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Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:49:44 No.41147181 View View Reply Original Report

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Is he the dumbest main antagonist yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:51:30 No.41147242 Report

Quoted By: >>41147399

>>41147181
Noble intentions, shit execution.

Where have I seen this before

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:51:31 No.41147243 Report

Quoted By: >>41147366 >>41147424 >>41147431 >>41147522 >>41147552 >>41147621 >>41149353 >>41149509 >>41149715

>>41147181
He's retarded but when you consider his competition
>Archie
>Cyrus
>Lysandre
Suddenly it becomes a lot less clear who the biggest retard is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:54:15 No.41147323 Report

Quoted By: >>41147607

He's not even a bad guy, he was literally too fucking retarded to wait a day to summon Eternatus for... reasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:55:17 No.41147366 Report

Quoted By: >>41147412 >>41147470 >>41149860

>>41147243
>mundane simpleton doesn't understand Cryus metaphysical transcendence
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:55:44 No.41147380 Report

Quoted By: >>41147418 >>41147532 >>41147683

>>41147181
Close but no, Archie will forever be the dumbest person in the history of the Pokemon world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:55:58 No.41147389 Report

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>>41147181
No, that would be Masuda.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:56:15 No.41147399 Report

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>>41147242
Obama???

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:56:31 No.41147412 Report

Quoted By: >>41148909 >>41149246 >>41149504 >>41149559 >>41149633

>>41147366
>I'M AN AUTIST WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND FEELINGS SO I'M GONNA DESTROY THE UNIVERSE AND CREATE A NEW ONE WITH NO FEELINGS
Ah yes, very complex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:56:37 No.41147418 Report

Quoted By: >>41147532

>>41147380
>the Generations short where he throws the orb that controls Primal Kyogre

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:56:47 No.41147424 Report

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>>41147243
>becoming god by capturing god
whats dumb about this? its just your typical ff villain plot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:57:06 No.41147428 Report

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>>41147181
He's boring but all main villains except him, Giovanni, and Ghetsis are retarded. Ghetsis is still the best if you ask me

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:57:07 No.41147431 Report

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>>41147243
>>Cyrus
He actually achieved his goal
Archie, Maxie, Lysandre I agree with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:57:45 No.41147453 Report

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>>41147181
Main antagonist?
Yeah, at least Archie is kinda smart in what he wants to do and Lysandre has somewhat a theme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:58:02 No.41147464 Report

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>>41147181
Lysandre will never be matched

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Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:58:18 No.41147470 Report

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>>41147366
Based Cyrus

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:58:50 No.41147494 Report

Quoted By: >>41147585 >>41147736

>>41147181
So wait what did he do? Haven't been following the story that closely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:59:26 No.41147515 Report

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>>41147181
Virgin Leon
>doesn't care about the threat of Eternatus, shoves it onto future generations
Chad Rose
>decided to kick start Eternatus so that future generations need not worry

Sounds pretty based desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:59:37 No.41147522 Report

Quoted By: >>41147683

>>41147243
>Archie
Yeah this fits.
>Cyrus
Mentally insane, not dumb. You can't build an organization being that dumb especially since they have an actual regular company they use.
>Lysandre
Again, insane. He's literally the Tony Stark of Kalos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2019 23:59:46 No.41147532 Report

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>>41147380
>>41147418
>trying to expand the ocean in a region and world where tons of people live right at the water's edge at or below sea level
>not evil, just so dumb he genuinely doesn't understand the genocide he's about to commit
Archie got dropped one too many times as a baby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:00:22 No.41147552 Report

Quoted By: >>41147675 >>41147683

>>41147243
Archie and Maxie are the most retarded. Not only were their plans retarded but the obstinately failed to understand the consequences of their actions until they were confronted with them.

Cyrus knew what he wanted and knew what would happen but that was his goal (it's just a stupid goal to non autists). Least retarded (behind Giovanni).

