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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:15:48 No.41677584 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>41677663 >>41677714 >>41677838 >>41678078 >>41678167 >>41678436 >>41678466 >>41678867 >>41678878 >>41679006 >>41680021 >>41680918

>Moxie Gyarados
>Sandrush Excadrill
>Imposter Ditto
>Unburden Hawlucha

GET THAT ASS BANED

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:21:03 No.41677663 Report

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>>41677584
Take them away and there will be other Dynamax mons being abused.

The whole gimmick needs to be banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:24:21 No.41677714 Report

Quoted By: >>41677754 >>41677872 >>41678305 >>41678579 >>41678888

>>41677584
6v6 singles isn't how you are supposed to play competitively.

WHY CANT YOU SMOGON FAGS UNDERSTAND ? DO THEY HAVE TO SHORTEN THE TIMER TO 10MIN UNTIL YOU START PLAYING VGC RULES?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:27:02 No.41677754 Report

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>>41677714
2v2 is fun but people maxing Excadrill on the first turn is really obnoxious and harder to deal with than it should be. Smogon is being way too kneejerk with Dyna though, not even trying to let a new meta happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:31:26 No.41677838 Report

Quoted By: >>41677866 >>41678125 >>41678269

>>41677584
What's so good about Hawlucha?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:32:48 No.41677866 Report

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>>41677838
Can't get revenge killed with Ditto due to unburden and through Dynamax it can boost its atk and speed with stab moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:33:06 No.41677872 Report

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>>41677714
I'll start caring about vgc and doubles when the main game stops focusing on single battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:46:00 No.41678078 Report

Quoted By: >>41679085 >>41679151

>>41677584
How to fix the meta in a nutshell
Send to ubers the following
>Ditto
>Dynamax snowballers, (Gyarados, Excadrill, Barraskewda, Togekiss, Hawlucha)
>Galarian Darmanitan

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:47:44 No.41678125 Report

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>>41677838
>Swords Dance
>Boosts speed and attack with Dynamax moves
>Unable to be revenge killed by Ditto

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:50:06 No.41678167 Report

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>>41677584
>Ban ditto
>You need to ban every sweeper in the game that can use dynamax now
It's the only actual counter to them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:51:35 No.41678198 Report

Quoted By: >>41678401 >>41678431

So does GyaraExcaLucha beat CorFerroPex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:52:04 No.41678206 Report

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Ban Corsola.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:53:09 No.41678232 Report

Quoted By: >>41678265

Ban pokemon i dont like

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:54:42 No.41678265 Report

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>>41678232
Yes ban Eiscue let's pretend its ugly boring ass never existed lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:54:49 No.41678269 Report

Quoted By: >>41678630

>>41677838
>Dynamax and use Max Thunder Punch
>Electric terrain kicks
>Electric Seed gives x1.5 defense and unburden x2 speed
>each Max fighting moves gives him x1.5 attack
>Outspeeds fast scarfers and even Ditto
>Only hard counter are Poison/Electric and Fairy/Electric

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:55:37 No.41678288 Report

Quoted By: >>41678324

Why would you ban Ditto? Are you fucking retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:56:58 No.41678305 Report

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>>41677714
VGCucks begging people to play their dead format as always lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:57:36 No.41678320 Report

Quoted By: >>41678374 >>41678403

ban dynamax
or ban mons that abuse dynamax
which one is worse

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:57:58 No.41678324 Report

Quoted By: >>41678598

>>41678288
Because it's broken and needs to be Ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:59:57 No.41678374 Report

Quoted By: >>41678595

>>41678320
Banning Dynamax would be better.
Dynamax just makes the game unfun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:01:25 No.41678401 Report

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>>41678198
No lol it’s why the entire ban Dyna discussion is a joke. It can win if Dyna is used at a good time but if the staller has a brain and doesn’t let you kill them you lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:01:32 No.41678403 Report

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>>41678320
Ban a mon abusing dynamax and a new mon abusing dynamax will rise.
Ban dynamax

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:02:42 No.41678417 Report

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ban every pokemon that's not pure normal type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:03:23 No.41678431 Report

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>>41678198
>Gyarados
Cor- takes neutral from rain boosted max geyser
Ferro- takes neutral from max airstream
Pex - dies to earthquake

>Excadrill
Cor - counters it
Ferro - could tank
Pex - dies to earthquake

>Hawlucha
Cor - dies to thunder punch
Ferro - takes neutral from air stream
Pex - dies to thunder punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:03:51 No.41678436 Report

Quoted By: >>41678524

>>41677584
I haven't mess around with the meta at all. How broken is dynamax, and what are the currently broken mons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:05:37 No.41678466 Report

Quoted By: >>41678524

>>41677584
So lead with a sweeping special attacker that knows Fireblast Thunder and a move its weak against. Got it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:09:56 No.41678524 Report

