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SMOGON GEN 8 USAGE

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 15:29:39 No.41436904 View View Reply Original Report

It's out.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ou-metagame-discussion.3656245/page-14#post-8290453

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 15:31:45 No.41436940 Report

Quoted By: >>41437930

Not unexpected but I feel like it's still too early to draw definite conclusions until we 100% understand how Dynamax, all the new abilities, etc. work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 15:32:20 No.41436957 Report

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That's my boy, Excadrill!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 15:33:20 No.41436975 Report

Quoted By: >>41438654

Gyarados is broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 15:55:34 No.41437469 Report

Quoted By: >>41437487 >>41437524 >>41437602 >>41437622

>>41436904
Everyone hates on Gen 5, look at how many from that Gen are consistent even in today’s meta, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 15:56:13 No.41437487 Report

Quoted By: >>41438566 >>41439179

>>41437469
everyone hates gen 5 because they're ugly

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 15:57:47 No.41437524 Report

Quoted By: >>41437673

>>41437469
That's partly why they hate Gen 5. Power creep out the ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 15:58:39 No.41437541 Report

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yeah not really any surprises here

the meta needs more time to develop

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:00:20 No.41437572 Report

Quoted By: >>41437738 >>41438051 >>41439084 >>41441399 >>41441442 >>41441630

>>41436904
Here is a VGC usage that dropped yesterday btw:
https://pikalytics.com/

The new Dragon is having an early toy syndrome and other than that its looking pretty solid, this year in VGC could be the most diverse yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:00:27 No.41437576 Report

Quoted By: >>41437636 >>41437998 >>41438546 >>41438677 >>41440252

>They're cutting pokemon for a healthy balanced meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:00:42 No.41437582 Report

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>>41436904
The meta feels hollow. Most new moves and abilities and dynamax are built for vgc now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:01:18 No.41437596 Report

Quoted By: >>41437686

>b-b-b-but she doesn't learn shadow claw how can she be good!?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:01:35 No.41437602 Report

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>>41437469
>literally only 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:01:34 No.41437603 Report

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Didn't expect Corviknight to be THAT high

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:02:34 No.41437622 Report

Quoted By: >>41439191 >>41439223

>>41437469
Gen 5 meta was nothing but weather wars

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:02:36 No.41437625 Report

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>>41436904
God I hate Dynamax

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:02:55 No.41437636 Report

Quoted By: >>41437708 >>41437767 >>41438025 >>41438051 >>41439391

>>41437576
>play fanfic meta gf doesn't balance around
>wtf why is it unbalanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:03:21 No.41437649 Report

Quoted By: >>41437732

Corviknight that high, and Obstagoon not even in top 10. Ok.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:04:16 No.41437673 Report

Quoted By: >>41437735 >>41442725

>>41437524
>There are people who really say this given the shitshow that was Platinum meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:04:48 No.41437686 Report

Quoted By: >>41437966 >>41442494

>>41437596
>She
And anyway, it's just early toy syndrome as was said before. Everyone likes the 142 speed stat, but the bad physical movepool and bad defenses aren't gonna last for long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:05:21 No.41437708 Report

Quoted By: >>41437998 >>41438025

>>41437636
That is the third generation in a row game freak does that and smogon STILL doesnt get it

Serious Thread

Serious Thread Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:05:45 No.41437724 Report

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>G-Darmanitan
Even with Dynamax, noobs are with problems to press an attack button. lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:06:06 No.41437732 Report

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>>41437649
Mach Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:06:09 No.41437735 Report

Quoted By: >>41437782

>>41437673
>Shitshow
You mean the best shit we've ever seen? Okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:06:16 No.41437738 Report

Quoted By: >>41437779 >>41437986 >>41440013

>>41437572
Hey this thread is about video games not vgc thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:07:17 No.41437767 Report

Quoted By: >>41437998

>>41437636
>play game model that game freak says is official because people have short attention spans
>but it's official
>must be good
Fuck off, furfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:07:45 No.41437779 Report

Quoted By: >>41437853 >>41437986

>>41437738
Your backyard meta will soon be dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:07:49 No.41437782 Report

Quoted By: >>41437851 >>41437862

>>41437735
>Bombs, hazards and DRAGONS: The Experience
>Best
Don't you give me the "But Weavile and Mamoswine" excuse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:10:01 No.41437823 Report

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>>41436904
Monkey trouble.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:10:32 No.41437831 Report

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>>41436904
>my favorite pokemon is no.1 in ou
Fuck yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:11:27 No.41437851 Report

Quoted By: >>41437905

>>41437782
And all that was great because there were still tons of pokemon and strategies to use. As opposed to
>Gen 5: THE WHEATHER EXPERIENCE
>Gen 7: THE STALL EXPERIENCE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:11:30 No.41437853 Report

Quoted By: >>41437986

>>41437779
It's been more popular than anything your furfag official game has been for over a decade now. Wouldn't count on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:11:45 No.41437862 Report

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>>41437782
>y-yeah bro just take a look at my perfectly-usable OU team of Electivire, Dusknoir, Jolteon, Ninjask, Umbreon and Smeargle

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:13:54 No.41437905 Report

Quoted By: >>41437944

>>41437851
>He didn't run anti-meta in Gen V and watch flowcharters shit themselves

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:14:53 No.41437926 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
we gen 5 again

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:14:59 No.41437930 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436940
No shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:15:59 No.41437944 Report

Quoted By: >>41439861

>>41437905
>He didn't run anti-meta in Gen V
Correct. Because I went back to Gen 4 like any intelligent person would do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:16:55 No.41437966 Report

Quoted By: >>41438006

>>41437686
Use special

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:17:45 No.41437986 Report

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>>41437853
I'm not >>41437779 t. vgc dude, I play little bit of singles too and I just want to have a peace between the 2 formats.

