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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 04:51:36 No.41394496 View View Reply Original Report

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It turns out we've all accidentally been playing all Pokemon games on the Easiest mode so far.

Now, what happens when we turn it up to Very Hard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 04:52:20 No.41394520 Report

Quoted By: >>41395566

The AI has been calibrated by viewing millions of high ELO smogon games and all have competitive teams

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 04:52:34 No.41394523 Report

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>>41394496
Casuals and kids can't beat it and the franchise finally dies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 04:53:33 No.41394549 Report

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>>41394496
Has anyone made an "FFT1.3" of pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 04:54:26 No.41394570 Report

Quoted By: >>41402338

Every pokemon spams Minimize/doubleteam

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 04:54:53 No.41394580 Report

Quoted By: >>41394601

>>41394496
The last trainer on the second route has 5 Electrodes with Explosion to test to see if you caught a full team yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 04:55:57 No.41394601 Report

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>>41394580
I guess you could also just spam revives... if you had enough money to buy them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:01:03 No.41394729 Report

Quoted By: >>41394750 >>41394905

>>41394496
What always happens in edgy fangames, the gym leaders have a full team of Pokemon the max level your current badges allow you to control

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:01:48 No.41394750 Report

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>>41394729
but what if the cpu can also read your inputs like in fighting games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:06:40 No.41394905 Report

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>>41394729
>the max level your current badges allow you to control
HOW DO PEOPLE STILL NOT GET THIS

THE BADGE IS MAX TRADED LEVEL. YOU CAN HAVE A LEVEL 100 AND 0 BADGES IF YOU ARE THE OT

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:19:26 No.41395226 Report

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>>41394496
HARD MODE
>Game is locked into set (no option given to switch out)
>Super Potions are the highest form of healing in the game
>Products at shopping marts are increased in price, whereas money gained from matches are reasonably reduced to create scarcity in item use
>You are able to capture very strong Pokemon, but every story relevant opponent's Pokemon is level scaled to the highest level mon you've captured
>Better overall NPC AI (Switching when no moves are effective, type advantage recognition, etc.)
>NPC teams use competitive strategies (stealth rock, uturn/volt switching) and carry useful items, hyper offense teams, balanced teams, and stall teams)
>Gym Leaders use a full party of 6. No item use is merited midbattle.
>All Exp growth is erractic
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Experience
>Exp all is togglable, but when turned on, divides the whole sum of exp evenly among the party

I see no point in messing with the quality of life improvements SwSh has made. Removing them would only make things more tedious rather than difficult. I would enjoy playing any version of Pokemon like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:22:46 No.41395300 Report

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>>41395226
Fuck, now I want this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:23:16 No.41395309 Report

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>>41394496
>Catch A Pokémon with a full party
>Forced to decide to let one go or let your catch go

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:27:56 No.41395409 Report

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>>41395226
I'd like this, but it would actually kill the series. Or maybe just casuals, may or may not be a good thing.

My modest suggestion for years now has just been making gyms, rivals, E4, Champ and other special matches more like the ones in the anime. The battles are all "Set" and you cannot bring more than the amount of mons a gym leaders has. It can also be reversed, and gym leaders have the same amount of mons you do etc... It's not too much, but I think this would add some much needed difficulty without completely alienated casuals and beginners

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:30:35 No.41395453 Report

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>>41394496
Any answer that doesn't include "force battles to be doubles/triples" is wrong. I'm not one of those people who worship doubles but a lot of what makes Pokemon games easy is because you can easily juggernaut with one mon. It's the bare minimum of what needs to be done, though Drayano's romhacks make a decent attempt at difficult singles.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:30:45 No.41395461 Report

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>>41394496
Take a look at all Pokemon/hard mode hacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:33:48 No.41395512 Report

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>>41395409
Casuals that stuck with their starter only would benefit from this, but it is an interesting idea.

>>41395226
Although some of these can be self-imposed, improvements to the AI would be fantastic. AFAIK the AI grows stronger with progress through the game, and it should, but it should start at the level of the Elite Four and not the drooling retards we have now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:37:16 No.41395566 Report

Quoted By: >>41398960

>>41394520
You are extremely short-sighted if you don't realize how stupid this is. An interesting scenario is more engaging than just fighting the same super AI with slightly different teams. they have the ability to add whole new mechanics which combat more interesting rather than being a poor man's copy of smogon faggotry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:40:18 No.41395617 Report

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Pokemon matches end after three (or w/e) pokemon are KO'd, even if you have four or more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:40:51 No.41395625 Report

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>>41395512
That's something that slipped my mind. Fuck it then, just leave it at the point where players can't bring more than the amount of mons a gym leader has. I think this is an overall good idea b/c many casuals only train like 1 or 2 mons. But they still bring the rest to battles b/c they use other mons as meat shields while they heal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:46:20 No.41395732 Report

