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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:26:32 No.42195856 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>42195867 >>42195881 >>42195882 >>42195973 >>42196018 >>42196670 >>42196864

Bros.... am I bad for liking the newer exp share?

I've always found grinding to be a rather tedious process in RPGs. It feels like mindless busywork and while I get some people are attached to it I prefer to steer away from games that include it unless it provides a unique take on it that I can enjoy. (i.e. the Mario and Luigi games, whereas instead of your success being dependant on RNG or how much you grinded, it's on how well you as a player can manage the QTEs both for attacking and dodging.)

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:27:25 No.42195867 Report

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>>42195856
you have never needed to grind in pokemon for the main/secondary story
you have always needed to grind in pokemon for anything else

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:28:05 No.42195877 Report

Quoted By: >>42197274

The real problem of the forced exp is that the game gets broken easily and you are punished if you actually want to explore.
This is a staple in every rpg but every other game has this into consideration, SwSh doesn't cause it's a shitty game.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:28:29 No.42195881 Report

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>>42195856
I personally never turn off the Exp. Share on Pokémon games but having the option to is always nice.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:28:31 No.42195882 Report

Quoted By: >>42195922 >>42197088

>>42195856
I recently played both of the Gen 5 entries again this past month and as much as I loved returning to unova, one of my biggest gripes was having to use the old exp share system. I had to spend a lot of time going around and grinding my pokemon to all be at a sufficient level to take on the next major objective. You could say that's where the challenge lies, but to me it feels less like challenge and more like grinding for audinos over and over to get all my pokemon to level 25.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:28:31 No.42195883 Report

Quoted By: >>42196117

literally no pokemon game requires grinding. I agree with you in a general sense about the dogshit tedium of turn based rpgs but this isn't really applicable to pokemon

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:28:32 No.42195884 Report

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It's not an inherently bad mechanic at all. Lots of RPGs use that kind of thing. The problem is that the game isn't balanced around it so it makes things way too easy. They need to make the NPCs more challenging to justify how easy it is to level up.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:30:19 No.42195906 Report

Quoted By: >>42196018 >>42197319

I don't necessarily mind it as it is in XY/SM, but as it is in SwSh is pretty bad

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:31:23 No.42195922 Report

Quoted By: >>42195955

>>42195882
Shit, didn't realize people would start replying so quickly so I'll try to wrap this up quick.

I agree that the new EXP share could make the games far too easy to beat. I feel like a fine balance could be struck if the leveling progression was balanced in a way to accomodate for all of your teammates growing at once. Perhaps it could work in a way where the experience was a little slower than usual, but the exp gained for all other teammates would scale to help them catch up to the highest levelled pokemon in your possession. It would both help make the main game a little more challenging as well as make the endgame grinding slightly less tedious.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:33:48 No.42195951 Report

Quoted By: >>42195991

New Exp Share is fine in an actually balanced game. The problem with Gen 8 is that I had to completely stop battling wild Pokemon to keep my levels fair. Then once I beat the 5th gym, the routes were filled with mandatory piss easy trainers and I was over-levelled until the champion. I even rotated my team.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:34:03 No.42195955 Report

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>>42195922
Since I realized I worded that pretty poorly, I meant "highest levelled pokemon in your party" not one you just own and have in a box. There'd also obviously have to be a limit of some sort for traded mons to avoid cheesing the game, perhaps by halving the experienced gained if the highest levelled party member is a traded mon who exceeds the level designated by your badges at which traded pokemon will obey you.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:35:14 No.42195973 Report

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>>42195856
Exp share is good, just not always on.

It makes the game too easy and makes the chance to over level before the next badge quite high and forces to rotate your Pokemon to aviod this.

Exp was better when the option to turn it off was there, I only really used it to level up Pokemon for Dex entries fast anyway.

The games had potential, but things like this ruins it along with other stuff like Dex cull (cull gen 5 to an acceptable number and job done), the graphics (but what can the switch take vs what a full Pokemon game has to offer?) and story (there was no love at the end, it was just rushed)

I'm in the boat of "I liked it, but missed its potential"

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:36:26 No.42195991 Report

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>>42195951
I was pretty much always above the rivals until the champion cup and on par with the gym leaders ace while rotating my team out. If the exp share was optional like in Gen 6 and 7 that would have not been as much of an issue for me while being able to use my team proper constantly

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:38:19 No.42196018 Report

Quoted By: >>42196076

>>42195856
pkm XY has:
EXP share
pkm amie that gives anime mechanics such as nullify status effects
mega evolution
with that games become to easy you just need two pkm to solo the entire region>>42195906

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:44:59 No.42196076 Report

Quoted By: >>42197304

>>42196018
Yeah, XY had a load of ways to break the game in half but the EXP Share being optional at least gave you the chance to turn it off for the main story and then have it be super helpful for EV training and stuff in the postgame. I also legitimately found myself needing to turn it on in USUM because there were points where my team was getting creamed by totems and it saved grinding time.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 01:49:04 No.42196117 Report

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>>42195883
e-fuckin-scuse me what? im replaying hgss fighting every trainer, optional or not, and never running from encounters and im still fucking underlevelled by like 15 fucking levels

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 02:38:33 No.42196670 Report

Quoted By: >>42196854

>>42195856
>grinding
Stopped reading there
If you ever grind in Pokemon you have single digit IQ

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 02:52:28 No.42196854 Report

Quoted By: >>42197004

>>42196670
t.Bring me the food i don't to move my legs to get it

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 02:53:19 No.42196864 Report

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>>42195856
The most fun the in game experience has is generally the battling and raising of pokemon, the new experience mechanic changes it so you basically have the minimal amount of fun of both aspects unless you are constantly switching pokemon in and out of the party.
Some people may enjoy this of it doesn't change the fact that most people recognize this as poor game design, given how gamefreak designs their games.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:04:16 No.42197004 Report

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>>42196854
I cycled out my team frequently in black and they were typically underlevelled, so I had to occasionally had to grind a bit to catch them up

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:11:01 No.42197088 Report

Quoted By: >>42197104 >>42197106 >>42197289

>>42195882
Bullshit

I've played my first game of BW last month
>No items during fights
>No wild pokemon exp
>Only trainers

And I've done the league 4 just fine with underleved pokemons because I've strategized beforehand
The postgame was actually understandable as all pokemons get 20+ levels for some reason, but otherwise the level curve was fine

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:12:33 No.42197104 Report

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>>42197088
And to add to that, I've switched some pokemons during my adventure and played with only 5 pokemons until I got my hands on a Litwick
And also didn't use the daycare

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:12:40 No.42197106 Report

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>>42197088
Maybe I just overanticipated the difficulty? I remember the game being much tougher when I was younger, hehe.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:26:52 No.42197274 Report

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>>42195877
This. The exp share is ok, but let us deactivate it

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:27:53 No.42197289 Report

Quoted By: >>42197329

>>42197088
That's because Gen 5 is easy as hell.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:29:09 No.42197304 Report

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>>42196076
Gen 7 is harder for what Pokémon is. The game give you options to turn it harder than any other Pokémon game.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:30:12 No.42197319 Report

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>>42195906
This

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:31:07 No.42197329 Report

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>>42197289
It's sure easy af
I'm doing the feature of BW postgame rn and do afterwards B2W2

So if the sequel doesn't become harder, what game from Gen 5 is hard?

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