>>41437738
This thread is about usage, so I just thought I'd show the vgc usage as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:18:12 No.41437998 Report

Quoted By: >>41438048 >>41438072 >>41438312

>>41437708
>>41437767
>>41437576

>entire game based around singles
>every piece of media in the franchise based around singles

>"wtf bros why don't people want to play doubles"

Maybe Gamefreak should develop their games around the mode people actually want to play instead of only adding features nobody gives a shit about

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:18:14 No.41438001 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
>rotom-wash
>toxapex
>ferrothorn
>aegislash
>skarmory 2.0
Oh no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:18:27 No.41438006 Report

Quoted By: >>41438084

>>41437966
Yeah, that's what everyone's doing. Either that or mixed. But you can't deny it would've been better for it to just get Shadow Claw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:19:06 No.41438025 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437636
>>41437708
Smogon balances around GameFreak’s poor job of balancing, not the other way around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:20:12 No.41438048 Report

Quoted By: >>41438102 >>41438115 >>41439041

>>41437998
GF knows singles is strategically dead compared to doubles thats why, all you do is switch spam, stall or sweep in singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:20:31 No.41438051 Report

Quoted By: >>41438083

>>41437636
vgc is not a fanfic >>41437572

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:21:30 No.41438072 Report

Quoted By: >>41439382

>>41437998
It pissed me off that Alcremie learned nothing but doubles moves via level up.
It was completely useless in game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:21:52 No.41438083 Report

Quoted By: >>41438144

>>41438051
Thanks for proving my point that the non fanfic meta is more balanced anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:21:53 No.41438084 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
What’s the matter? I see a perfectly healthy ground type on the field.

>>41438006
>Kyurem finally got a physical ice move.
>Another dragon has to use a valuable resource just to access a physical stab move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:22:37 No.41438102 Report

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>>41438048
GF doesn't even know how to make a game that doesn't brick your console. They aren't brilliant game balancers they're just fucking retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:23:10 No.41438115 Report

Quoted By: >>41438153

>>41438048
>Switching BAD
>Games lasting longer than 4 turns BAD
>Fake Out and Protect Spam GOOD

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:23:55 No.41438132 Report

Quoted By: >>41438188 >>41440013

Gyrados is broken as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:24:29 No.41438144 Report

Quoted By: >>41438171

>>41438083
>more balanced
Anything is more balanced than this early metagaming shitshow.
It doesn't mean that vgc is balanced though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:24:35 No.41438149 Report

Quoted By:

This is based on people playing showdown right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:24:43 No.41438151 Report

Quoted By:

why don't VGC players make their own threads instead of shitposting in smogon threads?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:24:45 No.41438153 Report

Quoted By: >>41438267

>>41438115
>singles where the stall cancer is at peak talking shit about Protect spam

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:25:23 No.41438171 Report

Quoted By: >>41438306 >>41438321

>>41438144
>It doesn't mean that vgc is balanced though.
But it is balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:26:02 No.41438188 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438132
>Why aren’t you running choice scarf Bolthund anon? It can even G-max to turn off the scarf then sear Ferrothorn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:29:21 No.41438267 Report

Quoted By: >>41438299

>>41438153
Almost nothing on Stall runs Protect though, while nearly everything in VGC is forced to run protect.
And Stall isn’t even that common in singles with things like Gliscor, Hoopa, and Dynamaxing, especially after STag got banned again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:30:42 No.41438299 Report

Quoted By: >>41438342 >>41438429 >>41438692

>>41438267
>nothing on stall runs protect
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:30:56 No.41438306 Report

Quoted By: >>41438408 >>41438517

>>41438171
Are you blind? Did you see those fucking usage numbers? And differently from the fanfic meta, vgc meta only gets more and more stagnant as they get solved, since they don't change tiers to prevent the meta from becoming stagnant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:31:06 No.41438312 Report

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>>41437998
Because they admittedly make their game for low attention span children and don't understand that us 90s kids pwnerz, manchildren, are the ones actually consuming their product.
They did a great job giving the bricks for a competitive game and just left them in a pile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:31:30 No.41438321 Report

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>>41438171
VGC is one of the least balanced formats in Pokemon, if not all competitive play.
If there was no Money involved, almost no one would be playing VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:31:58 No.41438330 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
gen 5 meta is bad boys

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:32:38 No.41438342 Report

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>>41438299
He's right, I'm a stall player. No protect on a single mon and nobody around me on the ladder on ps does either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:33:05 No.41438354 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
whoa...so balanced...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:35:20 No.41438408 Report

Quoted By: >>41438454

>>41438306
>Vgc is stagnant
Well of course in doubles individual pokemon are just units in a war and some units are superior to others objectively therefore hardly any pokemon gets used in VGC because most of them are shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:36:10 No.41438429 Report

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>>41438299
So you admit you don’t even know what you are talking about?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:37:12 No.41438454 Report

Quoted By: >>41438482 >>41438505 >>41438549

>>41438408
>vgc is balanced because everyone is forced to use the same team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:38:29 No.41438482 Report

Quoted By: >>41438565

>>41438454
No its more fun, not balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:39:13 No.41438505 Report

Quoted By: >>41438565

>>41438454
If everyone is the same then it's perfectly balanced

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:39:50 No.41438517 Report

Quoted By: >>41438719

>>41438306
>Did you see those fucking usage numbers?
Did you?

>b-buh muh stagnant
Yeah I'm sure people discovered optimal strategies like Nuzzle Pachirisu in XY on day 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:40:00 No.41438520 Report

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>>41436904
Wow, I hate it. Looks like absolute garbage. Stall and insane power with dynamax looks *fun*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:41:22 No.41438546 Report

Quoted By: >>41440717 >>41441261

>>41437576
said no one ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:41:33 No.41438549 Report

Quoted By: >>41438565 >>41438604

>>41438454
I mean, he isn’t wrong. Chess only has the king and queen swap places on the black’s side, and its one of the most balanced games to exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:42:33 No.41438565 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438482
>>41438505
>>41438549
I'm laughing because that's his idea for a "healthy and balanced meta".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:42:34 No.41438566 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437487
Yugioh is ugly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:43:06 No.41438580 Report

Quoted By: >>41438630

So smogon uses Pokemon that didn't make the dex this gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:43:55 No.41438604 Report

Quoted By: >>41439357

>>41438549
Chess is so unbalanced that high level players know that they can't win if they move second, thus making it a game of draws

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:44:11 No.41438613 Report

Quoted By: >>41438630

Is tyranitar really that bad for this meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:45:12 No.41438630 Report

Quoted By: >>41438801

>>41438580
Everything from OP is in the game though.