Quoted By: >>41679678

>>41678436
You looking at them
>>41678466
It's not that easy what makes these 4 so dangerous is their speed. Trick room is gonna be viable anti meta play now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:12:37 No.41678579 Report

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>>41677714
Then why is their entire game based around a the format that they dont want you to competitively play

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:13:38 No.41678595 Report

Quoted By: >>41678618

>>41678374
Can't really agree. Dynamax reminds me alot of gen 5's weather war meta and i've always loved that shit. I dont see a problem with bringing a bulky wow user to deal with Gyardos, Excadrill, and Hawlucha. Things like cofagrigus and rotom-wash cripple all three

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:13:49 No.41678598 Report

Quoted By: >>41678688

>>41678324
How is ditto broken? Team preview is a thing and you can clearly see when the opponent has it on their team. How could ditto cause you any problems?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:14:20 No.41678609 Report

Quoted By: >>41678652

What exactly does dynamax do?
t.haven't played SwSh or mess around on showdown

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:15:00 No.41678618 Report

Quoted By: >>41678886

>>41678595
>Gyarados used taunt/substitute!
Nice wow you got there faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:15:31 No.41678630 Report

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>>41678269
add galarian corsola to that list. Can come in on a max airstream and strength sap the next turn. Can even take a hit at +2 if it gets in clean

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:16:35 No.41678652 Report

Quoted By: >>41678708 >>41678766

>>41678609
Boosts stats, set up weather, terrains and moves get the base power of a z-move for 3 turns. Also doubles HP for extra bulk and survivability.
For short it's mega+zmove on steroids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:18:07 No.41678688 Report

Quoted By: >>41678736

>>41678598
You can't stay substituted while dynamax it will break it making Ditto the only revenge killer and only Hawlucha can't be revenge killed from it. It's a cheap counter sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:19:07 No.41678708 Report

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>>41678652
Sounds extremely unfun. Is the game just weather/terrain wars now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:20:28 No.41678736 Report

Quoted By: >>41678817

>>41678688
Why are you setting up and dynamaxing when the opponent has Ditto? Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:22:26 No.41678766 Report

Quoted By: >>41678892

>>41678652
Don't forget choice items don't lock you in one move and you can go rampant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:24:12 No.41678817 Report

Quoted By: >>41678889

>>41678736
You don't even have to set up it can just scout out your sweeper and reverse sweep you since once it dynamaxed it isn't choice locked.

Retard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:26:13 No.41678867 Report

Quoted By: >>41678892

>>41677584
Whoa, calm down Low Tier Bitch, you might get a stroke

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:26:49 No.41678878 Report

Quoted By: >>41678914

>>41677584
I've been using Excadrill in doubles and he's a great late D-maxed sweeper. He can set up his own sand so you don't really need T-Tar. Hell with all the Dynamaxing going on I bet we could run mixed weather teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:27:21 No.41678886 Report

Quoted By: >>41678912

>>41678618
Dynamax Gyrados is not going to run taunt anon, it's a waste of it's move set. Sub is more likely i'll admit but even then that would imply it's not using a move slot for dragon dance which would mean fully invested defense Rotom wash beats it even without wow

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:27:27 No.41678888 Report

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>>41677714
You're talking as if Excadrill+TTar+random Rotom form and 3 filler mons:the format is any better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:27:28 No.41678889 Report

Quoted By: >>41678945 >>41678981

>>41678817
How the fuck are you getting swept by ditto? Holy shit you are so fucking bad. Jesus christ.
If you setup while the opponent has a living ditto you are retarded and deserve to lose. If the ditto copies a mon who didnt setup how the fuck is it sweeping you? You know what its moves are.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:27:43 No.41678892 Report

Quoted By: >>41678982 >>41679517

>>41678766
>choice items don't lock you in
So you can have a mon with moxie+scarf, get a quick KO, than max and sweep from there?

>>41678867
pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:28:31 No.41678912 Report

Quoted By: >>41678987

>>41678886
>Gyarados used power whip!
Nice rotom faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:28:39 No.41678914 Report

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>>41678878
You could run mixed weather teams since gen5 retard. Sand and Sun combination is very prominent to counter Water teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:29:59 No.41678945 Report

Quoted By: >>41679047

>>41678889
You fucking donut Gyarados has literally no hard counter if he copies you while being faster with Moxie wtf are you supposed to do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:30:02 No.41678946 Report

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Competitive Pokemon is all sorts of fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:31:27 No.41678981 Report

Quoted By: >>41679010

>>41678889
Ditto as dynamax doubles its hp twice if you transform into dynamax

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:31:30 No.41678982 Report

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>>41678892
Preferably you switch in, set up get dynamaxed, sweep/set up more and then once you collected that +3 atk/speed you can just roll over with one move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:31:35 No.41678987 Report

Quoted By: >>41679024

>>41678912
>Reaching this hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:32:53 No.41679006 Report

