzz will be relevant again

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:39:36 No.40857333 Report

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>Aegislash
>Ferrothorn
>Toxapex

I hate this meta already

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:44:21 No.40857431 Report

Quoted By: >>40857452 >>40857532

>>40857147

Hi

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:45:21 No.40857452 Report

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>>40857431
the drill couldn't stop aegislash before, i doubt things will be different this time around

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:46:03 No.40857470 Report

Quoted By: >>40857482

>You destroy a 60 base speed Pokemon with people normally going negative speed natures on it with Trick Room
All you do is make the opponent change their strategy, Aegislash users already run Shadow Sneak.
Taunt can definitely destroy him though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:46:36 No.40857475 Report

Quoted By: >>40857496 >>40858844

>>40857187
isnt aegislash slow as fuck, how does trick room affects shim

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:47:03 No.40857482 Report

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>>40857187
forgot to quote >>40857470

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:47:35 No.40857490 Report

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Aegislash mindgame was actually kinda fun. Maybe make it so that it's not as broken and make the attack -1 instead on contact, or make it so that king shield cannot block non contact attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:47:50 No.40857496 Report

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>>40857475
Makes him attack first in sword mode so you can get him there

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:49:10 No.40857521 Report

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>>40857147
No idea at all honestly.
It'll be strong for sure but the Ground types we have should be able to handle it.
Without Z-Moves, a few others (Haze Toxapex/Milotic in my mind) should be ok too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 08:49:43 No.40857532 Report

Quoted By: >>40857825

>>40857431
>switch excadrill into aegislash
>aegislash used sacred sword
>aegislash used shadow sneak

whoa great counter bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:05:24 No.40857825 Report

Quoted By: >>40858373

>>40857532
>Life Orb earthquake

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:36:49 No.40858336 Report

Quoted By: >>40858357 >>40858386 >>40858387

Don't mind me, just pursuiting some swords

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:38:02 No.40858357 Report

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>>40858336
Iron Head lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:38:52 No.40858373 Report

Quoted By: >>40860288

>>40857825
Not a OHKO, thanks for triggering my weakness policy fuccboi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:39:49 No.40858386 Report

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>>40858336
TTAR is my fuckin homie and he's in every team i ever make but hell no he gets his absolute dick removed by aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:39:54 No.40858387 Report

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>>40858336
>Sacred Sword OHKO
Yeah real fucking nice counter you fucking retard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:42:44 No.40858416 Report

Quoted By: >>40858443 >>40858457

>this thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:44:32 No.40858438 Report

Quoted By: >>40858444

In all likelihood this gen's box legends will have the stats and coverage moves to beat it despite ostensibly having a type disadvantage. Also struggles a lot with Toxapex. Easy top 5/top 10 (depending on the mythicals) mon though obviously.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:45:10 No.40858443 Report

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>>40858416
>lol dude aegislash aint even legendary whats the big deal haha
>just outspeed it lmao just switch an excadrill into it raw hahahaha
>bro its easy just hit it with something super effective lmao how is meta warping even real LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:45:27 No.40858444 Report

Quoted By: >>40858832 >>40859514

>>40858438
The box legends are going straight to Uber. Aegislash, Pex, and Ferro may too but they will surely all get tested first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 09:46:19 No.40858457 Report

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>>40858416
t-spbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:08:04 No.40858832 Report

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>>40858444
>The box legends are going straight to Uber.
Well yeah but so are Aegislash and Toxapex. I'm talking best in the whole game, not OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:08:58 No.40858844 Report

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>>40857475
Aegislash does not like going first, unless it knows it's getting the kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:27:41 No.40859256 Report

Quoted By: >>40859514

>>40857147
Galarian Weezing.
It's not the best counter, but if it comes in on Shield form, Aegislash is stuck with atrocious offences, and if it gets brought in after Aegislash pops something, it's stuck in blade form, and Weeizng is faster.