>>41438613
It's #15.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:46:21 No.41438654 Report

Quoted By: >>41438679 >>41438768

>>41436975
For the love of god, it's not gyarados that's the problem. Other than getting power whip, he's the same as he's always been. The issue is dynamax

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:47:11 No.41438677 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437576
It's been a week

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:47:15 No.41438679 Report

Quoted By: >>41438711

>>41438654
Well everyone knows that it's just that Gyarados is easily one of its best abusers and also one of the easiest to use

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:47:41 No.41438692 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438299
>he will then say ferrothorn runs protect despite ferrothorn not being a stallmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:47:52 No.41438697 Report

Quoted By: >>41438751

>smogontards thinking singles was ever good
Cringe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:48:25 No.41438711 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438679
Well then fucking say that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:48:38 No.41438719 Report

Quoted By: >>41438998

>>41438517
>he thinks no one knew about nuzzle pachirisu before
Se jun park did not make up a new strategy on his own. Pachirisu was already considered a viable pokemon several months before the championship, not top tier, since it relies on its gimmick, but a viable pokemon nonetheless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:49:58 No.41438751 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438697
More popular than yiff yiff but it's official still lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:50:35 No.41438768 Report

Quoted By: >>41438805 >>41438833 >>41439889

>>41438654
You cant just ban an entire mechanic of a few broken mons, you have to ban the broken mon instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:51:37 No.41438801 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438630
Yeah but I saw other mons pass in the comments.
I thought they also used the games to play against eachother, so are they solely playing on their emator now? Did they make changes themselves to the cut pokemon?

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:51:42 No.41438805 Report

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>>41438768
Literally the post above the statistics

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:53:16 No.41438833 Report

Quoted By: >>41438925

>>41438768
Nah the mechanic itself is broken.
Z moves were already considered for a suspect last gen and dynamax is z moves on crack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:56:59 No.41438925 Report

Quoted By: >>41438947 >>41438968 >>41438982 >>41439020

>>41438833
Banning Dynamax is ridiculous, ban fucking megas too if you do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:57:49 No.41438940 Report

Quoted By:

little cup with friends is the true competitive experience

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:58:13 No.41438947 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438925
What retards like you can't seem to comprehend is that dynamax doesn't have limited distribution like megas and you can have multiple chances to pull it off unlike z moves. Additionally, you don't need to commit to dynamaxing a pokemon like you need to commit to a Z move or a mega.
I swear to god, there are literal children on this board sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:58:55 No.41438968 Report

Quoted By: >>41439071

>>41438925
Megas are not anywhere near as broken. Even trying to compare them is retarded.

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Serious Thread Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:59:06 No.41438975 Report

Quoted By:

Smogon isn't about balance, is about "Ban the top usage". And since they cannot change base status, acc and power, something new will rise, just like Dragon Ball "strongest in the universe".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:59:12 No.41438982 Report

Quoted By: >>41439102

>>41438925
There are several banned megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 16:59:56 No.41438998 Report

Quoted By: >>41439106

>>41438719
>was already considered a viable pokemon several months before
So not day 1. Thanks for proving my point.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:00:02 No.41439001 Report

Quoted By: >>41439098

>megas and z moves are comparable to dynafaggotry

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:00:41 No.41439020 Report

Quoted By: >>41439053 >>41439079

>>41438925
Do you honestly believe that Mega Audino is as broken as Dynamax Gyarados?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:01:33 No.41439041 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438048
singles would be good if they gave it an absolute turn limit (50 turns or something) to push the game forward

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:02:07 No.41439053 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439020
Mega Audino is cute but not as cute as regular Audino, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:02:52 No.41439071 Report

Quoted By: >>41439095

>>41438968
Certain megas are so broken they cause smogon to rework their entire tier system. Dynamax is nowhere near as broken as Megas that are base stat steroids for the mon that uses it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:03:09 No.41439079 Report

Quoted By: >>41439122

>>41439020
Do you honestly believe Dynamax Pincurchin is as broken as Gyarados?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:03:20 No.41439084 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437572
>dragapult
Literally just use Knock Off like even Linoone used thief lmfao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:03:45 No.41439092 Report

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Someone knows when Feraligatr raised RU to UU Gen 7?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:03:53 No.41439095 Report

Quoted By: >>41439137

>>41439071
>Dynamax is nowhere near as broken as Megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:04:00 No.41439098 Report

Quoted By: >>41439125

>>41439001
Z-moves is Dynamax -the gay effect and HP bonus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:04:12 No.41439102 Report

Quoted By: >>41439163

>>41438982
Yes, several banned Megas, not the entire fucking mechanic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:04:23 No.41439106 Report

Quoted By: >>41439153

>>41438998
What part of "gets more and more stagnant as they get solved" did you not understandw Also, I have no data about what day 1 meta was, so maybe it was a thing, who fucking knows?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:05:13 No.41439122 Report

Quoted By: >>41439180

>>41439079
Dynamax breaks pretty much every set up Pokemon and Pincuchin doesn't use setup so no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:05:25 No.41439125 Report

Quoted By: >>41439156

>>41439098
Except that you can use it 3 times in a row and doesn't need to hold the respective Z-Crystal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:05:41 No.41439137 Report

Quoted By: >>41439169 >>41439184 >>41439981 >>41441649

>>41439095
>Mega Mewtwo isnt broken
>Mega Fug isnt broken
>Mega Lucario isnt broken
>Mega Blaze isnt broken
>Mega Gengar isnt broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:06:16 No.41439153 Report

Quoted By: >>41439256

>>41439106
>it gets more stagnant!
>except it doesn't get stagnant because they solve new things!

epic

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Serious Thread Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:06:21 No.41439156 Report

Quoted By: >>41439209

>>41439125
Protect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:06:31 No.41439163 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439102
Because the mechanic is bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:06:45 No.41439169 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439137
They are.
What's not broken is most of 43 other mega pokemon you didn't list.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:07:18 No.41439179 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437487
>t. seething hoennbabbie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:07:19 No.41439180 Report

Quoted By: >>41439202

>>41439122
>Dynamax breaks pretty much every set up Pokemon
No it doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:07:26 No.41439184 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439137
Three of those are broken without the mega. Mega Blaziken isn't even much better than regular Blaziken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:07:50 No.41439191 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437622
Gen 5 meta was best meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:08:21 No.41439202 Report

Quoted By: >>41439231

>>41439180
Yes it does

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:08:42 No.41439209 Report

Quoted By: >>41439237

>>41439156
protect only blocks half damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:09:12 No.41439223 Report

Quoted By: >>41441668

>>41437622
Weather wars sound fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:09:36 No.41439231 Report

Quoted By: >>41439299 >>41439368

>>41439202
No it doesn't.

