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Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:23:08 No.42497521 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>42497535 >>42497554 >>42497561 >>42497577 >>42497707 >>42497804 >>42497820 >>42497991 >>42498125 >>42498411 >>42498428 >>42498987 >>42500812

>NatDex AG, no rules, every Pokemon, deleted moves are back, Megas/Z Moves/Dynamax are in
>Xerneas is so fucking busted that Zacian-C being in S along it feels off, and is considered to drop, keep in mind fucking Mega Ray is not S
>Turns out the NatDex guys made Hidden Power turn into a 110 BP coverage move, meaning Xerneas has a free Fire Blast/110 BP Earth Power when Dynamaxed, basically reducing its counters to literally zero
What were they thinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:24:22 No.42497535 Report

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>>42497521
>AG
the we-don't-care-and-won't-even-pretend-it's-balanced mode?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:25:51 No.42497554 Report

Quoted By: >>42497630

>>42497521
>NatDex guys made Hidden Power turn into a 110 BP coverage move
Why would they even do that when Z-Hidden Power is always normal type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:26:26 No.42497561 Report

Quoted By: >>42498195

>>42497521
There was some other moves currently in the game that changes type when max moved so they made HP work like that too.
Don't remember what move it was. Probably weather ball and nature power and similar stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:28:05 No.42497577 Report

Quoted By: >>42497675 >>42497704 >>42498268 >>42498358

>>42497521
And people shit on Smogon for creating Tiers in the first place when you get shit like AG if you throw out the entire Tier system? Why does /vp/ hate Smogon so much? If Smogon didn't exist, isn't it common sense to conclude another community would try to properly organize the fucking mess of a metagame Game Freak created?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:32:02 No.42497625 Report

Quoted By: >>42497648 >>42497838

One thing I don't get is acting like mechanics weren't scrapped on purpose. There's clearly a fucking reason why Hidden Power, Megas, and Z-Moves were deleted. Yet those retards (ironically obsessed with balance) didn't notice it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:32:14 No.42497630 Report

Quoted By: >>42497817

>>42497554

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:33:57 No.42497648 Report

Quoted By: >>42498195

>>42497625
I understand why people like megas but cannot wrap my head around someone wanting to reintroduce Z-moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:35:39 No.42497675 Report

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>>42497577
/vp/ is full of low elo brainlets that think they know better than Smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:37:32 No.42497704 Report

Quoted By: >>42497749 >>42497802 >>42501066

>>42497577
>Why does /vp/ hate Smogon so much?
Does it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:37:34 No.42497707 Report

Quoted By: >>42498299

>>42497521
I skipped gen 7.
What Necrosma and it's forms do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:41:22 No.42497749 Report

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>>42497704
It was evident when a portion of /vp/ was shitting on Smogon when Dynamax was first banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:46:49 No.42497802 Report

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>>42497704
There is constant seething here about smogon and their "fanfic meta"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:46:56 No.42497804 Report

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>>42497521
Just wait for Dynamax Xerneas to become a reality this fall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:48:06 No.42497817 Report

Quoted By: >>42497846 >>42498295

>>42497630
Why would they even keep hidden power and Zmoves? I thought NatDex meta was supposed to just be SWSH mechanics but in a hypothetical scenario with all the mons.

That would have been a much better idea than this clusterfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:48:17 No.42497820 Report

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>>42497521
Doubles AG when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:49:23 No.42497838 Report

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>>42497625
Z moves were at best merely tolerable and at worst near gamebreaking.
Megas were always fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:49:50 No.42497846 Report

Quoted By: >>42497873 >>42498045

>>42497817
No, it's "what if gamefreak hadn't culled ANYTHING and the games just kept growing more and more bloated with every release?"
I get the desire for a natdex format but refusing to deal with moves getting culled is some straight-up autism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:51:52 No.42497873 Report

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>>42497846
Don't worry anon they'll bring back the culled moves in the expansions for only $30.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:53:50 No.42497895 Report