Weezing also probably still gets Flamethrower

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:34:05 No.40859390 Report

Quoted By: >>40859559

Earthquake, specially based fire mons

One happens to conveniently be in the game, starts with char, ends with zaRd

OR be a true stall fag and burn it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:38:36 No.40859514 Report

Quoted By: >>40859613

Meet Aegislash's natural predator.
>>40858444
There is really no reason to ban Ferrothorn, especially after an eventual Toxapex ban.
>>40859256
Stance Change probably can't be suppressed by Neutralizing Gas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:39:41 No.40859546 Report

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every "aegislash is balanced/can be countered" argument ends when you educate people how its effectively a 150 defense, 150 attacker at all times due to the way speed and priority work

it doesnt fucking matter if you hit it with your STAB weakness attack, it's almost guaranteed to oneshot you on the return with crazy as fuck type coverage in its own attacks

oneshotting an aegislash is something you generally need a swords dance to pull off, even with weakness/stab etc

absolutely absurd they'd include this thing in another game when it's been a proven design mistake that warps entire metagames around itself again and again

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:40:11 No.40859559 Report

Quoted By: >>40859643

>>40859390
Special attack Aegislash doesn't care about burn tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:42:29 No.40859608 Report

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>tfw this thread makes you remember all the times your Conkeldurrbro outslowed and OHKO'd Aegislash with his Knock Offs in official VGC tournaments

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:42:40 No.40859613 Report

Quoted By: >>40859744 >>40859869

>>40859514
>Stance Change probably can't be suppressed by Neutralizing Gas.
If I'm not mistaken, Stance Change has no particular protection against suppression, only against being swapped or changed.

I could certainly be wrong, I haven't had an occasion to theorycraft around Aegislash in a hot minute.

Aaand haha, no. Better than some, I'll give you that, but it doesn't 1HKO shield form, and dies to sacred sword.
Next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:44:03 No.40859643 Report

Quoted By: >>40859703

>>40859559
This.
Aegislash WANTS to run minimum speed, so often as not, they run Shadow Ball or Flash Cannon just to be safe anyways, even on a "physical" set. Base 150 with no EV or nature investment is still nothing to ignore.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:46:18 No.40859703 Report

Quoted By: >>40859776 >>40859842

>>40859643
>tried special attacker Aegislash years ago
>kept running into assault vest Goodras
>abandon the concept entirely

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:47:55 No.40859744 Report

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>>40859613
>it doesn't 1HKO shield form
Adamant has a favorable roll to one-shot and LO/CB obviously crushes it like a tin can. It's not a counter but it wins the 1v1 if you can get it in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:49:06 No.40859776 Report

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>>40859703
>assault vest Goodras
God I remember when everyone tried to make that shit work in early XY, good times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:52:11 No.40859842 Report

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>>40859703
This monster still gives me nightmares...

Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 228 HP / 176 Def / 104 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Rain Dance
- Dragon Tail
- Thunder
- Rest

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:53:10 No.40859869 Report

Quoted By: >>40859899

>>40859613
Stance Change protects against Gastro Acid and Core Enforcer, as such I can only assume Neutralizing Gas is similarly ineffective against it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:54:38 No.40859899 Report

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>>40859869
Huh. Well then, so much for Weezing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 10:59:35 No.40859981 Report

Quoted By: >>40860149 >>40860196

One of the bigger problems with Aegislash is that it has so many sets it can run alongside what is virtually 150 ATk/150 SPA/150 DEF/150 SPD that there is no real Aegislash "counter" outside of Ubers, what you only have are checks, soft checks at best. Sure, you can switch heavy offense Pokemon #341235 into it, but if it's this Aegislash set or this other Aegislash set, you're guaranteed to lose a Pokemon out of it. Aegislash can totally run Weakness Policy or Air Balloon too. If you swap in a defensive Pokemon, Aegislash can also use defensive moves too, like Toxic and substitute with leftovers, or can even be run as a wallbreaker with Swords Dance. Even in USUM, Aegislash still has a very usable and deadly niche in Ubers. And theorycrafting a way to counter Aegislash in a gutted version of the metagame is honestly kinda cute considering how hard it would rape the meta without megas. Dynamaxing only helps it too, considering that it already runs protection based moves and will very obviously be able to dynamax itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 11:05:13 No.40860076 Report

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it's called Pokemon Sword & Shield because that's all you're gonna fucking see in the metagame LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 11:07:57 No.40860133 Report

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>>40857221
Have you seen its new move?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 11:08:26 No.40860149 Report

Quoted By: >>40860190 >>40860281

>>40859981
Is Toxapex, dare I say it, our only hope?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 11:09:53 No.40860190 Report

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>>40860149
>it's another toxapex and aegislash stall meta episode

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 11:10:27 No.40860196 Report

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>>40859981
dynamax boosting HP is amazing for it too, with 150 both defenses
i'm not looking forward to the early meta of this gen

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 11:15:27 No.40860281 Report

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>>40860149
>yfw the CRUMBLER returns to nuke Pex

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 11:15:46 No.40860288 Report

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>>40858373
>implying that will certainly be in the game and doesn't have a chance of being cut like pokemon

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