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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 13:27:42 No.42327688 View View Reply Original Report

Say something nice about him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:14:59 No.42328084 Report

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Best starter of this generation hands down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:16:04 No.42328101 Report

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I love Inteleon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:17:17 No.42328117 Report

Quoted By: >>42333340 >>42336366

>>42327688
I like his feet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:17:25 No.42328119 Report

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>>42327688
His gigantamax made me like him a bit

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:18:24 No.42328131 Report

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I love this smug, lanky fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:32:05 No.42328280 Report

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>the opposite of her

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:35:33 No.42328330 Report

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>>42328119
>give it a gun
>suddenly it's not that bad anymore
why are ameritards so obsessed with guns?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:37:03 No.42328358 Report

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You re the sans of this gen and a bunch of Japanese girls want to fuck you.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:37:48 No.42328370 Report

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>>42327688
my husband :D

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:43:59 No.42328438 Report

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>>42327688
It's the third best water starter.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 14:58:47 No.42328650 Report

Quoted By: >>42329317 >>42333059 >>42333423

>>42328330
It ALWAYS had a gun, you tard. It does have a big one now, though. And that's awesome. Also, canonically the longest limb in the pokemon universe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:01:08 No.42328676 Report

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>>42327688
He's not as bad as Eiscue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:03:02 No.42328697 Report

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>>42327688
No

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:10:41 No.42328803 Report

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>>42327688
He makes Raihan understand!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:11:44 No.42328817 Report

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>>42328803

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:13:15 No.42328840 Report

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>>42327688
First pokemon of this gen that I came to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:22:40 No.42328970 Report

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>>42327688
Great design. /vp/ is never right about anything, including taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:23:41 No.42328988 Report

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would love to penetrate his boipuccy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:41:14 No.42329239 Report

Quoted By: >>42331291 >>42335064

He is a lucky lizard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:46:40 No.42329317 Report

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>>42328650
God, I want him to mummify me head to toe in that long, thick and strong tail and squeeze me until I pass out

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:48:30 No.42329337 Report

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 15:49:13 No.42329346 Report

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>>42327688
Incel

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:09:17 No.42329613 Report

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>>42329346
Inteleon? Lol, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:11:38 No.42329649 Report

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>>42327688
I’m a gorillafag but I gotta say this crazed gunman has grown on me like you wouldn’t believe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:15:07 No.42329699 Report

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I like when I open Pokemon Camp and he's smiling at me. He looks hilarious doing it.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:16:31 No.42329714 Report

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:29:21 No.42329904 Report

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i want inteleon to raw me in the alley behind the pokemon center

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:51:59 No.42330235 Report

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>>42329904
He'll raw your dead corpse.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:53:12 No.42330250 Report

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>>42330235

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:54:16 No.42330267 Report

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>>42330250
Imagine kissing this thing hoping for Prince Charming and this is what you fucking get. How pissed would you be?

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:55:18 No.42330279 Report

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>>42330267

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:56:36 No.42330303 Report

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>>42330279

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:58:00 No.42330323 Report

Quoted By: >>42330350

>>42330303

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 16:59:13 No.42330350 Report

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>>42330323
Very cute. Too bad she would be arrested one minute later for Zoophilia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:00:33 No.42330367 Report

Quoted By: >>42330390 >>42330634

>>42327688
He’s honestly kinda cool and I sometimes wish I picked him instead of Scorbunny

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:02:15 No.42330390 Report

Quoted By: >>42330683

>>42330367
Just trade for a sobble. I liked all starters so I just went "fuck it" and god all three thru trades, I already have a Inteleon and Cinderace for competitive too and I'm thinking about how to include a rillaboom in my plans.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:06:56 No.42330467 Report

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:14:47 No.42330608 Report

Quoted By: >>42330640

>>42327688
>This artist
>Making any male Pokemon character excluding Pikachu

lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:16:30 No.42330634 Report

Quoted By: >>42330683 >>42331291 >>42335064

>>42330367
You can always breed your Cinderace for more Scorbunny and then trade these for Sobble and Grookey. Then in order to keep the purity of your team, breed the Sobble and Grookey to get the other starters with your ID, and finally throw your Cinderace as well as the other traded starters into the meat grinder to make curry you shall feed your own Sobble, Grookey and new Scorbunny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:16:41 No.42330640 Report

