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>>41556480
Its like they weren't even trying to be subtle with the propaganda

>sobble is a child who's afraid of everything and a huge crybaby
>drizzile is an edgelord teenager who tries to use flashy colors to stand out, is likely friendless, and makes school shooter weapons
>Inteleon is a transitioned adult who has now become more confident in themself after the transition and went back to using sobble's colors to represent finally "being themself"

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:23:44 No.41556561 Report

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>>41556432
>Are the "monster" starters more popular than the "muh theme profession" starters?

Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:23:47 No.41556562 Report

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>>41556508
>>41556545
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:25:04 No.41556584 Report

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>>41556454
Those are also monsters anon.
What do you think a werewolf is? Frankenstein's monster? Fucking Dracula? Get off your high horse

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:26:31 No.41556615 Report

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>>41556545
This sounds retarded, but thinking about how much better Dewgong is than Seel makes it obvious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:27:11 No.41556635 Report

Quoted By: >>41556704 >>41556724 >>41556966

>Most popular starter by far is a fire-breathing dragon with no anthropomorphic features whatsoever

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:28:15 No.41556659 Report

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>>41556432
*ahem*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:30:10 No.41556704 Report

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>>41556635

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:30:50 No.41556720 Report

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>>41556659
Have you not seen a frog? Same body composition except for the head you fucking nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:31:04 No.41556724 Report

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>>41556635
>Bipedal
>Thumbs
>Human behavior
>Not anthromorphic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:31:35 No.41556739 Report

Quoted By: >>41557028

>>41556432
most people aren't autistic enough to care about that distinction in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:32:37 No.41556766 Report

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>>41556508
Agreed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:42:15 No.41556966 Report

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>>41556635
It has anthropomorphic features, just not as many as the new ones. If anything it's by far the most anthro in its trio, while the most monster like (Venusaur) is by far the least popular

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:44:20 No.41557028 Report

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>>41556739
But most players DO have their favorite starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:44:46 No.41557040 Report

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>>41556508
“Just gets bigger” is only bad when it’s nearly identical with the pre-evo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:44:52 No.41557044 Report

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>>41556720
Did you not read the op retard? Greninja is a fucking ninja, which goes under “theme profession” starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:44:55 No.41557045 Report

Quoted By: >>41557116 >>41557287 >>41558496 >>41558859

Theme and personality > Generic shitty monsters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:45:26 No.41557058 Report

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>>41556966
>It has anthropomorphic features, just not as many as the new ones.
As much as a tiranosaur

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:45:46 No.41557073 Report

Quoted By: >>41557212 >>41557240

>>41556546
The polls you see are Just on the internet. Greninja and Braixen are both humanoid starters who were extremely popular. Incineroar had solid popularity as well. And now people really like cinderace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:46:18 No.41557088 Report

Quoted By: >>41557150 >>41557221

>>41557044
Fuck off Greninja is a monster with a theme moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:47:34 No.41557116 Report

Quoted By: >>41557206

>>41557045
Who gives a rats arse about themes or lore? They're bloody monsters that beat the shit out of each other, I want a monster that looks like it can beat the shit out of stuff. None of this scrawny trash that looks like it'd die to a stiff fart.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:47:56 No.41557132 Report

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>>41557040
So like,
>Nidoran => Nidorino = Bad
>Nidorino => Nidoking = Good
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:48:35 No.41557150 Report

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>>41557088
It’s a cartoon animal designed around a human profession. Not a monster

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:50:14 No.41557181 Report

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>>41557132
No it's more like
>Pidgey => Pideotto = Good
>Pidgeotto => Pidgeot = Bad
I genuinely couldn't tell the latter apart for the longest time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:50:35 No.41557192 Report

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>>41557058
Not really, those are know to have much smaller arms and would be able to pick up stuff for example

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:51:17 No.41557206 Report

Quoted By: >>41557284

>>41557116
Then there are 5 generations of games and many rom hacks for you to enjoy. Gamefreak doesn't have to make the same game a 10th time to please you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:51:32 No.41557210 Report

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>>41556432
yfw this fake Intelleon looks way better than what we got

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:51:36 No.41557212 Report

Quoted By: >>41557233

>>41557073
I've never seen a single poll where Braixen does well, same for Incineroar

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:52:11 No.41557221 Report

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>>41557088
Alright, stay in denial fag

