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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:15:08 No.41445158 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>41445179 >>41445187 >>41445210 >>41445250 >>41445637 >>41449069 >>41451124 >>41454014 >>41456689 >>41460577 >>41463532 >>41463558

>Fisheous Rend is boosted by Strong Jaw
>Fisheous Rend does double damage when the opponent switches out
This thing is a monster. Full power Fisheous Rend has 255 base power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:16:17 No.41445179 Report

Quoted By: >>41445500

>>41445158
>>Fisheous Rend does double damage when the opponent switches out
what? Seriously?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:16:33 No.41445187 Report

Quoted By: >>41445244 >>41451420

>>41445158
I noticed some new mons have unique animations for their signature moves, specifically the starters and Morgrem (don’t know about the rest of the line). Do the fossils have unique animations for theirs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:17:22 No.41445200 Report

Quoted By: >>41445280

>"Using the full potential of your pokemon and working around its weaknesses? Pff, what's? WhateverTheFuckMon use Mega Evolve Zmove GigaMax!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:17:41 No.41445210 Report

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>>41445158
Based abomination.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:19:23 No.41445244 Report

Quoted By: >>41447803

>>41445187
No. Dracozolt uses Bolt Beak by swinging its tail.
It's retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:19:34 No.41445247 Report

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waterfags dominate another gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:19:49 No.41445250 Report

Quoted By: >>41445513

>>41445158
meh I've already set up hawlucha by the time your gimmicks activate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:21:09 No.41445280 Report

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>>41445200
https://youtu.be/cmUQJ2Nx4UI

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:30:31 No.41445500 Report

Quoted By: >>41445522 >>41445649 >>41445891 >>41452953 >>41457272

>>41445179
No, it does more damage if it goes FIRST. It has shitty speed so it would have to drop Strong Jaw for Sand Rush when that ability comes out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:31:12 No.41445513 Report

Quoted By: >>41446791 >>41446804

>>41445250
>sents out Ditto
Nothing personal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:31:28 No.41445522 Report

Quoted By: >>41445542 >>41445696 >>41451029

>>41445500
attacking when the opponent switches counts as "going first"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:32:13 No.41445542 Report

Quoted By: >>41445569 >>41445696

>>41445522
Does that actually work? I never knew that worked for "if you go first" attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:33:11 No.41445569 Report

Quoted By: >>41445696

>>41445542
so I'm told

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:36:18 No.41445637 Report

Quoted By: >>41445759

>>41445158
>get one
>use it through most of the game
>become attached to this specific one
>find out Strong Jaw is the ability you want
>mine has Water Absorb
This must be what it feels like to be a Galar fossilmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:36:47 No.41445649 Report

Quoted By: >>41445869

>>41445500
Just slap a Choice Scarf on it. It barely even needs to switch moves anyway. A resisted Fisheous Rend is often stronger than even supereffective coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:38:28 No.41445696 Report

Quoted By: >>41445723

>>41445522
>>41445542
>>41445569

not sure if he's trolling or an idiot. the ability "analytic" does extra damage if the user goes second, and procs on switches too. fishious rend is the exact opposite

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:39:30 No.41445723 Report

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>>41445696
twitter.com/i/web/status/1197686299995471877

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:40:52 No.41445759 Report

Quoted By: >>41445881

>>41445637
Get an Ability Capsule from the Battle Tower. While you're at it, if you really want to use it, you're probably going to need nature mints and Bottlecaps too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:43:26 No.41445812 Report

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Scarf viable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:45:29 No.41445869 Report

Quoted By: >>41446917 >>41449208

>>41445649
Even with Scarf it's too slow in the current meta. You're better of running band to destroy slow walls. With CB this fucker 2HKOs Ferrothorn with a resisted physical move.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1014824202

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:45:49 No.41445877 Report

Quoted By: >>41446894

>Only 90 base attack
>Too slow to get the attack boost most of the time unless you scarf it
>Even with a scarf it has to run jolly nature to be fast enough
It's shit. Could you over rate this thing any harder? God, you're bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:45:57 No.41445881 Report

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>>41445759
Got plenty of Bottle Caps trying to get his fossil brethren.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 21:46:24 No.41445891 Report

Quoted By: >>41446756

>>41445500
Can you use Tailwind support/trick room?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:19:25 No.41446756 Report

Quoted By: >>41448783

>>41445891
Its speed is so middling I can't imagine TR helping much. Tailwind maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:21:01 No.41446791 Report

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>>41445513
>He doesn't know

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:21:21 No.41446804 Report

Quoted By: >>41454433

>>41445513
Ditto transformed into Hawlucha is slower than the real Hawlucha because of Uburden

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:23:25 No.41446870 Report

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What even is the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:24:17 No.41446894 Report

Quoted By: >>41446938

>>41445877
>255 BP attack
>Before Stab
>Before rain
>In a meta where stall is popular on high ladder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:25:19 No.41446917 Report

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>>41445869
doesn't it get some flying move to abuse the dmax moves with and increase the speed?