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>>42330608
eyelashes were a bigger giveaway for the uninitiated too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:19:23 No.42330683 Report

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>>42330634
>>42330390
I have Sobble, and Inteleon actually, I just mean I wish I had experienced my journey with Sobble lol. Also I have a feeling that the G-max forms will initially only be available to your actual starter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:21:25 No.42330718 Report

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>>42327688
I'm hot for Gexxy!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 17:56:50 No.42331291 Report

Quoted By: >>42331595

>>42330634
>>42329239
Why is this a commonality?

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 18:14:22 No.42331595 Report

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>>42331291
It's just one artist's preference.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 18:52:13 No.42332200 Report

Quoted By: >>42332259 >>42332528 >>42335143

>>42331595
The facesitting shit is made by one artist, yes, but F Cinderace x M Inteleon is actually a very popular pairing among a lot of artists

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 18:56:56 No.42332259 Report

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>>42332200
it's a dumb forced pairing that one jap artist started and now it won't stop

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:06:14 No.42332410 Report

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>>42330467
>That Cinderace trying to wrap its limbs around Inteleons stick body.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:13:59 No.42332528 Report

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>>42332200
I presume the fetish was their only point, but yeah, fire and water make for a very attractive pairing aesthetic. These two possess their own unique takes on cockiness within the archetypes that they represent while also exemplifying rather diverse personalities, which helps shake things up... Having a nearly identical battle pose is just the icing on top.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:23:39 No.42332666 Report

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Gloria x Inteleon > Cinderace x Inteleon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:28:38 No.42332739 Report

Quoted By: >>42341852

>>42327688
With those pretty eyelashes it looks more like a Her to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:29:30 No.42332750 Report

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>>42327688
I like that artist, too bad he adds boobs to everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:32:56 No.42332802 Report

Quoted By: >>42332882 >>42338795

The perfect example of "if this was a fakemon everyone would shit on it, but because turner shat it out everyone loves it"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:40:15 No.42332882 Report

Quoted By: >>42332898

>>42332802
Turner's artwork is inherently appealing which is why GameFreak hired him to design Pokemon in the first place.

By contrast the average fakemon designer has no experience in art or design and therefore consistently create garbage designs.

Sorry you can't handle the facts mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:41:30 No.42332898 Report

Quoted By: >>42332943 >>42332946

>>42332882
>OFFICIAL GOOD
>SOULFUL FANART BAD

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:44:55 No.42332943 Report

Quoted By: >>42332957

>>42332898
Good art is good art, and Turner creates good art. DeviantArt scribbles is not good art. Thats all there is to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:45:09 No.42332946 Report

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>>42332898
this but unironically

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:45:57 No.42332957 Report

Quoted By: >>42332980

>>42332943
>DeviantArt scribbles is not good art.
you described turner's "art"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:47:44 No.42332980 Report

Quoted By: >>42333014

>>42332957
He's clearly a proffessional artist with a wide variety of fantastic designs not limited to Pokemon. This is not debateable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:48:41 No.42332996 Report

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>>42330267
>pissed
You must be new here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:49:55 No.42333014 Report

Quoted By: >>42333043

>>42332980
shitfreak might as well hire a straight-up fetish artist if their standards are this low

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:51:57 No.42333043 Report

Quoted By: >>42333051

>>42333014
Your pure unbridled jealousy and loathing are evident, anon. Why not pursue your dreams instead of complaining about other peoples designs? Maybe someday you'll reach even a fraction of based Turner's success.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:52:30 No.42333051 Report

Quoted By: >>42333073

>>42333043
why don't you just shut the fuck up and die

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:53:00 No.42333059 Report

Quoted By: >>42337321

>>42328650
That fucker is prehensile

The things they could DO with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:53:56 No.42333073 Report

Quoted By: >>42333091

>>42333051
Did I strike a nerve?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:55:00 No.42333091 Report