>let opponent set up
>lose
>"WAAAAAH DYNAMAX BROKEN :("

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Serious Thread Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:09:56 No.41439237 Report

Quoted By: >>41439272 >>41439291

>>41439209
For a stall mon, it's ok. lul
You couldn't even protect Z moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:10:27 No.41439256 Report

Quoted By: >>41439353

>>41439153
I will take it as you did not understand it at all. Since you are not familiar with competitive lingo, a metagame being solved means that the playerbase has discovered what are the optimal pokemon and teams.
Having a metagame solved is bad, because it means that players can simply flowchart their way to victory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:10:38 No.41439263 Report

Quoted By: >>41439307

Waaahh waaah Dynamax too hard I want my mommy!

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:10:53 No.41439268 Report

Quoted By: >>41439288 >>41439308

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:11:03 No.41439272 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439237
Z moves did 25% through protect which is a lot less.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:12:00 No.41439288 Report

Quoted By: >>41439308

>>41439268
You know I love these.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:12:05 No.41439291 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439237
They also still get the stat boost or weather, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:12:23 No.41439299 Report

Quoted By: >>41439421

>>41439231
Almost like setup Pokemon weren't as stupid before dynamax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:12:46 No.41439307 Report

Quoted By: >>41439367

>>41439263
Dynamax is trash, and just another one of the many things wrong with this terrible, rushed, PS2 game.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:12:48 No.41439308 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439268
>>41439288

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:12:49 No.41439311 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
>Week 1 Usage stats

>The Rapid Spin guy is now #1 after rapid spin got buffed
Who knew

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:12:54 No.41439315 Report

Quoted By:

>gen 5 meta but with weather ability nerf, and weather rocks only boost moves not abilities
thoughts? always wanted to see something like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:14:27 No.41439353 Report

Quoted By: >>41439447 >>41442195

>>41439256
>has discovered what are the optimal pokemon and teams
Evidently not when one guy is running Gyarados, Gardevoir, and Follow Me Pachirisu while everyone else near him isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:14:38 No.41439357 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438604
They can still win if they're the better player, stop spreading lies. Also, the unbalance in chess can easily be eliminated by not picking who goes first at random, but instead making each player go first an equal amount of games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:14:44 No.41439361 Report

Quoted By:

>Ditto at rank 5
Oh what a lovely gen

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:14:52 No.41439367 Report

Quoted By: >>41439396

>>41439307
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:14:54 No.41439368 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439231
Hmmmm... it's almost like.... its almost like.... Dynamax.... makes setup pokemon.... Harder to deal with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:15:19 No.41439382 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438072
>useless in-game
Fairy STAB, stupid attack and bulk available to you upon getting it, and Tri attack/Magical Leaf for whatever resists your attacks is fine.
The only actual problem it has in-game is steel-types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:15:19 No.41439383 Report

Quoted By: >>41439433 >>41439495

>Week 1
>Hawlucha isnt top ten despite being the best Dynamax Pokemon so far
>Gyarados at 7th despite being the second best Dynamax Pokemon

Almost like the Meta Defining mechanic was overhyped

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:15:40 No.41439389 Report

Quoted By: >>41439428 >>41439488 >>41439520 >>41439576 >>41443498

How do you deal with Dynamaxing in Battle Spot Singles? Is there any way to counter besides using d-Guard?

It's just Gyarados and Exadrills everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:15:46 No.41439391 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437636
right now the official singles GF meta is the same as OU, with the exception of sleep clause and Mew being allowed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:15:54 No.41439393 Report

Quoted By: >>41442484

Megas are permanent, while Dynamax is only three turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:15:59 No.41439396 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439367
Yes. Cry. Cry like a little bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:16:53 No.41439421 Report

Quoted By: >>41442441

>>41439299
Almost like you didn't have an option to instantly double one of your Pokemon's HP and gain a free Protect before Dynamax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:17:10 No.41439428 Report

Quoted By: >>41439491

>>41439389
Battle spot singles is completely fucked.
Sorry dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:17:18 No.41439433 Report

Quoted By: >>41439475

>>41439383
>Ditto in the top five solely for its ability to counter the meta defining mechanic
Really makes me think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:17:48 No.41439447 Report

Quoted By: >>41439470

>>41439353
If everyone around you is playing scissors, why would you play scissors too.
Also, I never claimed that any meta was ever 100% solved, but they always get close enough to it, since no competitive player used an unexpected pokemon, or a pokemon that wasn't considered before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:18:59 No.41439470 Report

Quoted By: >>41439513

>>41439447
>If everyone around you is playing scissors, why would you play scissors too
I don't think you understand how rock paper scissors works anon, you would play rock if everyone plays scissors

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:19:13 No.41439474 Report

Quoted By:

I can't believe Sinnoh is going to have to save competitive AGAIN.
Other Gens need to pull their weight too. This is unfair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:19:16 No.41439475 Report

Quoted By: >>41442516

>>41439433
Ditto doesnt exist to counter dynamax, it exists to counter setup sweepers that abuse dynamax, namely Gyarados and Hawlucha, and to maybe Speed Tie with Darmanitan. Thats literally it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:19:49 No.41439488 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439389
bring a ditto

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:19:55 No.41439491 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439428
Figures.
I didn't think Dynamaxing was balanced around 3v3 battles anyway.

>tfw Ribbon collector

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:19:59 No.41439495 Report

Quoted By: >>41440075

>>41439383
Hawlucha will stay somewhat niche because it forces you to run terrain setters or use two turns of setup if you want to set your own terrain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:20:20 No.41439506 Report

Quoted By: >>41439559 >>41439585 >>41439589 >>41439731

Imagine telling people ten years ago that Ditto would be a top threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:20:32 No.41439513 Report

Quoted By: >>41439538 >>41439786

>>41439470
Thanks for agreeing with me. This is why he did not use the same team as everyone else.
Or perhaps you consider RPS to not be a solved game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:20:42 No.41439520 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439389
Battle Spot was always fucked long before Dyna or Megas even existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:21:39 No.41439538 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439513
I completely misread your post

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:22:43 No.41439559 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439506
Well I mean it became viable 9 years ago with it's hidden ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:23:24 No.41439576 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439389
Battlespot and vgc aren't ever fun. Just play smogon rules with your pals and crush a pizza here and there or meet people to play with online. "Yiff tiff but it's official" Pokemon was never a finished product.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:23:46 No.41439585 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439506
It's not a threat, it's a counter to everything.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:23:59 No.41439589 Report