Quoted By: >>41395923

I always kinda wanted a Hard Mode toggle for replays.
>All your existing Pokemon are put into the PC and cannot be withdrawn until you either suspend the Hard Mode playthrough (which leaves you unable to access your Hard Mode Pokemon until you resume it) or beat the Elite Four again (which ends the run and any restrictions)
>Every Hard Mode trainer gains +1 Pokemon, +1 egg or TM move per Pokemon that improves their coverage and +1 hold item on their team
>Other region Pokemon are introduced into routes that compliment the existing Pokemon (ie early routes get a shitmon, Dragon's Den gets a random dragon Pokemon etc)
>Once beaten, you can do a Hard Mode+1. This adds +2 Pokemon to each trainer, gives them even more remixed movesets, adds more wild Pokemon etc before capping out. at HM+5 which you can replay endlessly

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:52:21 No.41395844 Report

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just do the gamecube games, except with good AI and maybe some better movesets
>all double battles
>trainers have not just TM moves, but tutor moves as well
>wide variety of enemy pokemon right out the gate, no "normal/flying/bug only until after the first gym" bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 05:57:07 No.41395923 Report

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>>41395732
Literally everyone wants a difficulty toggle, it would solve a huge problem with the games and everyone would win. But that requires effort so GF wont do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:00:36 No.41395970 Report

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>>41394905
They don't play the games anon

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:18:07 No.41396279 Report

Quoted By: >>41396561

>>41394496
I've actually been doing some concept designs for making a "difficult" pokemon game that was still fun but challenging. Let me run some of this stuf by y'all and you can shitpost me about how bad a designer I am.
>Normal randos are about the same. People not dedicated to the Gym Challenge and/or beating the Champ aren't going to have 120% combat ready mons, and will usually not even have a full team.
>Ace Trainers are actually out for blood and are harder than Gym Battles sometimes, with full teams of a variety of pokemon to cover different team compositions, but they can be avoided and you can come back when you think you're ready. Black Belts, Psychic Trainers, Sky Trainers, and other specialists serve as "checkup" trainers that test to see if you're developing your team well or if you're a bit behind to take the next area, but are only slightly harder than average.
>Gyms are more about testing your understanding of types and strategies. Gym battles focus more on utilizing a powerful gimmick over a specific Type, but still try to lean towards a type. These are puzzle battles, meant to teach you how to deal with weird shit that you might run into. The Gyms should either be asynchronous or have a MegaMan-style flow to them that "leads" you to a potential solution: a Flying Gym might spam Fly, but come after a gym that awards you with Thunder.
>The E4 are a culmination of the Gym strategy, combining the gimmicky gyms with a stronger variety of teams. One E4 member might rely on Trick Room as their core strategy, forcing you to adjust accordingly. These guys are here to make sure you don't get to the Champ, after all, so their strategies should actively inhibit and drain out the player's resources and test their ingenuity.
>The Team are mostly a bunch of bumblefucks that barely understand the assigned Team Pokemon, but the higher-ups are lethal.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:21:16 No.41396331 Report

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>>41394549
Yeah tons of hard mode mods are available. Drayano's mods are the most well-known ones, they add difficulty and streamline things like turning trade evolutions into level-up evolutions. I think there's a Drayano hack for the 3DS games too but I'm not sure.

Games like Pokémon Reborn also aim to provide a challenging experience but are not replicating any specific Pokémon game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:30:31 No.41396482 Report

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>>41394496
There is a dude who likes leaf a lot and it legit took 45 hours for him to finish the story. He got lost and didn’t do extra shit he is just dumb.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:34:37 No.41396561 Report

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>>41396279
Oh I wish..

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:35:30 No.41396581 Report

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>>41395226
>I want more pointless grinding for the sake of justifying wasting time on a childrens game

Bleugh.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:35:33 No.41396583 Report

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When you blackout, you die in real life.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:44:36 No.41396766 Report

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>>41394496
The champion is a Triple Battle with Tyranitar and 5 Level 1 Arons with Berry Juice and Endeavor

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:46:33 No.41396811 Report

Quoted By: >>41396911 >>41396978

I could maybe suggest a few other things for a hypothetical Hard mode for SWSH (with some spoilers)

>No handholding or free heals, only heals are at Pokemon centers
>You fight all 10 Gym Leaders (including the two version exclusives) one way or another, and each have a full team of six and will dynamax anyone in their party at random instead of just their ace/signature
>You fight all Double battles using just Pokémon in your inventory, no Hop or other NPC's to assist you
>The final raid battle against Eternamax Eternatus is fought only with your Mons, no Hop or box legendaries to assist you

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:51:21 No.41396911 Report

Quoted By: >>41396933

>>41396811
I feel like certain cases should still Dynamax a specific mon. It's clear that in at least some cases, the Dynamax'd mon is the team ace or the personal favorite, like for Olena or Melony. Stripping these characters of character quirks in the name of making the game more difficult isn't a necessary sacrifice when there are other ways to increase the difficulty.