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:26:15 No.41446938 Report

Quoted By: >>41451106

>>41446894
>75 base speed
>90 base attack
OH NONONONONONO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:29:48 No.41447053 Report

Quoted By: >>41447140 >>41447390

Shit man, Fishious rend is dumb
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1197686299995471877

Im gonna say that Sand rush on this pokemon is for a fact gonna be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:32:34 No.41447140 Report

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>>41447053
A big part of fisheous rends power is the strong jaw boost. Sand rush probably won't be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:34:27 No.41447192 Report

Quoted By: >>41447243 >>41447286 >>41448481

Why would I use this shit when darmanitan zen mode hits harder and is way faster?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:35:49 No.41447243 Report

Quoted By: >>41447412

>>41447192
Because one needs setup and the other doesnt
Doofus

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:37:06 No.41447286 Report

Quoted By: >>41447412

>>41447192
>he'd rather have wins than have soul
toplul

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:38:04 No.41447320 Report

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"Master, will you finally kill me if I win this battle?. PLEASE?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:41:02 No.41447390 Report

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>>41447053
Ehhhh doubtful. This thing would work better in rain with swift swim due to the extra damage fishous would get but alas, we get neither swift nor proper rain synergy for our third water/dragon because fuck us i guess
At most, once its HA DOES come out, it'll be high UU, low OU cuz clefable and actual weather abusers still outclass it but uhh, that's a hard fucking IF chief

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:41:51 No.41447412 Report

Quoted By: >>41447857

>>41447243
And Dracovish needs to come in on something slower than it to even make any kind of impact. So at best its a mediocre revenge killer, or you have to setup trick room.
>>41447286
dracovish is an ugly piece of shit. Kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:55:36 No.41447803 Report

Quoted By:

>>41445244
Damn it game freak

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 22:57:46 No.41447857 Report

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>>41447412
Dracovish should work wonders as a Smash Pass Fodder/ Sand Rush Sweeper. OP also did not account for the STAB bonus, which elevates it to 382.5 BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:20:52 No.41448481 Report

Quoted By: >>41448555

>/vp/ CONSTANTLY cries about stall
>doesn't realize that Band Dracovish absolutely rapes the entire playstyle, especially under rain
>>41447192
Maybe Gorilla Tactics hits harder, Zen most certainly doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:23:40 No.41448555 Report

Quoted By: >>41448598 >>41448660 >>41448738 >>41451486

>>41448481
>Maybe Gorilla Tactics hits harder, Zen most certainly doesn't.
Anon, zen mode darmanitan sets up with belly drum which gives it over 1600 attack. It most certainly hits harder than dracovish. At least try to learn the meta game before you say something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:25:45 No.41448598 Report

Quoted By: >>41448623

>>41448555
Will Stealth Rock + Mach/Bullet Punch end Zenmanitan's setup?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:26:55 No.41448623 Report

Quoted By: >>41448690

>>41448598
Heavy duty boots exist and scizor doesnt so no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:28:30 No.41448660 Report

Quoted By: >>41448757

>>41448555
>setup
>a very risky one at all
So they aren't comparable at all.
You play Dracovish literally just by clicking Band Fishious Rend, because nothing is actually going to tank it, it does 60% to Ferrothorn and Toxapex. Gorilla Tactics Darmanitan is comparable because they have the same playstyle, Zen Darmanitan isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:29:30 No.41448690 Report

Quoted By: >>41448710

>>41448623
Iron Fist Pangoro Mach Punch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:30:24 No.41448710 Report

Quoted By: >>41448780

>>41448690
Sorry anon, psychic terrain is on the field. You lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:31:38 No.41448738 Report

Quoted By: >>41448780

>>41448555
>Conkledurr used Mach Punch!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:32:23 No.41448757 Report

