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Power Creep

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:15:35 No.42064185 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>42066012

Remember when having 100/110 in a Stat was a big deal? Now it's average.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:16:41 No.42064195 Report

Quoted By: >>42064207 >>42064210

hey what pokemon is this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:17:20 No.42064203 Report

Quoted By: >>42064232 >>42064748 >>42064902

remember when have sub 100 speed was still fast?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:17:47 No.42064207 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064195
i think its tauros

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:18:22 No.42064210 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064195
Dodrio?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:20:53 No.42064232 Report

Quoted By: >>42064271 >>42064274 >>42065246

>>42064203
Currently who are the top 5 fastest non legendary Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:22:01 No.42064247 Report

Quoted By: >>42064294 >>42064305 >>42064350 >>42064433 >>42067919

100/110 never stood out unless it was Speed, and there'd need to be a few factors for the Pokémon to stand out after that.
Flareon has been existing since Gen 1 with his 125 Attack and has never stood a chance

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:23:52 No.42064271 Report

Quoted By: >>42064401

>>42064232
Ninjask, Electrode, Accelgor, Dragapult, Barraskewda.
Megas, UBs, and legends omitted

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:24:05 No.42064274 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064232
Ninjask, Electrode, Accelgor, Dragapult, Barraskewda.
I'm excluding megas too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:26:18 No.42064294 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064247
100 is good Def or SpD if you also have 100ish HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:27:09 No.42064305 Report

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>>42064247
130*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:27:22 No.42064310 Report

Quoted By: >>42064351 >>42064362 >>42064484

>Bro, look at these min maxed abominations...
>Back in my days, Pokémon were actually well balanced!
>Those were the days, man...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:30:47 No.42064350 Report

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>>42064247
flareon didn't have a physical fire move above 60 base power until like gen 6, that was a way bigger factor

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:31:04 No.42064351 Report

Quoted By: >>42064375

>>42064310
>bro these new pokemon have insane stats
>fucking power creep has gotten out of hand...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:31:53 No.42064362 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064310
Hello Mr. Rime

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:32:55 No.42064375 Report

Quoted By: >>42064400

>>42064351
Hey there Dracovish

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:33:58 No.42064400 Report

Quoted By: >>42065294

>>42064375

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:34:10 No.42064401 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064271
You didn't exclude legendaries, UBs are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:36:42 No.42064433 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064247
Dumb zoomy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:38:36 No.42064448 Report

Quoted By: >>42064470

Gengar, Zam, Exeggutor, Snorlax, Chansey, Rhydon, Zapdos, etc. all had 125+ stats. Tauros got away with it's average stats due to how the speed stat worked and how good Normal type was between Hyperbeam and Body Slam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:40:03 No.42064470 Report

Quoted By: >>42064493

>>42064448
The point is that 100 wasn't average, not that there wasn't feel Pokemon with 120 or 130 in a Stat.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:40:37 No.42064483 Report

Quoted By: >>42064534

It's usable I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:40:41 No.42064484 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064310
Mr. Rime?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:41:32 No.42064493 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064470
100 has always been roughly average, or at least the point at which a stat becomes worth a shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:45:11 No.42064534 Report

Quoted By: >>42064542 >>42065312

>>42064483
The fuck is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:45:59 No.42064542 Report

Quoted By: >>42064576

>>42064534
Alakazam pre-SpA/SpD split

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:49:08 No.42064576 Report

Quoted By: >>42064686

>>42064542
But this doesn't make any sense, Alakazam was needed hard on gen 2 and his stats lowered.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:50:39 No.42064595 Report

Quoted By: >>42064615 >>42064623 >>42064624 >>42064692 >>42064725 >>42064757 >>42064823 >>42064837 >>42065593

>all the fags in this thread saying there's no powercreep
I've got nothing in particular to say. I'll just leave this here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:52:31 No.42064615 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064595
to be fair there is also less pokemon so that could be inflated, the real power creep comes from the moves they learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:53:56 No.42064623 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064595
What's the median BST for Gen 8 Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:54:09 No.42064624 Report

Quoted By: >>42064721

>>42064595
Gen 4 is cheating, half the dex is cross gen evos and literal gods

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:58:36 No.42064686 Report

Quoted By: >>42064726

>>42064576
Genwun mons were just a bunch of 100 stat or lower shitmons you see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 17:59:04 No.42064692 Report

Quoted By: >>42064777

>>42064595
but total base stat isn't the exclusive form of power creep
strong new abilities and mons with stupid minmaxed spreads are much more important
aegislash has a lower BST than every starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:01:22 No.42064721 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064624
Yeah they should probably factor those particular pokes into their pre-evos. Though that would mostly boost Gen 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:01:58 No.42064725 Report

Quoted By: >>42064765

>>42064595
Now do this while not counting pre-evos

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:02:20 No.42064726 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064686
But that's not what OP is saying? You are creating imaginary arguments to declare yourself right, like some kind of schizo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:03:59 No.42064742 Report

Quoted By: >>42064815 >>42066038

>TFW remember seeing all-80s Glalie and thinking "Holy shit, he can do anything I want him to do!"