Quoted By: >>41439639

>>41439506
Choice Scarf was introduced Gen 4, Dittos Dream World ability Imposter was introduced Gen 5

So yeah about 9 years now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:26:27 No.41439639 Report

Quoted By: >>41439706

>>41439589
Imposter was hot shit for a time, but ditto kinda tapered off in use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:27:42 No.41439663 Report

Quoted By: >>41439736 >>41439758

>>41436904
>ditto
not a compfag, explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:29:26 No.41439706 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439639
Ditto has always been viable but niche.
It's more common in Ubers than OU.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:30:34 No.41439731 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439506

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:30:54 No.41439736 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439663
>Dex means a bunch of walls and tanks are removed
>Dynamaxes like Gyarados and Hawlucha have insane sweeping power due to setting Weather, Terrain, and increasing stats.
>Only way to beat them reliably is to use Ditto and abuse the stat boosts they gained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:31:49 No.41439758 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439663
Copies all stat boosts of a heavily set-up pokemon, then outspeeds them using scarf. (Unless the other pokemon is also scarfed then it’s a 50/50)
Given how much dynamaxing makes setup sweeping a breeze, Ditto now gets to see the spotlight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:33:24 No.41439786 Report

Quoted By: >>41439841 >>41439851 >>41439868 >>41439883

>>41439513
What exactly counters Ditto? I know Hawlucha will always be faster with Unburden but what else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:34:09 No.41439802 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
wtf bros i thought dexit was suppose to balance the meta wheres my bros le balanced drill of 36 percent hehe me based smogon = cuckolds

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:35:56 No.41439841 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439786

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:36:23 No.41439851 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439786
Substitute
Ghost and Steel Silvally
Hydregion with coverage that is resisted by itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:37:00 No.41439861 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437944
probably one of the most based posts in the board

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:37:08 No.41439868 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439786
substitute, screens

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:37:13 No.41439871 Report

Quoted By:

>Switch in Corsola on Any physical attacker/setup sweeper

>if they cant 2HKO it it'll live and cripple you with willow wisp, haze, strength sap, and chip at you with night shade

Epic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:37:42 No.41439883 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439786
if you dont set up ditto never has a chance to reverse sweep you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:37:57 No.41439889 Report

Quoted By: >>41439947

>>41438768
the problem is literally ANY attack-boosting setup move+max flying (boosts speed)
if Gyarados gets banned, Hawlucha becomes the problem
if Hawlucha gets banned, Togekiss becomes the problem
if Togekiss gets banned, Corviknight becomes the problem, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:39:04 No.41439917 Report

Quoted By: >>41439962 >>41440065

Is Zen Mode Darmanitan fun? Or is Gorilla better?

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:40:03 No.41439947 Report

Quoted By: >>41440059 >>41440264 >>41444494

>>41439889
>Togekiss
>Corviknight

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:40:40 No.41439962 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439917
Gorilla requires less thinking, unga bunga me either use choice band or choice scarf and destroy, zen mode is for belly drum and self inflicted damage sets where you push yourself into the danger zone with prediction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:41:12 No.41439981 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439137
Not all are broken but okay I play along
>some megas are broken
>most aren't broken
Yeah nice logic you got there

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:41:42 No.41439997 Report

Quoted By: >>41440079

>>41436904
>only top 10
WHERE'S THE REST OF IT

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:42:24 No.41440013 Report

Quoted By: >>41442733

>>41438132
Every set up sweeper can be broken with Dynamax in Singles, but game is not designed with singles in mind

>>41437738
Unofficial fan metagame does not count
Pokemon are not designed around 6-on-6 Singles
Everything was made with Doubles in mind
Set up sweepers are not broken in Doubles at all
Max Moves in Doubles ase balanced out by other Max Moves and abilities negating them

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:42:33 No.41440017 Report

Quoted By: >>41441790

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:43:40 No.41440037 Report

Quoted By: >>41440173 >>41441127

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:44:45 No.41440059 Report

Quoted By: >>41440142 >>41440284 >>41440370 >>41444213

>>41439947
I love how this pokemon threatens sweepers just by existing

Like, this thing is so good, name a physical pokemon that can OHKO or at least 2HKO it without at least +2

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:45:00 No.41440065 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439917
gorilla is easier to use and more consistent, zen is high risk-high reward. ironically, gorilla being the more popular of the two actually makes zen better, since people will more often predict wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:45:16 No.41440075 Report

Quoted By: >>41440097 >>41440331

>>41439495
Hawlucha can use White Herb/CC now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:45:32 No.41440079 Report

Quoted By: >>41440347

>>41439997
As far as elitists are concerned, if you are not in top 10, you are shit. Less than half of players use anything outside of top 10.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:46:33 No.41440097 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440075
Still, Electric Seed makes it tanky in Dynamax form, against physical attackers at least

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:48:10 No.41440142 Report

Quoted By: >>41440190

>>41440059
I dont think I can.
Unless its like, a +1 Airstream, and then you haze that shit, you live another, strength sap that shit, now he cant be touched

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:49:25 No.41440173 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440037
these are some of the most hilarious and ridiculous "solutions" to dynamax I've ever seen lmao

it's either getting banned completely or the primary abusers of it are getting banned, period

they will not entertain anything like this pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:50:09 No.41440190 Report

Quoted By: >>41440343

>>41440142
Strength Sap > Burn or haze

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:52:22 No.41440252 Report

Quoted By: >>41440369

>>41437576
Doesn’t Smogon have a 2v2 meta that’s not VGC but isnt too bad in terms of variety? I think the issue has literally always been the box legends that occasionally float through

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:52:56 No.41440264 Report

Quoted By: >>41440363

>>41439947
That thing is going to get flinched to death by Togekiss.