Quoted By: >>42333151

>>42333073
go back to jerking your micropeepee to inceleon

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:58:09 No.42333139 Report

Quoted By: >>42333364

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 19:58:57 No.42333151 Report

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>>42333091
No, please, keep going, you're really impressing me with these love letters to Turner's artistic genius.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:01:25 No.42333191 Report

Quoted By: >>42333311 >>42333387 >>42333927

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
NO NO NO NO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
IMAGINE LOSING TO A FUCKING TORKOAL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AND THEN RAGEQUITTING BECAUSE YOU MADE THE MISTAKE OF CHOOSING THE SHITTIEST START ERLMFADLFKMADLFGGGAD
WHAT A PATHETIC POKEMON

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:09:04 No.42333311 Report

Quoted By: >>42333327 >>42333331 >>42333337 >>42333359

>>42333191
>Ice Beam against Fire/Rock
This man has made bigger mistakes than choosing Inteleon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:10:16 No.42333327 Report

Quoted By: >>42333370

>>42333311
it's called a misclick you fucker, you'd be lying if you said you never made that same mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:10:22 No.42333331 Report

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>>42333311
Torkoal is pure Fire

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:10:54 No.42333337 Report

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>>42333311
>Fire/Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:10:58 No.42333340 Report

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>>42328117
This, but hate everything else about it.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:12:01 No.42333359 Report

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>>42333311
>Fire/Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:12:19 No.42333364 Report

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>>42333139
I feel the sexual tension, but I find it hard to actually want to fuck them both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:12:44 No.42333370 Report

Quoted By: >>42333428

>>42333327
>misclick
He was obviously expecting the switch because inteleoniggers are pussies who switch out just because of a little type disadvantage and project that onto others, but torkoalchads have big brains and even bigger balls and one shot their enemies anyway.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:13:48 No.42333387 Report

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>>42333191
>Ice Beam over Hydro Pump against a Fire Type,
>Not just U-Turning out if you are so lacking in confidence to KO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:16:02 No.42333423 Report

Quoted By: >>42336824

>>42328650
imagine Dynamax Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:16:33 No.42333428 Report

Quoted By: >>42333439 >>42333444 >>42333453

>>42333370
>Knowing that a water attack won't OHKO a pokemon with (probably) decent sp def spread in the sun is big brain
-1000 ELO confirmed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:17:19 No.42333439 Report

Quoted By: >>42333444

>>42333428
bigger brain than inteleoniggers LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:18:00 No.42333444 Report

Quoted By: >>42333465 >>42333468

>>42333428
>specially defensive torkoal
this is bulky Charizard Y levels of retardation

>>42333439
keep seething

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:18:41 No.42333453 Report

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>>42333428
Post ELO if you are good then

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:19:23 No.42333465 Report

Quoted By: >>42333581

>>42333444
Literally every Torkoal online will bother more with Sp Def than Def because they know Earthquake will fuck them, so the best they can do is hope for tanking water hits while doing Solar Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:19:38 No.42333468 Report

Quoted By: >>42333581

>>42333444
>seething
>at winning
Do you even know what the words you say mean?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:25:04 No.42333552 Report

Quoted By: >>42333581

This is now a torkoal thread, inteleon is a faggot and gay and can't even beat a torkoal, it doesn't deserve a thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:25:46 No.42333573 Report

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Go ahead, post all the Torkoal fan art you have.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:26:11 No.42333581 Report

Quoted By: >>42333696

>>42333465
>>42333468
mad bad

>>42333552
light me

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:26:48 No.42333593 Report

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>>42327688

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:31:42 No.42333696 Report

Quoted By: >>42333819 >>42333962

>>42333581
>calling someone who won bad
What a nonsensical cope, that just means inteleon is REALLY bad since it lost.
>dude weed
Whups, forgot to check the clock, kids must be coming home from school. Time to get off /vp/.
stay mad, kiddo. You'll learn to control those emotions once you grow up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:37:29 No.42333819 Report

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>>42333696
please understand, inceleonfags are serverely autistic and have mad scalebrain