Quoted By: >>41460549

>>41448660
>You play Dracovish literally just by clicking Band Fishious Rend, because nothing is actually going to tank it
Unless you are faster than what youre hitting a fuck ton of things can tank it. Are you living in some kind of fantasy world where 75 speed is somehow alot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:33:26 No.41448780 Report

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>>41448738
see
>>41448710

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:33:30 No.41448783 Report

Quoted By: >>41448816

>>41446756
I mean if lagging tail is in sw/sh maybe it could be good with trick room

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:35:14 No.41448816 Report

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>>41448783
you'd have to run iron ball or room service, lagging tail doesn't work like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:37:43 No.41448877 Report

Quoted By: >>41448920 >>41463697

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Toxapex in Rain: 276-326 (90.7 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
OH NO NO NO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:39:53 No.41448920 Report

Quoted By: >>41449015

>>41448877
>even after all that setup its still not a guaranteed k.o.
Pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:43:38 No.41449015 Report

Quoted By: >>41449058

>>41448920
what setup? having pelipper on your team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:45:06 No.41449058 Report

Quoted By: >>41450686

>>41449015
>need to use 2 mons just to have a 43% chance to kill toxapex
PATHETIC

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:45:27 No.41449069 Report

Quoted By: >>41449206

>>41445158
Yeah sure but looking at shit in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster. There's plenty of pokémon that hit like absolute trucks but in real situations are utter shit because everything else about them is pretty shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:46:48 No.41449111 Report

Quoted By:

>41449058
poor bait, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:50:04 No.41449206 Report

Quoted By:

>>41449069
i don't think any pokemon has hit this fucking hard ever
with band it hits harder than a +2 mega mawile
time will tell but i'm certain it's going to have a niche in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:50:06 No.41449208 Report

Quoted By: >>41449242

>>41445869
Band is better in all circumstances anyway.
Scarf: 2X damage if you go first
Band: 1.5 damage in all cases, 2.5x if you go first

The real problem with Dracovish is its bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 23:51:35 No.41449242 Report

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>>41449208
band is actually 3x if you go first, multipliers aren't additive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 00:48:39 No.41450686 Report

Quoted By: >>41450730 >>41452162 >>41463570

>>41449058
what else can even come close to OHKO'ing pex with less setup tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 00:50:10 No.41450716 Report

Quoted By: >>41450809

Adamant landorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 00:50:42 No.41450730 Report

Quoted By:

>>41450686
lots of things, but none of them with a resisted move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 00:53:59 No.41450797 Report

Quoted By: >>41450862

would he be good in doubles with tailwind Pelipper support?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 00:54:32 No.41450809 Report

Quoted By: >>41451068

>>41450716
Adamant landorus actually can't ohko pex. Which was quite shocking when I learned it. Not that it matters anyway. Ohkoing pex is absolutely nightmare, especially if you're hitting the more invested defense. I've seen mewtwo y do it, specs koko do it under terrain, and z moves of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 00:56:06 No.41450837 Report

Quoted By: >>41451380

How the fuck this thing is stll alive is even amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 00:57:14 No.41450862 Report

Quoted By:

>>41450797
possibly, but if it does end up being a threat people will probably start running storm drain and it'll end up useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:02:50 No.41451029 Report

Quoted By:

>>41445522
No it doesn't. Tested on showdown. Not sure if in the game it works with switches too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:04:12 No.41451068 Report

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>>41450809
>252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 206-246 (67.7 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
Holy Shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:05:28 No.41451106 Report

Quoted By:

>>41446938
And you're still gonna lose against that, look at how pathetic you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:06:10 No.41451124 Report

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>>41445158
>gf designs a cock based pokemon

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Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:14:56 No.41451380 Report

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>>41450837

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:16:45 No.41451420 Report

Quoted By: >>41452704 >>41458114

>>41445187
Every new Pokemon only have two attacking animations

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:19:24 No.41451486 Report

Quoted By:

>>41448555
>zen mode
Nice 1100 elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:49:31 No.41452162 Report

Quoted By:

>>41450686
Dracozolt's Bolt Beak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 01:53:20 No.41452260 Report

Quoted By: >>41452626 >>41452663

Which is better, this one or Dracozolt? Hustle's pretty good too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 02:07:22 No.41452626 Report

Quoted By: >>41452663

>>41452260
Hustle sucks just because missing is ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 02:08:33 No.41452651 Report

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You are now imagining what Fishious Rend Mega Sharpedo would've done to the metagame.
You are now imagining what Bolt Beak Tapu Koko would've done to the metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 02:08:51 No.41452663 Report