Maybe fucking make it so that Max Moves penetrate, like how Z-Moves did. That was pretty much the only reason to use a Damage Z-Move in Gen 7, so it'd be helpful as a carry-over if we're gonna lose out on the main feature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:52:36 No.41396933 Report

Quoted By: >>41396961

>>41396911
if you mean protect, they already pierce it
and are weakened less than zmoves were to boot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:54:04 No.41396961 Report

Quoted By: >>41397024

>>41396933
My memory may be failing me, but didn't Z-Moves also partially bypass type nullification?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:54:34 No.41396978 Report

Quoted By: >>41397017

>>41396811
Don't forget
>You can't leave the Champion Tournament as it's going on, and the game doesn't auto heal you.
Because you can leave in the middle with no penalty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:56:44 No.41397007 Report

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>Everyone is scaled to level 50 (levels are hidden)
>AI, EVs, IVs, natures, abilities, and movesets of enemy Trainer Pokémon depend on Trainer class, progress, and the Pokémon itself
>The player is limited to using the same number of Pokémon as the enemy Trainer
>The player's party is fully healed for Trainer battles, but retains damage outside them for wild battles
>Experience is gained based on both Pokémon's levels before scaling

There, I fixed the difficulty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:57:26 No.41397017 Report

Quoted By: >>41397344

>>41396978
You can what.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 06:57:40 No.41397024 Report

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>>41396961
that was never the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 07:15:05 No.41397344 Report

Quoted By: >>41398066

>>41397017
You can walk right out of the tournament and do other things. You are not obligated to stay there. I imagine most people didn't even try but I walked out before the second round and ran around the Wild Area for a while.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 08:01:23 No.41398066 Report

Quoted By: >>41398129

>>41397344
>You can just fucking leave in the middle of the E4 stand-in
Is that a hold-over from LGPE or did they actually make this game even easier than it already was?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 08:05:36 No.41398129 Report

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>>41398066
You can't leave the E4 in LGPE as far as I know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 09:04:18 No.41398960 Report

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>>41395566
don't mind me, just a comp-CHAD living RENT-FREE in your head.
... jeez, awfully spacious in here...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 09:21:50 No.41399193 Report

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>>41394496
Very minimum
>make every trainer double battles and give most trainers proper teams.
>2 trainer combos can have up to 12 pokemon instead of 3 each.
>champion him/herself has a full team of level 100 pokemon so you can't win by sheer levels
>anime if gym leader has 4 pokemon you can only send out 4 pokemon rule
Hard mode
>exp share is just old exp share and siphons exp
>trainers have proper ai and will notice when things aren't working like attack Zoroark with moves that don't work
>no free heals inbetween fights
>leaving the area of team whatever makes them heal all their pokemon
>rematches against them give less exp
Hell mode
>trainers have Megas but you can't use them yourself till postgame
>can't bring the main legendaries and events to the elite 4 the first time
>Rival and Champion have the other main legendaries
>rematches against the elite 4 makes them all have even more competitive teams
>certain pokemon, mostly legendaries, now have totem boosts of at least +2 and a new terrain where status effects can't be changed or inflicted
Hell mode
>game has a limited amount of pokeballs and breeding is postgame
>Rival, elite 4, Champion, and other major trainers now have about 20 pokemon but the game adapts their team to whatever you'll have problems with

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 10:24:55 No.41399988 Report

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>>41396581
Do you even read

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 10:37:42 No.41400159 Report

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>>41394496
The enemy team regularly switching Pokemon if they can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 12:56:08 No.41402105 Report

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>>41396581
Grinding isn't necessary since exp growth is erratic; erractic being the fastest growth rate at lower levels/stages of evolution and eventually becoming the slowest. Early game, you are more likely to have over leveled pokemon compared to route NPCs (with story relevant NPCs always scaling), but levels eventually plateau as you progress, with mid to late game battles with NPCs being on near equal footing.

Grinding doesnt help you if all story relevant NPCs scale with the strongest mon in youve captured.

Ex.
Your party
Lvl 22 Raboot
Lvl 21 Corvisquire
Lvl 32 Piloswine*
Lvl 16 Yamper

Rival Party
Lvl 29 Dubwool
Lvl 32 Twackey

Had you never caught a very strong Pokemon so early, Hop would scale with Raboot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 12:59:11 No.41402161 Report

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>We'll never get a Dark Souls for Pokemon
Yeah, I know Dark Souls is a term thrown around too much, but my god, give me a challenge

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 13:05:52 No.41402278 Report

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>>41395226
>every story relevant opponent's pokemon is level scaled to the highest level mon you've captured.
The absolute best strategy in this scenario is to breed strong egg moves onto level 1 pokemon and then run nothing but a team of newborns constantly, leaving the NPCs with Scratch and Pound while you've got Thunder Fang and Parting Shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 13:09:27 No.41402338 Report

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>>41394570
>Xx used swift!
Aerial ace
Shock wave
Magical leaf

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