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:53:54 No.41440284 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440059
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite G-Corsola: 276-326 (85.1 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
>doesn't even exist anymore
>*still* can't one-shot corsola

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:55:22 No.41440331 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440075
I have seen way more thunder punch or terrain support hawlucha.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:55:48 No.41440343 Report

Quoted By: >>41440359

>>41440190
Strength Sap ignores burn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:55:52 No.41440347 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440079
FUCK YOU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:56:14 No.41440356 Report

Quoted By: >>41440498 >>41440608 >>41443663

Is Dynamaxing Always better than G-max? Or are there pokemon that want to be G-max?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:56:21 No.41440359 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440343
But strength sap gives corsola sustain, which is vital given that it doesn't have recover

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:56:28 No.41440363 Report

Quoted By: >>41441640

>>41440264
>Cursed Body
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:56:40 No.41440369 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440252
They have Smogon Doubles, last I checked it was still really gay because you can have double Intimidate from Lando+Incineroar and it even made shit like Chansey viable, but it's not like everyone used the same team with a few variations like in box legends metas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:56:41 No.41440370 Report

Quoted By: >>41440407 >>41440461

>>41440059
crawdaunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:58:10 No.41440407 Report

Quoted By: >>41440445

>>41440370
Man, Knockoff really is on just shit tier pokemon now isnt it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 17:59:46 No.41440445 Report

Quoted By: >>41440461 >>41440483

>>41440407
>crawdaunt
>shit tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:00:25 No.41440461 Report

Quoted By: >>41440748 >>41440841

>>41440370
>>41440445
Luckily this isnt 1v1s, so Ferropex walls Crawdaunt Hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:01:25 No.41440483 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440445
Supremely shit tier in gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:01:53 No.41440498 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440356
Grimmsnarl’s G-Max isn’t too bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:05:40 No.41440608 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440356
Hatterene appreciates Gigantamax so its fairy moves don't remove psychic terrain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:07:42 No.41440654 Report

Quoted By: >>41440714

Does Blunder Police activate by Guillotine? I want to try some fun sets and Kingler is bro tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:09:44 No.41440714 Report

Quoted By: >>41440763

>>41440654
It would but OHKO moves are banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:09:48 No.41440717 Report

Quoted By:

>>41438546
Masuda

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:10:08 No.41440726 Report

Quoted By: >>41440779 >>41440928 >>41440967

okay, so i'm trying to understand whats good as of right now and gyrados, excadrill and ditto are very good but can anyone explain to me some other really good pokemon and why they are good? Like I hear corsola is amazing with eviolite now but I don't know why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:10:49 No.41440748 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440461
No it doesn't what the fuck.
Banded knock 2hkos both so neither can switch in and Crawdaunt can CC Ferro on the switch or if it come in vs it.
Pex can wall after being knocked but it would have to pivot with regenerator to be healthy meaning something else is also getting knocked and max dark will blow it away if it's not careful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:11:17 No.41440763 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440714
I mean, sets for casual battles on the cartridge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:12:14 No.41440779 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440726
Corsola is good because it's probably the bulkiest pokemon in the game when it holds eviolite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:12:14 No.41440780 Report

Quoted By: >>41440827 >>41441168

Smogon is fucked. Dynamax doesnt work in 6v6 and if they actually decide to ban it they just admit that they are not relevant anymore. Game freak knew exactly what they are doing. They are pushing vgc hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:13:16 No.41440803 Report

Quoted By: >>41440886 >>41440924 >>41441766 >>41441892

I played showdown for first time today and went 15-3 I lost to timeout because I have to look up the Pokemon resists/weaknesses and check my own to see if I can switch in. Why can't the game be babymode like the real game and show weaknesses or not on the moves?

Just abusing darm scarf lead every single time and people surrender early a lot. Feels like I'm just abusing OP shit and I hate playing catchup even with the dex cut too much stuff to learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:14:14 No.41440827 Report

Quoted By: >>41440917

>>41440780
Why would I ever play gay vgc where dynashit is allowed instead of based formats that don't have that cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:14:41 No.41440841 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440461
no it doesn't lmao

even if it doesn't I don't think you understand the point of a wallbreaker isn't to OHKO walls it's to cripple them

it has a high chance to 2HKO both with band knock off with both running max def/hp, it's not there to KO ferro anyway its to do 60-70% and remove leftovers with band knock off so its crippled and gets cleaned up later

it also revenge kills the fuck out of excadrill the most used pokemon right now??

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:14:46 No.41440844 Report

Quoted By: >>41440909

>>41436904
>My favorite new Pokemon is good
I'm happy

I'd use him regardless, but I'm still happy for him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:16:22 No.41440886 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440803
/weak pokemon you fucking newfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:17:38 No.41440909 Report

Quoted By: >>41441040

>>41440844
Bulk Up Corviknight is Calm Mind Suicune 2.0 except it's got a proper recovery move and can sweep with max fly speed boosts.
It's fucking wild.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:17:47 No.41440917 Report

Quoted By: >>41440944 >>41440999 >>41442662

>>41440827
Its cancer in your meme format. It will turn out fine in vgc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:18:06 No.41440924 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440803
showdown literally gives you orders of magnitude more information at a glance than the cartridge so this is a pretty idiotic thing to complain about

also yeah the low ladder of a kids game is easy go figure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:18:13 No.41440928 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440726
>252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite G-Corsola: 164-194 (50.6 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 192-228 (57.4 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Combine that bulk with Strength Sap, Will-o-Wisp, Stealth Rock/Haze, and Cursed Body and you have a really good wall for such a physical-oriented meta. Also, it has the same bulk on either side so you can run Specially Defensive to some success too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:18:53 No.41440941 Report

Quoted By: >>41441043 >>41441062

Wait, why is Corviknight so high up there? What makes it good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:18:58 No.41440944 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440917
speaking as a vgc dude I'm not 100% sure of that, but people will adapt because they have to

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:19:55 No.41440967 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440726
A defensive pokemon with recovery is amazing, corsola and toxapex are good because of this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:21:18 No.41440999 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440917
Not with dynamax also boosting allies stats it won't.
It doesn't matter anyway because, cancer or not, VGCucks suck gamefreak dick so hard they'll play it regardless and think it's ok.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:22:53 No.41441040 Report

Quoted By: >>41441115 >>41441131 >>41441136

>>41440909
Whats the preferred ability? And whats a good EV spread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:23:00 No.41441043 Report

Quoted By: >>41441095

>>41440941
It's not much less physically bulky than Skarm and has better special bulk. It's a good Defogger thanks to its typing and Pressure, it can be hard to kill with Bulk Up, it's one of the few things that deals with Excadrill comfortably, Taunt lets it shut down fatmons like Ferro and Corsola, the list goes on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:23:37 No.41441062 Report

Quoted By: >>41441095

>>41440941
its flexible and good at both things it does

it can go full phys def and check all the insane phys attackers right now and either defog, taunt, or uturn for momentum

or you can go spec def and bulk up and be a defensive sweeping threat, this one works well with dynamax but doesn't NEED to dynamax to work which is a plus