Lysandre is near Archie and MAxie level but he didn't get to see evidence his plan would fail and he didn't get to see the aftermath.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:01:08 No.41147578 Report

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>>41147181
He isn't even main antagonist, in fact I think Gen 8 have no bad guys at all. His intentions sound good, he just messed up because he can't wait for one day more and instead risked everything. He's a dumb person, but not evil person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:01:23 No.41147585 Report

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>>41147494
Basically wants to avert an energy crisis by using Eternatus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:02:11 No.41147607 Report

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>>41147323
WE NEED CONFLICT OKAY?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:02:32 No.41147621 Report

Quoted By: >>41147687 >>41147861 >>41149141

>>41147243
barring like, giovanni and guzma, why is every villain in pokemon on some shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:04:18 No.41147675 Report

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>>41147552
while i like maxie and archie i must admit this is the correct take

X&Y in general is a hot mess of half-seen visions with serious consequences

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:04:26 No.41147682 Report

Quoted By: >>41147723 >>41147730 >>41147805

>>41147585
Sounds interesting, but I'm guessing it was executed poorly based on all of these replies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:04:40 No.41147683 Report

Quoted By: >>41147742

>>41147380
>>41147522
>>41147532
>>41147552
>all those plebs who've never heard of deep ecology

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:04:47 No.41147687 Report

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>>41147621
Ghetsis was just a more ambitious Giovanni. Maxie, Archie, Cyrus, Lusamine, and ESPECIALLY Lysandre are just poorly written and/or comically written to fit a childish story. Cyrus I will give him being more complex than the other nutjobs though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:05:56 No.41147723 Report

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>>41147682
More like it wasn't given enough time. Barring random appearances that last 2 minutes throughout the game, Rose doesn't get thrown into the ring until the last hour of the game. SM had much more build up to its plot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:06:07 No.41147730 Report

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>>41147682
Oh it absolutely was. Rose is an impatient fuck who can't wait a single day to replenish Galar's dynamax energy reserves, even though Galar won't actually run out for a thousand years, and it puts everyone present at the championship battle in grave danger. Leon even calls him out on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:06:17 No.41147736 Report

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>>41147494
Retarded ambition of wanting to have the region be able to use Dynamax forever for the money it makes despite every single other region making do without it and them still having enough to last a thousand years. Enacted his retard plan of summoning Eternatus to accomplish that at the worst possible moment, the tournament finals, despite being warned by legends that it was a shithead idea to do and by Leon that it was an even shitheaddier idea to do it now instead of literally any other day. No shit things go wrong and the dogs have to clean up his mess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:06:32 No.41147742 Report

Quoted By: >>41148002 >>41148167

>>41147683
>implying deep ecology advocates/justifies genocide

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:06:53 No.41147750 Report

Quoted By: >>41147815 >>41147855

Does he go to jail or just says sorry and everyone forgives him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:08:57 No.41147805 Report

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>>41147682
It wasn't really executed at all, it's painfully obvious that the guy was doing some shady shit throughout the entire game but you never hear about any of it.
Near the end of the game you just get a couple lines of dialogue about his plans and then it's over.
The plot doesn't even properly resolve LMAO, you catch the problematic pokemon and then they the screen fades out with a "3 days later... the guy is in jail now" and the game continues as if nothing ever happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:09:15 No.41147815 Report

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>>41147750
Turns himself in at the end, yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:09:49 No.41147842 Report

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>Galar has 1000 years to find an alternative energy source
>Decides to summon an evil plague dragn instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:09:58 No.41147848 Report

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>>41147181
Literally nothing can ever be worse than Lysandre and his gang of rich retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:10:16 No.41147855 Report

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>>41147750
That's almost surprising

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:10:22 No.41147861 Report

Quoted By: >>41147982 >>41148051

>>41147621
Giovanni is just a mob boss that uses a Pokemon Gym and Game Corner as fronts for his criminal enterprise
Guzma grew up in an abusive household which made him turn to a life of crime
Cyrus and Ghetsis are just pure, unrepentant evil people
Lusamine was drugged on Nihilego's toxins which made her insane when combined with the grief of losing her husband

Maxie, Archie, Lysandre, and the new guy in SwSh are legitimately retarded though

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:11:32 No.41147908 Report

Quoted By: >>41148500 >>41148998

>*cracks open soda pop*

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:12:55 No.41147947 Report

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>>41147181
His whole team is weak to fire it's a joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:13:10 No.41147956 Report

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>>41147431
He only achieved his goal in Generations

In the actual game he ran away like a bitch going "y-you'll see!" to Cynthia

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:13:54 No.41147982 Report

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>>41147861
Cryus is arguably insane in the legal sense of the term.
He is so dissociated from humanity he cannot understand events, he thinks autism world is a good thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:14:35 No.41148002 Report

Quoted By: >>41148168

>>41147742
It's not genocide if it's indiscriminate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:16:00 No.41148051 Report

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>>41147861
Guzma just wanted some friends dude. His team isn't even all that criminal compared to the others. They're more of a retarded social club like juggalos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:16:02 No.41148052 Report