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:43:47 No.42333927 Report

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>>42333191
>posting a battle in which your opponent makes a blatant type mistake
Yeah, inteleon is so shit if he can't one shot something through an obvious type mismatch

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 20:46:22 No.42333962 Report

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>>42333696
This is now a Pelipper thread, Torkoal is a cuck who manages to be Untiered despite having one of the best abilities in the game. Post Pelipper the true best Hoenn weather setter, and show your appreciation.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 21:52:11 No.42335064 Report

Quoted By: >>42340915

>>42330634
>>42329239
god I wish that were me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 21:57:08 No.42335143 Report

Quoted By: >>42335520 >>42335538

>>42332200
waifufags love the rabbit
husbandofags love the lizard
nobody but /vp/ loves the gorilla
it seems like this was bound to happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 22:13:33 No.42335503 Report

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Chadcargo > Turdkoal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 22:14:35 No.42335520 Report

Quoted By: >>42338837

>>42335143
>nobody but /vp/ loves the gorilla
and the delusional smash rosterfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 22:15:25 No.42335538 Report

Quoted By: >>42338018

>>42335143
niggers love the gorilla

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 22:20:50 No.42335644 Report

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>>42327688
My least liked of three Galar starter, but I do think it's a cool starter with good personality. Its gigantamax form is neat too. I found all starters this gen pretty good though so I'm glad they all have their fans, even if Inteleon pretty much rely on Greninja fans for its popularity.

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 23:03:16 No.42336366 Report

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>>42328117
>>42333340
>Here you go

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Anonymous Fri 10 Jan 2020 23:30:52 No.42336824 Report

Quoted By: >>42337662 >>42338112

>>42333423
Kinda like this?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 00:01:45 No.42337321 Report

Quoted By: >>42338112

>>42329317
>>42333059
Based. 150 ft of strong leezard tail is like a dream come true

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 00:21:48 No.42337662 Report

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>>42336824
Source? I love jap artists that draw funny shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 00:36:19 No.42337886 Report

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>>42327688
He would look better if he were fatter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 00:44:31 No.42338018 Report

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>>42335538
the only ones who care about pokemon are they types to wear hats that say HENTAI or other such waifu/weeb faggotry
thus, they love the rabbit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 00:48:59 No.42338112 Report

Quoted By:

>>42337321
>>42336824
That seems like a joke Gin Tama would do about Gigantamaxing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 01:32:43 No.42338795 Report

Quoted By: >>42338922

>>42332802
Really? Sobble was already popular. Personally the only thing I don't like is how it leans a bit too hard into the "deceptively weak", especially with the idle pose, but it has good colors and is the ultimate adapter to many different conditions,

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 01:35:16 No.42338837 Report

Quoted By: >>42338970 >>42343013

>>42335520
I thought Toxtricity and Dracovish were, depending on if "shillmon" or "meme" were their priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 01:40:44 No.42338922 Report

Quoted By: >>42339031

>>42338795
sobble was popular because le sade boiii memes and now ya'lls want to fuck it, disgusting freaks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 01:43:52 No.42338970 Report

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>>42338837
Some guy was trying to force Toxtricity's inclusion with an image detailing a would-be moveset, but it never really caught on hard. Certainty not to Steve levels, anyway. Any reference to Dracovish being included is just hard sarcasm in every sense, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 01:47:26 No.42339031 Report

Quoted By: >>42339221

>>42338922
Grew up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 01:59:55 No.42339221 Report

Quoted By:

>>42339031
>yes, I do wear hats that say HENTAI, how could you tell?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 02:01:29 No.42339246 Report

Quoted By:

>>42327688
i like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 03:54:14 No.42340915 Report

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>>42335064
translation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 04:54:18 No.42341852 Report

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>>42332739
it's made by an american

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 04:54:46 No.42341862 Report

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Well, i want to fuck it. That's more than i can say for like 70% of the Pokémon this gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 06:24:59 No.42343013 Report

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>>42338837
Rillaboom is their automatic "go-to" because "muh starter trio"
Tox however is pretty fair game with Smash kids, but not compared to their grass-type starter attachment Sceptilefags started since the ballot. (who were making shady truces and nudges with the lizard chads)

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