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:52:40 No.41557232 Report

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>>41557192
I appreciate Smash giving Charizard a bit of muscle. Its arms look scrawny as fuck in some art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:52:42 No.41557233 Report

Quoted By: >>41557272 >>41557280

>>41557212
Again, stop basing your opinion on these stupid polls. The majority of players don't participate in those polls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:53:07 No.41557240 Report

Quoted By: >>41557270

>>41557073
Greninja is popular, but I have never seem proof for the others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:54:24 No.41557265 Report

Quoted By: >>41557292

>>41556432
The problem with the more recent designs is that there's too much focus on making them characters and not enough on the monster part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:54:39 No.41557270 Report

Quoted By: >>41557341

>>41557240
How about the fact they're featured heavily in the anime? Why would they do that if they weren't popular?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:54:50 No.41557272 Report

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>>41557233
I read your post wrong, my bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:55:16 No.41557280 Report

Quoted By: >>41557313

>>41557233
>The majority of players don't participate in those polls.
So WHERE are you taking your point from? Which proof you have? Even Twitter polls full of normalfags show the monsters ahead.

You can't just say "no, THESE are the most popular ones, not what the polls say" without any proof.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:55:25 No.41557284 Report

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>>41557206
I never said that you raving moron.
I'm the optimistic minority that actually enjoys the fact all the new Pokemon look like dogshit, so beating them with the old ones is all the more satisfying.
Ignoring the fact most of the old Pokemon no longer exist, but you know, win some, lose some.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:55:31 No.41557287 Report

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>>41557045
monster with theme and personality > monster > generic anthro with a forced gimmick and overbearing characterisation that makes them feel more like an NPC than a living creature

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:55:41 No.41557292 Report

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>>41557265
Can you explain why that is a problem?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:56:29 No.41557310 Report

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>>41556558
take some time off of 4chan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:56:44 No.41557313 Report

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>>41557280
Jesus get out of your bubble dude, most people don't use Twitter. You seriously think Twitter and leddit are representative of mainstream opinion, that's silly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:57:04 No.41557318 Report

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Yes. Imagine finding a group of Incineroars and Inteleons in the wilderness and compare it to finding a group of Venusaurs and Swamperts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:57:51 No.41557332 Report

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>>41557284
I didn't say use the old Pokemon games in the new games, you misread. I said go play the old games and stop playing the new ones which you clearly aren't enjoying. You don't need to play the new games and gamefreak doesn't need you as a customer so it's a win win situation.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:58:09 No.41557341 Report

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>>41557270
The anime is planed and done along the games, not after based on the REACTION to it. You take 9 months to do a single episode, to not.mention all the writing and production that can take more than a year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:58:26 No.41557344 Report

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>>41557313
Then what are you basing your argument on if the only sources of opinions are illegitimate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:58:37 No.41557345 Report

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>>41557132
>Nidoran: Rabbit
>Nidorino: Rhinoceros with rabbit features
Out of all examples, THIS is the best you can come up with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 16:59:23 No.41557361 Report

Quoted By: >>41557421

>>41557313
Okay.

Online polls don't count, Twitter doesn't count, no social media counts.

So WHERE your argument comes from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:00:16 No.41557375 Report

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>>41557313
That's fair, but what are your claims based on? Merchandise? Magazine polls? Fanart? Where do Braixen and Incineroar shine?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:01:23 No.41557401 Report

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>>41556508
Based. I wish Rhyhorn just got bigger and heftier and spikier instead of turning into Rhydon.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:01:26 No.41557405 Report

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>>41557332
>stop playing the new ones which you clearly aren't enjoying
>gamefreak doesn't need you as a customer
Who's arse are you pulling this from, Pokemon games have always had the same appeal to them; using the handful of bros you find most appealing to crush all the ones you don't. Your assumptions make absolutely no sense, retard.

