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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:27:31 No.41356434 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>41356461 >>41356473 >>41356501 >>41356504 >>41356509 >>41357354 >>41357460 >>41357637 >>41357690 >>41359135 >>41359747 >>41359792

>170 base Atk
>148 base Spd
>ability raises Attack
>godlike typing with 9 resists and 2 nulls
How can Zamazenta even compete?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:28:20 No.41356461 Report

Quoted By: >>41358939 >>41359716 >>41359799

>>41356434
wasting a item slot kinda sucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:28:41 No.41356473 Report

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>>41356434
he can't. Makes me ashamed to be a shield virgin desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:28:51 No.41356480 Report

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Zacian might be my favorite legendary. She literally has it all. I would marry her

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:29:44 No.41356501 Report

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>>41356434
The attack raising ability is pretty bullshit. Even as a Swordchad when I first saw that I was like oh shit based

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:29:50 No.41356504 Report

Quoted By: >>41356649

>>41356434
By not getting banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:29:59 No.41356509 Report

Quoted By: >>41356834

>>41356434
>How can Zamazenta even compete?
By having a good design, for one
Zacian cant relate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:35:02 No.41356649 Report

Quoted By: >>41356715 >>41356971 >>41359159

>>41356504
Zacian's strong but is he really centralizing enough to be banned from Ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:36:59 No.41356715 Report

Quoted By: >>41357112

>>41356649
Currently yea

Primal Groudon could've been a check, but so much for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:40:27 No.41356834 Report

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>>41356509
>it's another "better design has worse utility" episode
I guess Zamazenta gets to join the club with Kyogre, Dialga, Reshiram, Yveltal, and Solgaleo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:44:57 No.41356971 Report

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>>41356649
What is there to stop it? All the best Ubers have been kicked out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:49:05 No.41357076 Report

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I want Zacian to use play rough on me

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:50:29 No.41357112 Report

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>>41356715
Isn't showdown keeping the national dex in its main meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:52:20 No.41357162 Report

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>>41356834
Dialga is better than Palkia in comp what the fuck are you on about

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:54:05 No.41357221 Report

Quoted By: >>41358115 >>41359817

>>41356834
>Reshiram
Zekrom is better in all aspects

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:54:47 No.41357246 Report

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>>41356834
Kyogre was king of Ubers for years, he had his time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:56:08 No.41357281 Report

Quoted By: >>41357318 >>41357620 >>41359147 >>41359155

>Zacian doesn't get stab Sacred Sword
>Instead it has the best defensive typing in the game
Clearly they switched both wolf's typing at some point and they never fixed it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:57:17 No.41357318 Report

Quoted By: >>41359155

>>41357281
should've both been fairy

why the fuck did they have to nutter best dog like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:58:34 No.41357349 Report

Quoted By: >>41357560

>>41356834
Yveltal has the best utility in Ubers though, it was better than Xerneas in gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 00:58:44 No.41357354 Report

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>>41356434

Been playing unrated random and watching OU on Showdown today and Zacian is just really hard to break.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:01:55 No.41357460 Report

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>>41356434
>tfw Hop's Zacian solos my team.
Now I regret getting Shield

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:05:02 No.41357560 Report

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>>41357349
Geomancy Xerneas was everywhere when it came out though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:07:03 No.41357620 Report

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>>41357281
Oh bobobo bo bo bobo it just keeps getting worse

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:07:28 No.41357637 Report

Quoted By: >>41359011

>>41356434
>literally only outsped by electrode and ninjask
>best defensive typing in the game
>more attack than fucking mega mawile
>close combat for coverage
this is the most broken pokemon yet created

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:08:32 No.41357671 Report

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>>41357560
And Kyogre shat on Groudon and Fug for over a decade, what's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:08:48 No.41357682 Report

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LF: Curse Body corsola

Just tell me what you want

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:09:05 No.41357690 Report

Quoted By: >>41358063

>>41356434
>148 base Spd
The abbreviation for SPEED is Spe NOT Spd, that's the abbreviation for SPECIAL DEFENCE

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:24:26 No.41358063 Report

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>>41357690
Fuck, you're right, I was thinking Fire Emblem for some reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:26:30 No.41358115 Report

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>>41357221
That's only because there are better users for a fire type or because of White Kyurem. Reshiram can actually be useful in Sword and Shield because a choice scarf timid Reshiram can outspeed and ohko a jolly Crowned Zacian with blue flare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 01:57:11 No.41358939 Report