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:24:46 No.41441091 Report

Quoted By:

Turns out when you can run choice items but not get locked to moves it's preeetty fucking broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:24:56 No.41441095 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441043
>>41441062
Absolutely based. Glad to see a regional bird turn out this good for once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:25:09 No.41441101 Report

Quoted By: >>41441177

VGChads does every pokemon need to have protect in their moveset?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:25:41 No.41441115 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441040
It's a bit early for a definitive spread but bulk up sets usually runs max HP max SpDef careful nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:25:56 No.41441127 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440037
We will see a lot more arena trap dugtrio shit this generation, wont we?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:26:06 No.41441131 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441040
Specially defensive if you're running Bulk Up, physically defensive if you're running Defog. Pressure is preferred on both sets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:26:18 No.41441136 Report

Quoted By: >>41441194 >>41441276

>>41441040
Pressure, since it's stall but mirror is nice aswell
I use impish with 252 to Att and 252 to SPD + assault weist

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:28:06 No.41441168 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440780
You faggots say this every year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:28:17 No.41441177 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441101
nah, but you should usually anticipate it as an option for your opponent

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:28:57 No.41441194 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441136
Impish with no defense investment?
AssVest and losing out on Roost?
You crazy man.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:30:36 No.41441232 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
Remember when charizardfags kept saying that Charizard gonna be very broken and one of the strongest pokemon in Gen8?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:31:03 No.41441243 Report

Quoted By:

Can my boys do anything good or do they suck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:31:39 No.41441261 Report

Quoted By: >>41441335

>>41438546
Masuda said that, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:32:17 No.41441276 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441136
>4 attacks no hp investment mixed defense corviknight
this is shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:32:48 No.41441292 Report

Quoted By: >>41441344

>dex cut for balance
>it's actually a fucking shitshow

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:34:32 No.41441335 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441261
I think it was Ohmori but he's pretty much Masuda's mouthpiece anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:34:57 No.41441344 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441292
Everyone and their mother knows that was complete bullshit like everyone else he said.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:37:07 No.41441399 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437572
>wailmer 0.29%

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:38:55 No.41441442 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437572
>Braviary
Holy shit I might just get into vgc now. My favorite bird is viable?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:44:19 No.41441565 Report

Quoted By: >>41441596 >>41441598 >>41441601 >>41441679 >>41441709 >>41441721

First month of Sun Moon OU stats for comparison
https://www.smogon.com/stats/2016-11/gen7ou-1825.txt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:45:23 No.41441596 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441565
Let it be known that Gen 7 was the worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:45:28 No.41441598 Report

Quoted By: >>41441723

>>41441565
>Marowak #2
Oh man, I remember when people still thought that was good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:45:43 No.41441601 Report

Quoted By: >>41441697

>>41441565
I forget, is the last % the real %?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:45:45 No.41441605 Report

Quoted By: >>41441719

>>41436904
Why dragapult?
Why corvinight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:46:04 No.41441613 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
Corviknight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:46:34 No.41441630 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437572
>Dragon is having early toy syndrome
Dragapult is clearly good though?

>muh movepool
Phantom force is unironically great for Dynamax and on a sub dd set too so I dont know what youre smoking

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:46:34 No.41441631 Report

Quoted By:

>>41436904
It's like the wild west, except instead of cowboys and prairie niggers it's darmanitan and ditto

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:46:53 No.41441640 Report

Quoted By: >>41441666

>>41440363
air slash is a noncontact dipshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:47:35 No.41441649 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439137
Notice how the first two you listed are fucking legends that are intentionally designed to be broken anyways? And mind you regular Blaziken is just as broken as its Mega and can deal more damage via life orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:48:04 No.41441666 Report

Quoted By: >>41441678 >>41441773

>>41441640
Cursed Body doesn't need contact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:48:06 No.41441668 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439223
It wasn't fucking fun, you retarded zoomer. It was facing the same Politoed + Kingdra team with infinite rain or Tyranitar + Excadrill with infinite sand and getting your ass destroyed if you didn't run weather as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:48:41 No.41441678 Report

Quoted By: >>41441729

>>41441666
Since when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:48:42 No.41441679 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441565
>Pex
>Celesteela
>Kart
>All the tapus
Literal cancer, how can people think this is better than sword and shield right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:49:34 No.41441697 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441601
yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:49:45 No.41441709 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441565
>this meta is unironically more diverse than swsh’s
haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:50:12 No.41441719 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441605
>Why dragapult?
3rd fastest pokemon (excluding legendaries.) Can run physical or special. pretty poor defenses but that doesn't matter if you dynamax it
>Why corvinight?
good defensive typing, moderate bulk, one of the few decent tailwind setters, flying and steel max moves raise speed/def respectively so it can snowball

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:50:18 No.41441721 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441565
>| 64 | Landorus-Therian | 1.79494% | 32708 | 1.860% | 27793 | 2.157% |
LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:50:19 No.41441723 Report

Quoted By: >>41441918

>>41441598
Marowak WAS good, it was a complete counter to Pheromosa you sub 1100 elo retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:50:28 No.41441729 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441678
since always

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:52:04 No.41441766 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440803
this is why showdown fags are gay, they don't even know how to play the game and have to look shit up mid battle and essentially have other people make their decisions for them, what cucks

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:52:22 No.41441773 Report

Quoted By: >>41441827

>>41441666
>being wrong

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:53:03 No.41441790 Report

Quoted By: >>41441863 >>41441943 >>41442088

>>41440017
>toxtriciity
>good
every single person here and anywhere else that listens to smogon or agrees with them are peak brainlets.
>dude boomburst
non stab boomburst coming from a pitifully low special attack stat is not even close to being threatening.
kill yourselves smogon shitters

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:54:29 No.41441827 Report

Quoted By: >>41441848 >>41441908

>>41441773
I have definitely gotten cursed bodied by shadowballing a corsola with my dragapult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:55:27 No.41441848 Report

Quoted By: >>41441908

>>41441827
I just looked up the effect of cursed body

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:56:11 No.41441863 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441790
Boomburst OHKOs Hippowdown and does 70% to Excadrill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:57:35 No.41441892 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440803
Why didn't you just memorize the types of all the new Pokemon? There less than 40 fully evolved ones this gen

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:58:15 No.41441908 Report

Quoted By: >>41442010

>>41441848
>>41441827

Idiotic retards
It says nothing about "contact moves"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:58:30 No.41441918 Report