You're wrong about the latter too. GameFreak needs all the retail it can get right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:02:04 No.41557421 Report

Quoted By: >>41557451 >>41557486 >>41557541

>>41557344
>>41557361
From looking at how The Pokemon Company uses the monsters. If they promote it heavily it's obviously tested well with focus groups and gotten good reception from consumers. If they drop it like a rock then it didn't land with the customers. For example, they promoted Incineroar but did not promote Decidueye.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:03:22 No.41557451 Report

Quoted By: >>41557500

>>41557421
Sakurai chose Incineroar for Smash before it was even announced

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:03:40 No.41557460 Report

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>>41557375
How the Pokemon company chooses or does not choose to use the monster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:04:09 No.41557473 Report

Quoted By: >>41558486

>>41556558
R E N T F R E E
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Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:04:23 No.41557483 Report

Quoted By: >>41557532 >>41557600 >>41557899

>>41557401
Rhydon is the first Pokemon and is pretty cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:04:32 No.41557486 Report

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>>41557421
Spotted the seething Owlfag. A better example would be Zoroark, and to an extent Lycanrock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:04:48 No.41557495 Report

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>>41556432
For the general public? No.
For the target audience? No.
On /vp/? Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:05:03 No.41557500 Report

Quoted By: >>41557573 >>41557617 >>41557620

>>41557451
You know they can test opinions of designs before the product releases? That's what focus groups exist for. Beyond that they can also predict how popular a design will be merely from analyzing it by comparing it to popular patterns and trends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:06:32 No.41557532 Report

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>>41557483
Rhydon would be better if he didn't look so scaly and instead looked harder. Like how khanghaskan looks I guess. As it is rhydon looks like something a scaly would masturbate to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:07:10 No.41557541 Report

Quoted By: >>41557605

>>41557421
>From looking at how The Pokemon Company uses the monsters.
The shillmons are decided before fan reaction. You literally has to prepare all that shit several months BEFORE releasing the game.

Your argument is meanless, and even so, it would just shows that the beastly Kanto Mons and Charizard are more popular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:08:54 No.41557573 Report

Quoted By: >>41557629

>>41557500
>You know they can test opinions of designs before the product releases
Mr.bootlicker.

Explain to me how 70 people in a focus group are more valid than 7000 people on online polls

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:10:07 No.41557600 Report

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>>41557483
Rhydon a SHIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:10:14 No.41557605 Report

Quoted By: >>41557639 >>41557663 >>41557692

>>41557541
Like I already said they know which Pokemon are gonna be popular before release, focus tests + market analysis. They pay people a lot of money to tell them what is going to land with consumers. Do you honestly think they are making humanoid starters just to spite you and not because highly paid professionals inform them that's what sells?

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:10:34 No.41557617 Report

Quoted By: >>41557664

>>41557500
>You know they can test opinions of designs before the product releases?
Incineroar clearly wasn't tested, regardless of its current popularity after all the shilling it was easily one of the worst received Pokemon in hystory

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:10:39 No.41557620 Report

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>>41557500
So you have no argument other than "they probably tested it" and the focus test reflects the opinion of the rest of the world despite all polls showing the opposite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:11:05 No.41557626 Report

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Everyone in this thread is wrong.
The correct answer is a balance between the two. Pokemon are monsters based around themes and concepts, if you have it based on only the themes or only monster-likeness it won't feel like a Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:11:16 No.41557629 Report

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>>41557573
Because the focus group is a random sample whereas the 7000 people in the online poll fall in the same demographic of whiny 30 year old men.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:11:57 No.41557639 Report

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>>41557605
Nobody said humanoid starters can be popular
Greninja was a popular humanoid starter
Braixen and Incineroar, not so much

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:13:04 No.41557663 Report

Quoted By: >>41557934

>>41557605
>Like I already said they know which Pokemon are gonna be popular before release

The company was counting Clefairy to be the face of Pokemon instead of Pikachu. You literally has no argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:13:05 No.41557664 Report

Quoted By: >>41557766 >>41557773

>>41557617
I swear I am dealing with the most retarded people here. You really don't get how polling works at all. A poll is worthless if the sample isn't random and if it doesn't correct for demographics. A Twitter poll is neither. 90% of the people who voted in that poll are adult men. Did you question what an 8 year old boy, or a 12 year old girl, or a 25 year old woman might think?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:14:13 No.41557692 Report

Quoted By: >>41557723

>>41557605
>highly paid professionals inform them that's what sells?
So why they do so bad on polls? Where are these fans?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:15:42 No.41557723 Report

Quoted By: >>41557804

>>41557692
Not on Twitter or Reddit which the vast majority of the population does not use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:17:06 No.41557766 Report

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>>41557664
>Twitter polls don't count for popularity because they don't account for the entire audience
ok
>but seeing what TPCi decided to shill before the characters were even announced accounts for popularity because we assume they might have been focus tested and we assume they might have been focus tested on the entire audience
not ok

your entire argument is flawed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:17:17 No.41557773 Report