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>>41356461
>wasting an item slot
>said item gives you offensive stats along speed comparable to Deoxys-A + Steel typing plus the ability already acts as a free Band
Sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:00:21 No.41359011 Report

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>>41357637
I think their idea of balance was to give the offensive legendary the defensive typing and vice versa, but it ended up making the offensive one even more busted since resistances are more significant than stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:05:06 No.41359135 Report

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>>41356434
Ya see kids, this Pokémon design is what we call “A COMPLETE LACK OF SUBTLETY”

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:05:44 No.41359147 Report

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>>41357281
>95/145/145 bulk on a steel/fairy
>170 attack+128 speed on something with SD and STAB CC

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:06:00 No.41359155 Report

Quoted By: >>41359695 >>41359871 >>41362538

>>41357281
>>41357318
>she STILL hasn't noticed that the blue cover legend always has an advantage over the red one
Lugia is heavily associated with Water and gets several Water-type moves, giving it a leg up in the 1v1 against Ho-Oh.
Kyogre versus Groudon needs no explaining.
Dialga isn't weak to either of Palkia's STABs, while Palkia is still weak to Dragon.
Zekrom's Outrage is stronger against Reshiram than anything Reshiram naturally learns in return.
Xerneas versus Yveltal doesn't need to be explained.
Lunala's Ghost is super-effective against Solgaleo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:06:04 No.41359159 Report

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>>41356649
>he

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:27:46 No.41359695 Report

Quoted By: >>41359873

>>41359155
>Kyogre versus Groudon needs no explaining.
Groudon actually wins easily because of Drought + Solarbeam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:28:15 No.41359707 Report

Quoted By: >>41363146

>>41356834
Groudon, Palkia, Zekrom, and Xerneas had better designs than their counterparts. I agree with you about Solgaleo though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:28:48 No.41359716 Report

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>>41356461
What other item would you even use, its his best

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:29:53 No.41359747 Report

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>>41356434
Dont tell me this guy is available in VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:31:20 No.41359792 Report

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>>41356434
Crowned Form is bullshit. It's basically a free Mega Evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:31:33 No.41359799 Report

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>>41356461
Ability is already a free Choice Band

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:32:15 No.41359817 Report

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>>41357221
>Zekrom is better in all aspects
>dicklet
>better

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:32:59 No.41359839 Report

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I highly suspect they cut legendaries in order to not give a shit about balancing them anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:33:10 No.41359842 Report

Quoted By: >>41362992

>>41359817
looks like a digimon with those stupid claws

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:33:49 No.41359851 Report

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>>41356834
Kyogre was eternally better than Groudon up until ORAS and even then managed to steal some spotlight from it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:34:25 No.41359871 Report

Quoted By: >>41360128

>>41359155
Lugia isn't a water type kid, just 'cause your autism says it's a pattern, don't make it so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:34:28 No.41359873 Report

Quoted By: >>41359963 >>41362613

>>41359695
No. They have the same Speed stat, but Kyogre's Special stats dwarf those of Groudon, so half the time Drought activates and you get
>0 SpA Groudon Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 130-154 (38.1 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Followed by
>0 SpA Kyogre Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Groudon in Sun: 204-240 (59.8 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Other half of the time, Rain activates and it's GG. Groudon's actually better off using Earthquake regardless.
>0 Atk Groudon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 168-198 (49.2 - 58%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:38:44 No.41359963 Report

Quoted By: >>41360128

>>41359873
This is true for bases, but for primals it's pretty much whoever is slower wins

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 02:46:01 No.41360128 Report

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>>41359871
>Lugia isn't a water type kid
Never said it was, just that it usually wins the 1v1. Looking at it more closely suggests that Ancient Power is a better choice than Hydro Pump, though either one gets the job done.
>>41359963
That's very true. Primal Groudon got so over-tuned relative to Kyogre it's hilarious. Good thing the whale didn't get an Electric sub-type when Primal like some people wanted, then it'd need two favorable Speed ties in order to win.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 04:06:48 No.41362382 Report

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What's a good moveset?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 04:10:25 No.41362538 Report

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>>41359155
>Zekrom's Outrage is stronger against Reshiram than anything Reshiram naturally learns in return.
No shit, Zekrom is physical attacker and Reshiram is a special attacker. What the fuck are you smoking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 04:12:07 No.41362613 Report

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>>41359873
Groudon should have learn Solar Blade

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 04:24:00 No.41362992 Report

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>>41359842
They're both overdesigned

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2019 04:28:57 No.41363146 Report

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>>41359707
>Groudon and Palkia
Dick monster and digimon plastic dinosaur? How?

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