Quoted By: >>41679033

>>41677584
The mons don't need to be banned.
Dynamax need to. Even if they get banned you have shit like Baraskuda, Zen mode Darmanitan and other nonsense one shotting everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:33:00 No.41679010 Report

Quoted By: >>41679045

>>41678981
WHY ARE YOU DYNAMAXING WHEN THE OPPONENT HAS DITTO?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:33:57 No.41679024 Report

Quoted By:

>>41678987
How is that reaching? Everyone runs Power whip on Gyarados now you dumbfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:34:10 No.41679033 Report

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>>41679006
The joke is that you can keep on banning dyna sweepers all day and all it'll do is make new dyna sweepets pop up because dyna moves hand out free stats like candy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:35:00 No.41679045 Report

Quoted By: >>41679079 >>41679097

>>41679010
>you can't play shit because one mon forces you to play around it
How is that not cancerous retard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:34:59 No.41679047 Report

Quoted By: >>41679102

>>41678945
>You fucking donut Gyarados has literally no hard counter
Eviolite Corsola is a hard counter to that situation moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:36:20 No.41679079 Report

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>>41679045
>OH NOO WHY DOES HE HAVE A COUNTER TO MY POEMON
Do you know how competitive works idiot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:36:52 No.41679085 Report

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>>41678078
anyone that's saying send ditto to ubers is nuts, ditto literally reflects whatever the most powerful mon is, and is only broken when something else is broken, ditto is a mon for every tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:37:23 No.41679097 Report

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>>41679045
>Im too retarded to not click the dynamax button!
Im sorry you have adhd anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:37:33 No.41679102 Report

Quoted By: >>41679174 >>41679387

>>41679047
It gets 2Koed after Max Geyser sets up the rain you dumb fucking retard. You can't switch into it without losing a mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:37:51 No.41679106 Report

Quoted By: >>41679125 >>41679265

reverse sweeping with a ditto is the best feeling in the world

it feels better than sex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:38:45 No.41679125 Report

Quoted By: >>41679224

>>41679106
Yeah, until the Lucha bird shits on you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:39:42 No.41679151 Report

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>>41678078
Ditto is already used in ubers, he's basically in every tier for obvious reasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:40:41 No.41679174 Report

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>>41679102
Okay so when ditto comes out dynamax your own gyarados at the same time and it cant do shit to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:41:48 No.41679195 Report

Quoted By: >>41679238

Does ditto copy the dynamax version when you send him out against a dynamax mon? And if yes, does he stay in that form forever?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:43:14 No.41679224 Report

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>>41679125
you are not supposed to point that out bro...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:44:02 No.41679238 Report

Quoted By: >>41679266 >>41679271 >>41679332

>>41679195
He copies the stats meaning it has double the HP and it can dynamax itself to get 4 times the HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:45:41 No.41679265 Report

Quoted By: >>41679434

>>41679106
>it feels better than sex
How the fuck would you know?
inb4 ask your mom

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Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:45:42 No.41679266 Report

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>>41679238
wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:45:49 No.41679271 Report

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>>41679238
Ditto doesn't copy the hp stat of the Pokemon he transforms into.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:48:34 No.41679332 Report

Quoted By: >>41679736

>>41679238
Ditto doesn't copy the hp stat. Dynamax doesn't change anything about the mons stats except hp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:51:31 No.41679387 Report

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>>41679102
>Dynamax
>Use max guard
>Use bog standard protect

Woooow literally nothing I could do

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:54:18 No.41679434 Report

Quoted By:

>>41679265
how would you not know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 18:58:56 No.41679517 Report

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>>41678892
Low Tier Allah-u Ackbar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 19:06:55 No.41679678 Report

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>>41678524
Yea but they only have 80-90 base speed. And two they need setups. Youd need like you said trick room or another weather effect. Because most the mons who know Auto Sandstorm are slow as shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 19:09:17 No.41679736 Report

Quoted By: >>41679782

>>41679332
>Dynamax doesn't change anything about the mons stats except hp.
And it's only a 1.5 increase, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 19:11:21 No.41679782 Report

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>>41679736
its 2 times HP increase, it also negates the effects of choice items, and removes the ability to use moves aside from max moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 19:22:52 No.41680021 Report

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>>41677584
Just use a trick room team to counter all four of them. This is the one gen that Trick Room should see alot of use

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 20:05:27 No.41680918 Report

Quoted By: >>41680934

>>41677584
Does trick room work with Fishious Rend or Bolt Beak as it should?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 20:06:26 No.41680934 Report

Quoted By: >>41681125

>>41680918
As long as you hit before the opponent moves it counts, you can run them in trick room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Dec 2019 20:14:18 No.41681125 Report

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>>41680934
In that case i can see trick room bulky Dracovish being a major threat. It should one hit dynamax hawlucha and excadrill without issue. A room service would mean it outspeeds ditto under trick room as well

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