Quoted By: >>41442277

>>41441723
>slow
>frail
>weak to rocks
>no recovery
>relies on flare blitz (or has to trade its best STAB for Fire Punch)
Pretty shit 'complete counter' to a U-turn abuser. Yeah it was better than it is now when Genesect and Pheromosa were around but it was never good, massively overrated mon since day 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 18:59:53 No.41441943 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441790
>Non STAB

Punk Rock gives a 1.5 increase to sound based moves you utter shitheel, its the same shit as having Boomburst be STAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:02:25 No.41442010 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441908
it says “a move”, moron

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:04:34 No.41442067 Report

Quoted By: >>41442114 >>41442168 >>41442439 >>41443061

>Boomburst is now 210 BP
>Overdrive is 120BP STAB

I'd say this is a scarfer with some pretty hefty moves, itd be hard to switch into it if you dont have a corsola

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:05:09 No.41442088 Report

Quoted By:

>>41441790
>pitifully low special attack stat
114 isn't 'pitifully low'
>non stab boomburst
Punk Rock Boomburst from Toxtricity is stronger than Nidoking's STAB Earth Power with Sheer Force and Life Orb. And that's without even holding an item.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:06:03 No.41442114 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442067
A specs Wallbreaker set sounds terrifying

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:07:54 No.41442168 Report

Quoted By: >>41442395

>>41442067
Looks garbage. Objectively worse than Chatot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:09:10 No.41442195 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439353
Who runs Gardevoir? Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:12:46 No.41442277 Report

Quoted By: >>41442362

>>41441918
Stopping Pheremosa/Genesect/Tapu Koko IS what made it good you fucking retard. Might as well complain about Magnezone being bad when there aren't steel-types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:16:42 No.41442362 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442277
It did a shit job as a stop to any of them, the fact that it could switch in at all gave it more value but even with them around it never did much. Stall was like its only good matchup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:18:22 No.41442395 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442168
You just have a shitty eye

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:19:45 No.41442439 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442067
>Put on Specs
>do 70-80% on a Ferrothorn

Hah

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:19:52 No.41442441 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439421
you mouthbreathing retard, the one that initiates the dynamax is the one that has the momentum of the match in his favour, if you d-max a wall good luck, you are stuck with a shitter with 1 attacking move and 3 protects

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:21:34 No.41442484 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439393
ok retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:22:04 No.41442494 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437686
All you need from its physical movepool is Dragon Darts for mixed and U-Turn for specs and mixed. It has just enough to do damage with. Defenses are actually serviceable thanks to its typing giving it good immunities and resistances, let it pull off some cool support sets like dual screens and wisp hex in conjunction with the fast speed. Also shits on Corsola/Ferro/Pex cores while being a threat to offensive teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:22:34 No.41442516 Report

Quoted By: >>41442570

>>41439475
Ditto is fucking there to counter dynamax you retarded fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:24:28 No.41442570 Report

Quoted By: >>41442648

>>41442516
>He cant fucking read

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:26:06 No.41442611 Report

Quoted By: >>41442680

What the hell do I even run on Braviary for dubs/vgc? Tail Wind, Protect and Brave Bird(rip Sky Drop) are obvious, but then what? Rock Slide? Close Combat? Superpower? Roost? U turn? I don't fucking know.

Also, is Jolly Ttar the best nature for it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:27:20 No.41442640 Report

Quoted By:

>Competitive Pogeymanz
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:27:35 No.41442648 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442570
yes? and dynamax makes setup a fucking joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:28:05 No.41442662 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440917
>yiff yiff it's official even nobody plays it
Imagine caring about a seal of approval for a game mode game freak admittedly chose due to the low attention span of children

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:28:46 No.41442673 Report

Quoted By: >>41442735

>>41436904
>Ditto
Why

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:29:04 No.41442680 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442611
Seen a lot of people using Close Combat, since you get an attack boost from the max move, and it means you can actually hurt steel types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:30:50 No.41442725 Report

Quoted By:

>>41437673
Yoy want a pokemon defining a meta?
Bullet Punch Scizor the moment Platinum was released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:31:10 No.41442733 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440013
>yiff yiff it's official even though nobody plays it
>but it's official
Furfag doubles tranny npc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:31:14 No.41442735 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442673
Imposter

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:38:08 No.41442881 Report

Quoted By: >>41442975 >>41443129

Not that I'm complaining, but why is this chubby qtp2t the most used Pokemon right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:39:26 No.41442906 Report

Quoted By: >>41442947 >>41442975

252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Dracozolt Bolt Beak vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex : 304-358 (100 - 117.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:41:00 No.41442947 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442906
>misses

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:42:04 No.41442975 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442906
>hustle
>>41442881
outspeeds pretty much anything in sand, high attack, great offensive typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:46:01 No.41443061 Report

Quoted By: >>41443153

>>41442067
>outsped by excadrill with 4x weakness to ground
He's a dead boi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:49:43 No.41443129 Report

Quoted By:

>>41442881
>good hazard control in a gen where that's become much rarer
>the best lead for hyper offense
>one of the fastest threats in the meta under sand
>one of the best dynamax sweepers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:50:35 No.41443153 Report

Quoted By: >>41443300

>>41443061
This aint a 1v1 game, you do have an Excadrill check/counter right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:57:03 No.41443300 Report

Quoted By: >>41443362

>>41443153
I hope you do, because Excadrill, G-Darmanitan, and Dragapult all outspeeds and OHKO's it. And they are all each at over 1/3 usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 19:59:43 No.41443362 Report

Quoted By: >>41443590

>>41443300
Still, if any of those switches in, Boomburst will massively chunk if not OHKO all of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 20:05:38 No.41443498 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439389
Maybe dmax polteaguist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 20:10:12 No.41443590 Report

Quoted By:

>>41443362
I'm not saying that Toxtricity is not viable, but he's in a tight spot. You have to be careful about Overdrive too, because that's what you will want to use against some of the other popular mons, but Excadrill, the most used mon, is immune to it and can safely switch into.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 20:13:14 No.41443663 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440356
Dreadnaw is one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 20:35:08 No.41444213 Report

Quoted By:

>>41440059
Life Orb Dragapult with Shadow Ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 20:46:28 No.41444494 Report

Quoted By:

>>41439947
>Stopping Power Trip Corviknight once it has Dynamaxed itself up.

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