I miss being naive to comp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:04:24 No.42064748 Report

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>>42064203
If the cull was a thing in gen 7, 90 speed would be S Tier at least since almost everything introduced in Gen 7 is slow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:05:05 No.42064757 Report

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>>42064595
Gen 4 was a bunch of fully evolved cross gens and legends. I think Gen 5-6 had the most amount of nonshitmons, basically nothing is farfetch'd tier so the averages rose up. Gen 7 had half the dex be legends and then had 50 shitmons for everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:05:37 No.42064765 Report

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>>42064725
This, Gen 1 and 2 will still fail in parity but 5 would get a massive boost because its loaded with stage 3 evos and legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:06:58 No.42064777 Report

Quoted By: >>42064789

>>42064692
funny the real power creep comes from moves
like remeber when 130 was really impresisve, now most pokemon get that shit for free

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:08:05 No.42064789 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064777
CC and Power Whip being a TR was a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:10:25 No.42064815 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064742
He is either trash or you are using Moody and stall sweeping with Freeze Dry or Icicle Crash. I wish it wasn't useless, because all you have to do to it is get agressive before the bullshit starts to covunter it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:11:11 No.42064823 Report

Quoted By: >>42065041

>>42064595
>gen 1 - 405
how

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:12:43 No.42064837 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064595
>median
Do it again, but with the average BST.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:17:15 No.42064902 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064203
Gen 1 is on average still one of the fastest gens if you compare base speed stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:26:50 No.42065041 Report

Quoted By: >>42065860 >>42067883

>>42064823
The chart is counting nfe pokemon as well as legendaries.
Gen 1 has a lot of unevolved pokemon and only two legendaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:39:36 No.42065246 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064232
1) Ninjask - 160
2) Electrode - 150
3) Accelgor - 145
4) Dragapult - 142
5) Barraskewda - 136

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:43:09 No.42065294 Report

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>>42064400
What? Adamant, Banded Dracovish used 170-power Fishious Rend against a 7G OU The Pex Toxapex set?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 18:44:11 No.42065312 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064534
Genwun Alakazam

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:03:51 No.42065593 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064595
Does this exclude legends, if not, that would explain gen 7 & 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:22:18 No.42065860 Report

Quoted By:

>>42065041
Later gens have a a higher percentage of 1 stagers as well, even counting nonlegends. Stuff like Bruxish raises the average a lot but it is still a 475 bst shitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:32:54 No.42066012 Report

Quoted By:

>>42064185
Dragonite's physical attack stat is higher than Garchomp's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:34:48 No.42066038 Report

Quoted By: >>42066107

>>42064742
I think Glalie's stats were a product of Gamefreak having no idea what to do with a mono-ice type floating head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:39:14 No.42066107 Report

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>>42066038
it is a sphere and thus well rounded hehe

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:37:02 No.42067804 Report

Quoted By: >>42067866

>Pokemon with 130 in an attack stat
>retards don't look and see that its absolute strongest attack with it is 80 or 90 base power
>Pokemon with 100 in the stat and a 110+ base power STAB outdamages it
Learn to look for this discrepancy always.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:41:30 No.42067866 Report

Quoted By:

>>42067804
Hence why every fighting type getting close combat was ridiculous

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:43:04 No.42067883 Report

Quoted By:

>>42065041
>Gen 1 has a lot of unevolved pokemon and only two legendaries
Ok which bird died and nobody told me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:45:54 No.42067919 Report

Quoted By: >>42067928 >>42069361

>>42064247
>couldn't use its better offense for the first 3 generations since there was no physical/special split
>took 2 more generations to get Flare Blitz, before that it was stuck with Fire Fang
>has basically no coverage options
>overall movepool is awfu
>slow
>no physical bulk whatsoever while the most common of its offensive weaknesses are physical (ground, rock)
>Is the only fully evolved Fire type that can't learn Solarbeam

It's got plenty of problems, having 1 good stat doesn't mean it should be good

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:46:39 No.42067928 Report

Quoted By: >>42067948

>>42067919
>>has basically no coverage options
This is true for every Eevee not named Sylveon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 21:48:04 No.42067948 Report

Quoted By:

>>42067928
That just means they're all shit in that regard too, my point is that Flareon has always been awful and likely always will be

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 23:28:21 No.42069361 Report

Quoted By:

>>42067919
Fire Fang might not even have been that bad if it were at leaast fast enough for the flinch or burn to matter but it's slow too. It's like a sick joke.

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