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Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 03:55:09 No.41880572 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>41880617 >>41880627 >>41880629 >>41880672 >>41884106 >>41884779 >>41884861 >>41887465

Timid or modest? Moon or dive ball?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 03:57:25 No.41880617 Report

Quoted By: >>41880644 >>41881182 >>41886869

>>41880572
In the trash, this mon can't be salvaged

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 03:58:16 No.41880627 Report

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>>41880572
Modest with a Premier ball is the least terrible
Frosmoth is still terrible in general, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 03:58:22 No.41880629 Report

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>>41880572
both of those balls are awful, just get it an ultra ball or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 03:59:46 No.41880644 Report

Quoted By: >>41880666 >>41881713 >>41884774

>>41880617
Why did they make it so shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:01:07 No.41880666 Report

Quoted By: >>41880673

>>41880644
Giving it the two most shit-on types in the series might have had something to do with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:01:52 No.41880672 Report

Quoted By: >>41881093

>>41880572
Heavy Ball's blue bulbs match the eyes.
Premier Ball is a good cheaper option.
Dive Ball doesn't really fit it at all, the eyes aren't even the same shade. Neither does Moon Ball really, unless you're just going for the fact that it's a moth and moths are active at night.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:02:11 No.41880673 Report

Quoted By: >>41883162

>>41880666
Satan has shit taste as expected this is why no one likes you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:02:20 No.41880676 Report

Quoted By: >>41881324

Always run +speed natures on sweepers unless you're 1k elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:32:27 No.41881093 Report

Quoted By: >>41881127

>>41880672
Damn now I have a hard time deciding between heavy and moon. I personally like the moon ball since it fits as a theme and I like the animation but heavy isn't bad either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:35:06 No.41881126 Report

Quoted By: >>41881177 >>41881201 >>41881237

Why was it not given the same BST as Volcarona?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:35:07 No.41881127 Report

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>>41881093
Heavy has a better particle effect for the color scheme

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:38:18 No.41881177 Report

Quoted By: >>41881202 >>41881483

>>41881126
Why should it be given the same BST? All they have in common is they're both moths

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:38:35 No.41881182 Report

Quoted By: >>41881220 >>41884756 >>41886200

>>41880617
>Terrible speed
>Poor physical bulk
>Weak to pretty much everything
>Shallow movepool
>Can't learn Freeze Dry for some reason
It's pretty much Munja without Wonder Guard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:40:04 No.41881201 Report

Quoted By: >>41881483

>>41881126
We all wanted ice Volcarona but ice Dustox instead. Fuck GF

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:40:08 No.41881202 Report

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>>41881177
Better question is why they felt the need to give it a BST of 475 and make it slow, frail, AND Ice/Bug. It's fucking trash in every conceivable way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:41:10 No.41881220 Report

Quoted By: >>41881348

>>41881182
Fun fact, Frosmoth is the only new Ice mon not to get Freeze Dry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:42:12 No.41881237 Report

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>>41881126
We all wanted ice Volcarona but got ice Dustox instead. Fuck GF

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:43:56 No.41881268 Report

Quoted By: >>41881483

>>41881202
What if it had 500 bst with the added 25 in speed? Would that have saved it? How about compound eyes for more accurate blizzards?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:47:58 No.41881324 Report

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>>41880676
This is /vp/ so they're probably sub-1200 and probably only play on cart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:49:47 No.41881348 Report

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>>41881220
Also Hidden Power and Water Pulse doesn't exist in the game so he can't hit Fire and Rock type for SE damage, poor thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 04:58:55 No.41881483 Report

Quoted By: >>41881542 >>41884232

>>41881177
Basically this >>41881201
Frosmoth got nothing in compensation for its Ice/Bug typing which gives it TWO 4x weaknesses to Fire and Rock, both of which are common in the story and competitively.

>>41881268
One possibility:

HP: 85 (+15)
ATK: 60 (-5)
DEF: 105 (+45)
SPA: 140 (+15)
SPD: 65 (-25)
SPE: 105 (+40)
Total: 560 (+85)

Give it a new Water type move with 80 Power, 100% Accuracy and a ~15% chance to freeze. Then make its hidden ability, Ice Scales, be its only ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 05:03:49 No.41881542 Report

Quoted By: >>41881568

>>41881483
>560 BST
Volcorona has 550 BST.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 05:06:11 No.41881568 Report

Quoted By: >>41881606 >>41884102

>>41881542
I know anon, but Volcarona has only one 4x weakness and I felt the extra 10 points compensated for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 05:09:38 No.41881606 Report

Quoted By: >>41883076 >>41884111 >>41884831

>>41881568
And Frosmoth has Ice Scales. A much better ability than what Volc has access too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 05:18:59 No.41881713 Report

Quoted By: >>41884673

>>41880644
Something tells me this line was intended to be early game. Snom only knows two moves and only has 5 more BST than Sunkern.
Either that or they didn't want it to be overpowered if it ever was given out early game since friendship evo can happen in one level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 07:05:09 No.41883076 Report

