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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 20:57:17 No.41101812 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>41102170 >>41102222 >>41102511 >>41102526 >>41102531 >>41102704 >>41103392 >>41103611

>Loses Knock Off AND Pursuit
What did Masuda mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:07:25 No.41102170 Report

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>>41101812
Doomed to PU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:08:44 No.41102222 Report

Quoted By: >>41102282 >>41102397

>>41101812
Can't you just trade one from US/UM that already knows Knock Off? Pursuit is obviously not a move that's in the game, but Knock Off wasn't culled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:08:53 No.41102226 Report

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bisharp didn't deserve this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:10:43 No.41102282 Report

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>>41102222
>Transferring pokes to swsh

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:13:53 No.41102397 Report

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>>41102222
I looked on Smogon to see all changes done to existing Pokemon and the Bisharp line losing Knock Off was one of them.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:15:52 No.41102462 Report

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>>41102397
FUCKING WHY

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:16:29 No.41102486 Report

Quoted By: >>41102523 >>41102544 >>41102618 >>41102636 >>41103554

>>41102282
Yes, you can transfer Pokemon to SwSh using Home. Are you retarded?

>>41102397
I don't understand what that has to do with anything. The move Knock Off wasn't culled, and is legal on Bisharp in all previous gens. Why wouldn't you be able to trade one over via home and have it retain Knock Off? Do you think the game is going to prevent you from trading it over just because it knows a previously known move that hasn't been culled?

Geez, this fandom is so fucking dumb sometimes.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:17:20 No.41102511 Report

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>>41101812
Are you shitting me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:17:48 No.41102523 Report

Quoted By: >>41102552 >>41102555 >>41102556 >>41102565 >>41102574

>>41102486
moves that aren't in swsh are forgotten when they're transferred over

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:18:02 No.41102526 Report

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>>41101812
He wasn't even broken why nerf?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:18:12 No.41102531 Report

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>>41101812
we've seen so many weird additions where pokemon like gyarados learn power whip in a way that kinda makes sense but I thought it was just an example of GF pushing the limits to show what moves pokemon could theoretically learn. Then they just do random shit like this for no reason even though it makes no sense

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:18:18 No.41102538 Report

Quoted By: >>41102667

>>41102397
Link the thread please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:18:28 No.41102544 Report

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>>41102486
My guess is that since knock off was a tutor move, and tutors were replaced with TRs, knock off did not become a TR but bisharps from previous gens can still have the move. Does that sound right? Sorry if that was hard to follow :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:18:43 No.41102552 Report

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>>41102523
That's only moves that are removed entirely like Hidden Power. Knock Off wasn't removed entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:18:52 No.41102555 Report

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>>41102523
No they aren't. Where did you hear that?
The game simply advises you to delete the move (aka overwrite the moveslot with another move)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:18:55 No.41102556 Report

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>>41102523
yes, but Knock Off is in SwSh. So there's nothing stopping you from just transferring in a Bisharp that knows Knock Off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:19:09 No.41102565 Report

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>>41102523
Please be trolling.

KNOCK OF IS IN SWSH YOU MORON

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:19:33 No.41102574 Report

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>>41102523
knock off is in swsh

it doesnt cull moves that a pokemon can't learn in-game so long as the move itself exists. pursuit no longer exists, knock off does.

this has happened many times before, it's no different now.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:19:57 No.41102589 Report

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>>41102552
false alarm then

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:20:37 No.41102615 Report

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>>41102574
They culled pursuit?! BUT WHY?! WHY?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:20:39 No.41102618 Report

Quoted By: >>41102657 >>41102677 >>41102798

>>41102486
Bisharp isn't the only one who got his moves removed, Vespiquen can't use Healing Order for example.
Also see this: https://twitter.com/Kaphotics/status/1193893434555133957

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:21:08 No.41102636 Report

Quoted By: >>41102711

>>41102486
Because to battle online they're probably going to require the Pokemon to have originated from a Gen 8 game desu

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:21:39 No.41102657 Report

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>>41102618
Oh no no no. What the fuck is this shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:21:57 No.41102667 Report

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>>41102538
Here you go:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/list-of-changes-to-old-pokemon-moves-etc-read-op-before-posting-see-2nd-post-for-the-list.3656151/

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:22:06 No.41102677 Report

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>>41102618
>Bisharp isn't the only one who got his moves removed, Vespiquen can't use Healing Order for example.
Are you people legit retards?