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>not the two niggers who wanted to flood the word and dry out the world's oceans/waters
Until he gets that retarded anon, he's not the most retarded in pokémon history.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:19:32 No.41148167 Report

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>>41147742
It does if you go deep enough, IRL there are batshit insane guys like Pentti Linkola

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:19:34 No.41148168 Report

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>>41148002
Sophistry. Call it a massacre then, it doesn't really make a difference. Casually expanding the oceans in a region like Hoenn would be disastrous.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:29:06 No.41148468 Report

Quoted By: >>41148682

Lysandre was a great villain. He was probably poorly presented, but he was the best we've had.
The guy is a philantrophist with genuine concern about the future of the world and resource sustainability. He is also an elitist eugenecist and contributed a lot to society. He is right that some people take without giving anything, and he is tired of that injustice.
So he tries to use the Ultimate Weapon, the weapon designed by his ancestors, the ancient people in his region to solve conflicts, to eliminate all the scum.
He managed to activate it, with the help of the elite members of society financing the project, and various partisans including even an Elite 4 member. Pure elitism. His goal was to have a just world without social stains. Where only the best quality people share the resources. That's what he calls a beautiful world.
He was consequent in his intentions and very Hitler-like. Unlike Ghetsis who secretely just wanted to monopolize pokémon, he was true to his ideal. Unlike Giovanni who needs to do crime to get moeny he does it through his business and diplomacy. Unlike Maxie/Archie his goal is based on real needs. Unlike Cyrus he is not an autist, just an elitist.
The sustainability issues were never addressed by those who defeated him. And none of the Kalos heroes contributed as much as him to science, research and Politics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:30:15 No.41148500 Report

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>>41147908
"Charizard. Now THAT was a Pokemon!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:33:11 No.41148585 Report

Quoted By: >>41148686

Literally all they had to do to have this guy be a decent character was to have the energy crisis happen within a decade or two.

Imagine how much more sensible his actions would be if we were already seeing early effects of the loss of power happen in-game. Vehicles malfunctioning, PokeCenter blackouts, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:36:14 No.41148682 Report

Quoted By: >>41148811 >>41148828 >>41149932

>>41148468
The problem with Lysandre is he's trying to kill all the human trash as you described and yet the one group of people he intend to survive the genocide, team flare, mostly consist of said selfish human trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:36:20 No.41148686 Report

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>>41148585
Maybe they were afraid of making him too justified?
At least Lysandre lacked enough self-awareness to realize that his team was made up of the very same type of people he wanted to wipe out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:36:40 No.41148697 Report

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>>41147399
>Obama
The fuck you on?
NEITHER his intentions or execution was good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:40:08 No.41148811 Report

Quoted By: >>41148882

>>41148682
To be part of Team Flare you needed to be wealthy. It was an elitist club. To be wealthy you are either a very productive member of society or have noble Kalosian blood. In Lysandre's eyes that is the best group of people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:40:32 No.41148828 Report

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>>41148682
The elite still need someone to serve them in the new world

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:41:21 No.41148859 Report

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>>41147181
He was such a retard that Leon pointed out the plothole in real-time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:41:52 No.41148882 Report

Quoted By: >>41148995

>>41148811
>To be wealthy you are either a very productive member of society or have noble Kalosian blood.
>this is what american's actually believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:42:49 No.41148909 Report

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>>41147412
exactly. based and blackpilled cyrus is kino antagonist

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:45:02 No.41148961 Report

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>>41147181
He may be dumb, but..
I want to suck his fat juicy brown ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:46:06 No.41148995 Report

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>>41148882
Ah I see. You take what I said out of context in order to start /int/tier shitposting. And made an embarrassing grammatical mistake in "american's" to boot. How twitter migrantish of you.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:46:09 No.41148998 Report

Quoted By: >>41149455

>>41147908

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:48:33 No.41149076 Report

Quoted By: >>41149181

How would you have written Rose

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:49:02 No.41149088 Report

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Oleana wouldn’t let him walk around in his underwear

She deserves it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:50:37 No.41149141 Report

Quoted By: >>41149211

>>41147621
giovanni has been a joke since origins, where he gives up his life of crime after remembering CHARMANDER FROM KANTOOOOOOOOO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:50:44 No.41149143 Report

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>>41147181
I don't think it's possible to have a worse main antagonist than Lysandre.
Gamefreak may be topping themselves in the shit department every generation from 6 onward, but Lysandre is too retarded to possibly be outmatched.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:51:55 No.41149181 Report