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>>41881606
That ability hardly makes up for the typing of Frosmoth

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 07:10:36 No.41883162 Report

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>>41880673
He didn’t say they were the two most shit types, he said they were the two most shit-on, which is absolutely correct.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 08:33:19 No.41884038 Report

Quoted By: >>41884673

>every single move frosmoth has is NVE against steels
I feel like the kid at gamestop who wanted volcarona, but mom told me we had volcarona at home, and volcarona at home was just frosmoth

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 08:40:45 No.41884102 Report

Quoted By: >>41884111 >>41884122

>>41881568
>Defensive ability on an ice type
>Defensive ability on an ice/bug type
The only way Frosmoth would work if it was an absolute glass canon thats fast as fuck
Volcarona had good stats and a very good moveset to make up for its typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 08:41:02 No.41884106 Report

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>>41880572
premier ball....

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 08:41:48 No.41884111 Report

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>>41884102
Shit.
meant for >>41881606

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 08:43:24 No.41884122 Report

Quoted By: >>41886918

>>41884102
Why did they make it so slow and frail with one of the worst type combinations...? It just doesn't make sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 08:59:38 No.41884232 Report

Quoted By: >>41884256 >>41884641 >>41886946

>>41881483
>560 BST for a dime-a-dozen, run-off-the-mill Pokemon when most common-catch Pokemon don't even break past 535
>Trying to buff it akin to Volcarona when Volcarona is a special case, being either gifted to you once as an egg, a special one-time overworld encounter, postgame-mon, or otherwise INCREDIBLY rare, on top of evolving at level 59 that warrants its incredibly high BST and great stat spread
>Giving a hypothetical move with a 15% chance to freeze when freeze has only ever been 10% (or less in Tri Attack's case), with good reason
>Wanting it to only have one Ability, limiting options for no reason, when the only time that happens is with Levitate-mons, Pokemon with purposefully debilitating abilities, certain Legendaries, or gimmickmons that need their singular ability to function correctly
Sure am glad you don't work for Game Freak. You can buff it but not be fucking retarded about it, you know.
Let it learn Freeze Dry, Water Pulse, and Psychic and buff its Speed a bit and it'd be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 09:03:56 No.41884256 Report

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>>41884232
For me, I think all the moth needs is the following:
>+35 speed
>Tinted Lens
>Sleep Powder
>Roost

You can now run it either defensively or offensively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:10:47 No.41884641 Report

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>>41884232
À la Volcarona, Frosmoth should be a special case. It should evolve at level 59 or higher, it should have a ~550 BST, but it should be a Special glass cannon, something that Ice still lacks despite how much it suits the type. Freeze Dry, Psychic and Water Pulse are good ideas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:16:42 No.41884673 Report

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>>41884038
That kid was me

>>41881713
I have to wonder if it was designed to be a counterpart for Volcarona or even a regional form early on but got reworked into a gen 2-tier shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:27:32 No.41884756 Report

Quoted By: >>41884788 >>41887531

>>41881182
So Volcarona but slower, boo hoo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:29:58 No.41884774 Report

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>>41880644
It is a gf tradition at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:31:12 No.41884779 Report

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>>41880572
Make this girl learn earth power and mystical fire, increase her base speed to 110 and now we're talking. Otherwise this is the epitome of a shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:32:19 No.41884788 Report

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>>41884756
And worse typing. With less coverage moves. Basically everything volcarona is, but much worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:37:56 No.41884831 Report

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>>41881606
and Volc has a typing good enough to let it be bulky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:43:22 No.41884856 Report

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This gen is a disappointment in every conceivable way

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 10:44:58 No.41884861 Report

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>>41880572
Don't you have any coins?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 14:14:39 No.41886200 Report

Quoted By: >>41887755

>>41881182
Fucking frenchfag. Its called Shedinja in English.

t. frenchfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 15:23:19 No.41886869 Report

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>>41880617
If you swap it in versus a special mon with hidden ability you can safely get 1-2 quiver dances off.

I have one myself and its usable if you like him. I go throat spray bug buzz myself so if I can get one quiver dance off I can start to hit pretty hard, if I get two then it can be hard to stop this thing.

Considering going full special wall with an assualt vest and trying to get some agility and either nasty plots or calm minds baton passed to it.

Its like most pokemon that are not completely braindead or amazing, situational.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 15:28:22 No.41886918 Report

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>>41884122
Because for whatever reason Game Freak fucking love slow ice type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 15:30:23 No.41886946 Report

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>>41884232
To be fair, Growlithe is also a common mon yet it can easily evolve into a mon with 555 BST,

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 16:10:00 No.41887465 Report

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>>41880572
Quiet with net ball.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 16:16:02 No.41887531 Report

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>>41884756
It doesn't even get Psychic

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Dec 2019 16:38:44 No.41887755 Report

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>>41886200
Damn, I knew something was wrong while writting.

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