Quoted By: >>41557826

>>41557664
>G-guys they are the most popular for real, don't hear what people (and kids) say, just what I believe this company did offscreen, you also can't trust the public reaction to it

By your logic every focus tested movie should be a masterpiece that everyone loves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:18:20 No.41557804 Report

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>>41557723
And how you know they exist? Where is your proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:19:13 No.41557826 Report

Quoted By: >>41557891

>>41557773
And kids?
Where are you hearing kids opinions on the designs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:21:15 No.41557889 Report

Quoted By: >>41557918 >>41557931

>>41557292
They end up coming off more like cartoon characters than animals/monsters you'd find in the wild. Try imagining a group of Incineroar or Tsareena or Raboot living in the wild.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:21:23 No.41557891 Report

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>>41557826
I have relatives

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:21:57 No.41557899 Report

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>>41557483
It gets rid of everything cool about Rhyhorn. For that reason, I cannot accept it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:22:33 No.41557918 Report

Quoted By: >>41558464 >>41558611

>>41557889
But starters aren't out in the wild? The only game where you see starters walking around is LGPE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:23:17 No.41557931 Report

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>>41557889
desu a rabbit that runs a lot isn't that unnatural

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:23:26 No.41557934 Report

Quoted By: >>41557988

>>41557663
>The company was counting Clefairy to be the face of Pokemon instead of Pikachu

Funny how the shill company bootlicker ignored this part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:25:34 No.41557988 Report

Quoted By: >>41558009

>>41557934
Why should I respond to idiots? Clefairy isn't even a bad design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:26:20 No.41558009 Report

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>>41557988
Hahahahaha eat shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:33:58 No.41558202 Report

Quoted By: >>41558295

>>41556432
The monsters. Looking at more recent gens which have more humanoid pokemon some of the most popular pokemon aren't humanoid, out of the gen 8 pre-release corviknight was probably the most well liked with wooloo coming close. The galar starters aren't well liked but the only one with a "okay" reaction is rillaboom, the least humanoid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:37:38 No.41558295 Report

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>>41558202
Toxtricity and Cinderace are some of the most popular

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:45:03 No.41558464 Report

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>>41557918
>But starters aren't out in the wild? The only game where you see starters walking around is LGPE.
But the early starters with the exception of blaziken still looked natural and could be seen running around. In defense of the gen 6 starters vs 7/8 they are more vague
>"When it takes a defensive posture with its fists guarding its face, it could withstand a bomb blast."
>"It gazes into the flame at the tip of its branch to achieve a focused state, which allows it to see into the future."
>"It creates throwing stars out of compressed water. When it spins them and throws them at high speed, these stars can split metal in two."
All of these still allow for individuality even if they are based on human concepts.Most of the early gen was about the pokemon's powerlevel or at most "this thing gets angry alot" with a cubone like making up maybe one dex slot
>"Although basically cool and cautious, when it’s caught by surprise, it’s seized by panic."
>"Although it’s rough mannered and egotistical, it finds beating down unworthy opponents boring. It gets motivated for stronger opponents."
>"To Primarina, every battle is a stage. It takes down its prey with beautiful singing and dancing."
The only kinda vague one is primarina's out of the bunch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:45:54 No.41558486 Report

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>>41557310
>>41557473
And as always, the Discord trannies reveal themselves

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:46:25 No.41558496 Report

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>>41557045
>personality
No, fuck off

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Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 17:51:28 No.41558611 Report

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>>41557918
>But starters aren't out in the wild?
They are not man-made in laboratories either

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 18:00:53 No.41558859 Report

Quoted By: >>41558982

>>41557045
Do you lack imagination so much that you need a one-note personality forced upon your Pokemon? Sounds like autism to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 18:05:58 No.41558982 Report

Quoted By:

>>41558859
Yeah the thing about other Gens is that you could imagine any personality for the starters. These days they already come up with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:04:36 No.41560306 Report

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Kaijus Mons starters are usually more popular than the jobmons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:21:55 No.41560706 Report

Quoted By: >>41561182

>>41557028
sure, but they don't give a shit whether it has a theme or not, or whether it's bipedal or quadruped. only autists obsess over those details.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 26 Nov 2019 19:41:46 No.41561182 Report

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>>41560706
I disagree. Liking designing trends is not something unusual.

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