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>>41149076
Probably just go with the various anons suggesting that he rigs tournaments in favor of those he sponsers. There was one anon who suggested he summon Eternatus as a spectacle that regardless of whether you beat it or not, he still reaps the benefits.
I'm probably misexplaining it, but just something that goes with the "Pokemon League is corrupt" vibe the game seemed to be going for.
Now that I think about it, I wonder how Pokemon Special is going to portray him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:52:57 No.41149211 Report

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>>41149141
Well, then it's a good thing that Origins isn't canon.
Hence Generations going for a more straightforward villain take.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:53:22 No.41149227 Report

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ive watched the ending like three times now and still cant figure out if hes like an actual antagonist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:54:13 No.41149246 Report

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>>41147412
that's a lot better than "I NEED TO FIX THIS PROBLEM WE WON'T EXPERIENCE IN 1000 YEARS RIGHT FUCKING NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS TOURNAMENT"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:56:15 No.41149307 Report

Quoted By:

He's leaps and bounds over Lysandre, who was basically retreading Cyrus but worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:57:55 No.41149353 Report

Quoted By: >>41149372 >>41149504

>>41147243
>Cyrus
what is so hard to understand about a guy who just hates everyone? Especially for someone on 4chan of all places? I'm sure if a lot of you had access to godlike power, the first thingsyou would consider doing would either involve mass rape or omnicide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:58:32 No.41149372 Report

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>>41149353
Speak for yourself, autismo

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:01:08 No.41149455 Report

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>>41148998

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:01:51 No.41149475 Report

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>>41147181
Yes. Makes sense since he is brown

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:02:51 No.41149504 Report

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>>41147412
It's just the kid friendly version of "sometimes man just wants to watch the world burn".
As >>41149353 said. because his life was shit, he feels like everyone else needs to die in order to rectify his own fate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:03:05 No.41149509 Report

Quoted By: >>41149532 >>41149575

>>41147243
>Cyrus
Unlike the other retards his plan would've actually worked without the MC's intervention and wouldn't have any """unforseen""" consequences

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:03:49 No.41149532 Report

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>>41149509
Giratina interfered with his plans regardless of the MC showing up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:04:37 No.41149559 Report

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>>41147412
And to think his first real friend was a fucking ROTOM

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:05:07 No.41149575 Report

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>>41149509
>wouldn't have any """unforseen""" consequences
He'd get ass raped by Arceus on a cosmic level for his blasphemy. Only Cynthia seems to actually know how to perform a successful universal reset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:05:21 No.41149587 Report

Quoted By: >>41149658 >>41149785

Rose doing it at the peak of the tournament is just a shittier version of N beating Alder before you get to him and then summoning Team Plasma's Castle right on top of the Pokemon League in a move made solely to assert dominance.

Prove me wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:06:54 No.41149633 Report

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>>41147412
That's not what happened, that was his excuse because he was abused by his parents and nobody helped him. He chooses to supress his own display of emotions (but he's actually made of wrath) and decided to get rid of them. His excuse was "if people aren't held back by emotions like love and friendship humanity would be more efficient and progress faster" but also to not get hurt anymore. He was serious about creating that kind of world tho because he kept insisting on creating it and fucking hated the Disortion World emptyness in the games. Generations did Cyrus dirty and just made him look like an autismo who wanted to go die in the void.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:07:35 No.41149658 Report

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>>41149587
Can't.

N's was just great

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:09:08 No.41149715 Report

Quoted By: >>41149932

>>41147243
Cyrus wasn't stupid, and neither was Lysandre. Crazed and megalomaniacal, yes, but not retarded. They knew damn well what would happen if they succeeded and accepted that.
Archie and Maxie were retarded ecoterrorists who didn't realize that maybe a primal force that shaped the earth would do far more than they were intending.
Ghetsis wasn't really retarded, he was just taking advantage of Unova's old beliefs in order to secure a path to power. Lusamine doesn't really count either since she was apparently possessed the whole time (?).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:11:15 No.41149785 Report

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>>41149587
You're kinda right, but it still feels blasphemous to compare this shit to one of the best surprise moments in the series.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:11:18 No.41149786 Report

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>>41147181
Looks like the guy who'll cuck you in an NTR visual novel.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:13:12 No.41149860 Report

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>>41147366
>This is what sinnohfetuses actually believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 01:15:40 No.41149932 Report

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>>41149715
>Lysandre
>Not retarded
See >>41148682
Granted, the devs probably did that on purpose, probably to show how Lysandre was too deluded to realize that the people he felt were worthy of the new world were, in fact, the type of people he despised and blamed in the first place.

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