Quoted By: >>41453000 >>41455698

>>41452626
>>41452260
I've always wondered, does Hustle boost attacks that don't miss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 02:10:32 No.41452704 Report

Quoted By: >>41463739

>>41451420
No, I’ve seen morgrem do a special thing where it got down on its knees and stabbed with its hair when it used a specific attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 02:20:12 No.41452953 Report

Quoted By:

>>41445500
Given the name, I’m kind of surprised the barracuda doesn’t learn it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 02:21:58 No.41453000 Report

Quoted By:

>>41452663
you mean shit like aerial ace? yeah it does boost those

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 03:04:25 No.41454014 Report

Quoted By:

>>41445158
fucking based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 03:21:03 No.41454433 Report

Quoted By: >>41454844

>>41446804
>he doesn't run sash ditto
get a load of this guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 03:38:58 No.41454844 Report

Quoted By:

>>41454433
>praying the opponent never gets up rocks AND you win a speed tie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 03:49:15 No.41455082 Report

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Dracozolt is actually really good. Dracovish ain't half bad either

unfortunately the Arctos are stuck with SLOW ICE TYPE syndrome, hopefully their hidden abilities get released so they can actually be usable, although that would mean the Dracos would become even more powerful than they already are now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 04:17:29 No.41455698 Report

Quoted By:

>>41452663
Yeah, which why Dracozolt is so good with Dynamax + Aerial Ace. Before you d-max you have move that never misses even with Hustle, after you D-max you have a way of getting speed boosts with Max Airstream to hit your Bolt Beak later, and while you're D-maxed all your moves never miss and still benefit from Hustle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 04:20:39 No.41455776 Report

Quoted By: >>41456711 >>41457346

What are some good nicknames for these dudes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 04:57:08 No.41456689 Report

Quoted By:

>>41445158
>Fisheous Rend
what a strange name for a move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 04:57:45 No.41456711 Report

Quoted By:

>>41455776
I named my Dracovolt Frankensaur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 05:17:41 No.41457272 Report

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>>41445500
>It has shitty speed so it would have to drop Strong Jaw for Sand Rush
>Implying you couldn't just put choice band on it so it still had unga bunga levels of power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 05:20:16 No.41457346 Report

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>>41455776
Nina.

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Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 05:30:48 No.41457620 Report

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>if it's not a sweeper it's shit!
Alright, who let the retards in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 05:52:19 No.41458114 Report

Quoted By:

>>41451420
>he uses the dex for reference

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 08:08:43 No.41460549 Report

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>>41448757
Name a viable wall that's faster than Dracovish without sacrificing a ton of bulk. It's a WALLbreaker, it's not supposed to sweep offense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 08:11:33 No.41460577 Report

Quoted By: >>41463481

>>41445158
Bolt beak has 255 with hustle but only 80% accuracy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 11:25:54 No.41462776 Report

Quoted By:

isnt it pretty slow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 12:24:17 No.41463481 Report

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>>41460577
it still has 170, you retard, Hustle increases Dracozolt attack stat by 50%, which is worse than boosting the attack damage by 50%

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 12:30:18 No.41463532 Report

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>>41445158
Switching out doesn't activate the double power boost. Only when you go first on established mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 12:32:03 No.41463558 Report

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>>41445158
The fossil moves are some funny ass shit.
They're gonna be absolutely hilarious in things like Hackmons

>252+ Atk Choice Band Zekrom Bolt Beak vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Zamenzenta in Electric Terrain: 282-333 (72.6 - 85.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (assuming Zekrom goes first)

lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 12:33:03 No.41463570 Report

Quoted By:

>>41450686
Hat using psyshock/psychic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 12:46:32 No.41463697 Report

Quoted By: >>41463998

>>41448877
They still aren't doing 252 252 def calcs, I swear you infants don't play the tier

Did you forget Pex needs to tank like 12 different fire and water phys attackers along with Darmanitan

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 12:49:57 No.41463739 Report

Quoted By:

>>41452704
Can confirm, it does this in raids
It's False Surrender; Morgrem begs with hits hands together then drops to its knees and bows, which is when the hair spike manifests and stabs forward.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 13:12:23 No.41463998 Report

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>>41463697
Im seeing more special bulk tox than physical and that's because of hat going ham on it and a few other physic users. Usually tox is the special wall while ferro the physical one

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