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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 03:36:16 No.41665796 View View Reply Original Report

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WHY THE FUCK DID THEY REMOVE HEAL ORDER AND ROOST???? SHE ISNT EVEN THAT GOOD :(

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 03:49:04 No.41665997 Report

Quoted By: >>41666126 >>41666159 >>41666505 >>41667278

>>41665796
That’s an extremely good question... Why even include her if you are going to exclude one of her signature moves?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 03:55:46 No.41666126 Report

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>>41665997
Hahah, I don't really know...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 03:57:10 No.41666153 Report

Quoted By: >>41673464

Where is the list of moves that can't be used in Sword and Shield? I know a list of "removed" moves exists, but those don't include the moves that can't be used such as Sacred Fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 03:57:38 No.41666159 Report

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>>41665997
Why does Game Freak do anything.
They seem to work on an otherworldy set of logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:06:50 No.41666359 Report

Quoted By: >>41670635

>>41665796
My thought process as the leaks came out
>heal order removed
>Oh I guess it's because vespiquen gets roost anyway
>vespiquen doesn't get roost anymore
>????
Seriously, why? It's a bug/flying okayish mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:12:27 No.41666484 Report

Quoted By: >>41666556

>>41665796
Transfer from Home?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:13:34 No.41666502 Report

Quoted By: >>41666825 >>41666940

>>41665796
Masuda got butthurt about the anal bug memes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:13:41 No.41666505 Report

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>>41665997
Don’t worry, light of ruin is still in

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:16:00 No.41666556 Report

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>>41666484
The move is not in the game's data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:18:03 No.41666605 Report

Quoted By: >>41667026

>>41666556
Roost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:28:52 No.41666825 Report

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>>41666502
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:31:00 No.41666866 Report

Quoted By: >>41666888 >>41666897 >>41667422 >>41670592

>Vespiquen will never be retconned to Bug/Dark so she stops getting rammed by stealth rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:31:50 No.41666888 Report

Quoted By: >>41670592

>>41666866
>Vespiquen will never get Queenly Majesty

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:32:25 No.41666897 Report

Quoted By: >>41670592

>>41666866
Why Dark specifically?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:32:55 No.41666908 Report

Quoted By: >>41666965

>>41665796
I was so fucking sad at this weirdass change, they massacred my bee, there's literally no good set for her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:33:50 No.41666924 Report

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>>41665796
Probably to keep her from being overwhelming in the Wild Area?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:34:33 No.41666940 Report

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>>41666502
Come on. Vespiquen is the one bug most people wouldn't mind in their ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:35:36 No.41666965 Report

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>>41666908
To be fair that was true before this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:38:43 No.41667026 Report

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>>41666605
The move is not in the game's data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:40:56 No.41667068 Report

Quoted By: >>41667111 >>41667125 >>41669917

How can they make Vespiquen good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:42:53 No.41667111 Report

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>>41667068
Make her not bug type.
Just remove bug types altogether while we're at it, it only hampers things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:43:04 No.41667115 Report

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>>41666940
Pheromosa too, that's why he nerfed or straight up cut them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:43:30 No.41667125 Report

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>>41667068
Complete overhaul of moves and stats are the only way.
Literally no way to make Vespiquen good in its current state without severely bloating its stats or giving it some broken ability

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:44:50 No.41667153 Report

Quoted By: >>41670491

>>41665796
Someone went in and deleted these moves from Vespiquen's movepool, and thought it was okay. Even though one of those is her signature move, and she's already pretty bad, so it would have made more sense to buff her instead of taking away useful moves from her. Poor bee can't catch a break.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:49:22 No.41667257 Report

Quoted By: >>41667308

>>41665796
The only real explanation I can think of is that they removed those moves because they used real life bees and they didn't want to keep that real life reference? Still pretty dumb. She's one of my favorite bugs, but even now she's still so awful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:50:40 No.41667278 Report

Quoted By: >>41667506

>>41665997
Wait
They kept attack order but not heal order?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:52:15 No.41667308 Report

Quoted By: >>41667505

>>41667257
>didn't want to keep real life references
What are attack and defend order

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 04:58:19 No.41667422 Report

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>>41666866
I want her to get Bug/Fairy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:02:42 No.41667505 Report

Quoted By: >>41667536

>>41667308
Bees

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:02:46 No.41667506 Report

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>>41667278
They kept attack and defend but not heal. Presumably they made two unique(?) animations for the other two and then gave up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:04:33 No.41667536 Report

Quoted By: >>41667659

>>41667505
So is Heal Order. The point beeing made is that there was no reason to remove it, when the other two already and continue to use real bees.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:05:11 No.41667548 Report

Quoted By: >>41667627

Would you eat vespiquen's royal jelly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:09:03 No.41667627 Report

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>>41667548
If I had her permission, Yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:10:34 No.41667659 Report