The move Heal Order has been snapped. Knock Off hasn't been snapped. Therefore, why would the game make you delete it?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:22:14 No.41102681 Report

Quoted By: >>41102746 >>41102750

What happens to Unown? They only know Hidden Power, they have no moves.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:23:01 No.41102704 Report

Quoted By: >>41103498

>>41101812
>We've removed certain Pokemon and moves that might give Charizard a hard time so our longtime fans using him won't feel frustrated, please understand

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:23:09 No.41102711 Report

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>>41102636
>they're probably going to require the Pokemon to have originated from a Gen 8 game
Why would they do this, yet eventually allow you to import old mons from previous gens? That makes no sense dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:24:20 No.41102746 Report

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>>41102681
>What happens to Unown?
What's an "Unown"? I've never heard of such a Pokemon here in Galar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:24:26 No.41102750 Report

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>>41102681
They're not in the game anyway so it's a non-issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:25:24 No.41102781 Report

Quoted By: >>41102851

>>41102711
because they've been doing it since at least gen 6? could be since gen 5, don't recall that far back

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:25:51 No.41102798 Report

Quoted By: >>41102975

>>41102618
That's different though because Healing Order was cut from the game. Knock Off wasn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:26:03 No.41102802 Report

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>>41102750
For now. It's another problem they're postponing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:27:43 No.41102851 Report

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>>41102781
They've literally never made a Pokemon forget a TM, event move, or Tutor move when moving to a new generation. This only happened with HM's, and Knock Off isn't, nor has it ever been, an HM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:28:26 No.41102876 Report

Quoted By: >>41102909

>>41102802
Not really, if they show up in another game that game will have Hidden Power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:28:44 No.41102890 Report

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>>41102667
Only new additions to the hitmons is fucking aura sphere. come the fuck on. i guess no retreat really is a signature move for Falinks. would have been great on those two shitmon.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:29:09 No.41102909 Report

Quoted By: >>41102939 >>41102940

>>41102876
Stripping moves for single entries is completely arbitrary, then

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:30:02 No.41102939 Report

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>>41102909
Give them the opportunity to tune some of these moves in smaller chunks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:30:04 No.41102940 Report

Quoted By: >>41102966

>>41102909
Not really, they just didn't want this entry to have Hidden Power, for whatever reason.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:30:48 No.41102966 Report

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>>41102940
A completely arbitrary reason, as I said.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:31:09 No.41102975 Report

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>>41102798
So are then Smogonfags wrong regarding this issue? I found pic related on their thread regarding this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:32:22 No.41103029 Report

Quoted By: >>41103560

>>41102555
Are you telling me the move is still there, but it just does nothing? That's even worse wtf

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:32:26 No.41103032 Report

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>>41102667
Balance team has LOST THEIR MARBLES, gen 8 comp is gonna be crazy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:35:12 No.41103122 Report

Quoted By: >>41103490

>>41102975
Yes they are wrong. Move tutors still exist. These people obviously haven't gotten to the postgame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:36:04 No.41103145 Report

Quoted By: >>41103197

>>41102966
Possibly. That's their prerogative.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:36:46 No.41103170 Report

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>>41102667
>gyarados learns power whip

Hold the fuck up.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:38:01 No.41103197 Report

Quoted By: >>41103378

>>41103145
c o n s u m e

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:41:22 No.41103289 Report

Quoted By: >>41103572

>>41102667
>steelix gets head smash
Jesus christ

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:42:02 No.41103317 Report

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>>41102667
>Swoobat
>Nasty Plot, Baton Pass
>has Simple and Stored Power already
Even if Baton Pass is banned, Simple Nasty Plot with Stored Power and lack of Pursuit trapping is fucking nuts

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:44:08 No.41103378 Report

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>>41103197
I'm not even buying the game, I just don't care about a move being gone. Especially I won't be playing the game in the first place.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:44:29 No.41103392 Report

Quoted By: >>41103771

>>41101812
So, let me get this straight... he does still have knock Off (if you trade him over from USUM), and Somgon is just retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:45:16 No.41103418 Report

Quoted By: >>41103519

>>41102667
>everything gets close combat, first impression or some other signature move
This looks like a fucking romhack movelist change

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:47:22 No.41103490 Report

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>>41103122
So, can someone who has gotten to the postgame say whether or not there are move tutors?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:47:30 No.41103498 Report

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>>41102704
TOP KEK

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:48:14 No.41103519 Report

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>>41103418
Yeah... Like almost every fire Pokemon getting Mystical Fire is hilarious. It kinda devalues signature moves imo.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:49:16 No.41103554 Report

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>>41102486
I believe this was for game balance reasons. Knock Off is far and away the best move in VGC , especially if its coming off of a strong dark type AND in a metagame with no potential Z move or megastone carriers to take the hit . Take a look at some of the other knock off users from previous gens, namely Incineroar. As far as I can tell, Incineroar that has been bred in galar has no way of learning knock off.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:49:21 No.41103560 Report

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>>41103029
Yes, I am.
>You cannot use that move, it is recommended you delete it, and once deleted it cannot be remembered.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:49:48 No.41103572 Report

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>>41103289
That's nothing. It gets body press which goes off if it's defence.

They basically gave it close combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:51:28 No.41103611 Report

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>>41101812
lol bisharpfags BTFO

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 21:57:36 No.41103771 Report

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>>41103392
>Swoobat
it still does but you cannot breed a gen 8 mon with it to get a pawniard with knock off, and since (most likely) you will need to use gen 8 pokemon in the online tourney or online battles, its like if it didnt had it to begin with

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