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>>41667536
Then I have no idea. GF just wanted to give us hope vespiqueen was finally going to be good just to further nerf her for no reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:13:33 No.41667707 Report

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Maybe in some weird universe they thought she'd be good if they made rapid spin more accessible to remove sneaky pebbles/heavyboots. "Well now she can bee a wallbreaker, lets remove her tankability, reliable heals, toxic stalling"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:15:02 No.41667736 Report

Quoted By: >>41667790 >>41667816

>>41665796
I remember someone saying they removed Heal Order because it wouldn't interact well with dynamaxing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:17:43 No.41667790 Report

Quoted By: >>41667874

>>41667736
That doesn't explain why they removed roost

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:18:58 No.41667816 Report

Quoted By: >>41667874

>>41667736
>because it wouldn't interact well with dynamaxing.
All status moves become Max Guard. There is zero issue.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:22:23 No.41667874 Report

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>>41667790
>>41667816
then I have no fucking idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 05:30:55 No.41668048 Report

Quoted By: >>41669917 >>41670436 >>41670541

ITT: make a usable vespiquen set
They actually did give her some coverage moves to compensate, now she actually has something to hit steel types with, they gave her some support moves for doubles in aromatherapy/aromatic mist, some meme moves like toxic hex. She seems interesting in a lower tiered doubles match if she's got a good teammate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 07:28:52 No.41669917 Report

Quoted By: >>41669957

>>41668048
>>41667068
just give Vespiquen an evo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 07:32:36 No.41669957 Report

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>>41669917
They had their chance in Sword/Shield and they fucking blew it. I guarantee she won't get one in the inevitable Gen 4 remakes, either. The most Vespiquen will get is a Gigantamax, and they probably won't do that, either.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:09:19 No.41670436 Report

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>>41668048
>look up her supposed steel coverage
>revenge/reversal
game freak more like shit freak, everyone and their mother got close combat why not her

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:13:12 No.41670491 Report

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>>41667153
aren't you glad they scrapped or half implemented a thousand things for this wonderfully new balanced game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:13:12 No.41670492 Report

Quoted By: >>41670541

Roost wan't removed. It just isn't a TM anymore. Corviknight can learn it through breeding for example.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:13:56 No.41670501 Report

Quoted By: >>41670541

>>41670436
>everyone and their mother got close combat why not her
You expect an empress to sully her hands?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:17:18 No.41670541 Report

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>>41668048
>"i-it's good in trick room!"
Vespiquen (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Unnerve
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Bug Buzz
- Power Gem
- Air Slash
- Sludge Bomb
>>41670492
It wasn't removed, but vespy doesn't get it anymore.
>>41670501
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:19:17 No.41670555 Report

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Do moves like Origin Pulse have new animations despite nothing in the game learning them?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:22:24 No.41670592 Report

Quoted By: >>41670618

>>41666866
>>41666888
>>41666897

>G-Form Vespiquen
Abilities: Queenly Majesty / Tinted Lens
Type: Rock/Bug
>inb4 why can't it fly or levitate?
See Venomoth

HP: 90
Attack: 100
Defense: 122
Sp. Attack: 60
Sp. Defense: 82
Speed: 20

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:24:47 No.41670618 Report

Quoted By: >>41670650

>>41670592
>Actual stat changes
>Ability changes
>Type changes
That's not how Gigantamax works, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:26:16 No.41670635 Report

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>>41666359
The only explanation I can think off is that they wanted to remove a lot of heal moves, but it doesn't explain why.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:27:48 No.41670650 Report

Quoted By: >>41670662

>>41670618
Sorry, I meant as Galaring Form, not G-Max form. I'm mad that Vespiquen didn't get one. Real missed opportunity. Same for Aegislash.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:28:52 No.41670662 Report

Quoted By: >>41670839

>>41670650
>Galar, not Galaring
God, I'm retarded today. Sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 08:44:53 No.41670839 Report

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>>41670662
You're cute, anon.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 09:43:12 No.41671672 Report

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>>41665796
THEY DID WHAT ?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 11:10:42 No.41672757 Report

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I just want male combees to have an evolution.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 12:07:30 No.41673464 Report

Quoted By: >>41674252

>>41666153

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 12:10:37 No.41673504 Report

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Because swsh was a 3DS game hastily cobbled together as a switch game

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 12:11:01 No.41673508 Report

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>>41665796
NO, NOT MY VESPIQUEN!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 13:02:48 No.41674180 Report

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>>41665796
>SWSH is so shit that not only stops buffing shitmons like gen6/7 but it outright nerfs them
This is peak embarassment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 13:10:06 No.41674252 Report

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>>41673464
These moves being removed was 100% for a retarded reason, there was a problem and they find no better solution than cutting moves. I just need to understand what the problem was.

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