Quoted By: >>42497923 >>42498045

>GF makes a decision that makes the game feel more lackluster
>fans try to “fix” it by going turbo autist in the opposite direction
Why is it always like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:55:59 No.42497923 Report

Quoted By: >>42498045

>>42497895
Because the overwhelming majority of fans have no idea what they're doing and genuinely could not do better than Gamefreak.
This is true for pretty much every franchise and is why no sane developer lets their fans have more than the bare minimum of input on what they make.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:02:24 No.42497991 Report

Quoted By: >>42497999

>>42497521
I wish they just let people use all three mechanics in a single team with the caveat that any mega or thing carrying a Z-crystal can’t dynamax

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:03:13 No.42497999 Report

Quoted By: >>42498404

>>42497991
that's literally already the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:06:07 No.42498045 Report

Quoted By: >>42498122 >>42498253 >>42498293 >>42498332 >>42498425 >>42498962 >>42500833 >>42501037

>>42497923
>>42497895
>>42497846
I prefer using an idealized scenario where Game Freak doesn’t cull out major features like entire Pokemon or moves and instead follows the precedent where it continually builds on itself. This was the case for Gen 1-7.

You fucking know why dexit happened and entire moves were removed. This isn’t because “muh balance.” It’s because the devs literally rushed the game out and didn’t have the time to port over all the Pokemon and moves. And I’m betting somewhere in the development process they couldn’t figure out how the fuck Return is supposed to work because of the changes they made to friendship and affection so they decided to throw it out entirely.

Stop riding GF’s dick and stop pretending they’re geniuses that somehow create perfectly balanced battle mechanics like when they come up with shit like dynamaxing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:07:42 No.42498065 Report

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my wife Zacian is so strong

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:11:43 No.42498122 Report

Quoted By: >>42498206 >>42498405 >>42498541 >>42500762

>>42498045
I didn't say it was more balanced. I said that culling shit is good because this franchise has gotten insanely bloated.
I promise you it takes no time at all to port over pokemon. I don't know why they were culled and that's one case where I don't think the culling was a good thing, although I'm not upset about it either. But I know it wasn't because the game was rushed (although it was rushed), because that doesn't make any fucking sense.

>And I’m betting somewhere in the development process they couldn’t figure out how the fuck Return is supposed to work because of the changes they made to friendship and affection
Absolute brainlet take. Friendship is still a value between 0 and 255 you fucking idiot.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:11:54 No.42498125 Report

Quoted By: >>42498234 >>42498594 >>42500668

>>42497521
>Mega Rayquaza is only A+
>Xerneas in S
>Zacian dropping out of S
What the fuck? Someone explain please, what happened? Why is Xerneas so busted in this format? How the hell did it ovetake MEGA RAYQUAZA?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:17:09 No.42498195 Report

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>>42497561
Yeah the precedents were Weather Ball and Multi Attack, Weather Ball used to behave differently with Z moves as well. This change is probably close to how Game Freak intended HP to work which might be part of why they decided to remove Hidden Power in general.
>>42497648
Unironically zoomers that need wall breaking to be babby mode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:17:37 No.42498206 Report

Quoted By: >>42498216

>>42498122
Because the overwhelming majority of fans have no idea what they're doing and genuinely could not do better than Gamefreak.
This is true for pretty much every franchise and is why no sane developer lets their fans have more than the bare minimum of input on what they make.

lololol you claim porting Pokemon takes no effort, how could YOU know? You’re just a fan, not a professional game developer according to the logic used above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:18:47 No.42498216 Report

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>>42498206
you have brain rot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:19:51 No.42498234 Report

Quoted By: >>42500921

>>42498125
Dynamax Xerneas is fucking busted. Get ready to see it later this year on cart. Maybe it'll get Mystical Fire for coverage since every special attacker fairy learns it now.

Have fun, because it and Zacian are going to be on EVERY VGC 2022 team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:21:40 No.42498253 Report

Quoted By: >>42498274

>>42498045
>keeping retarded moves and mechanics
>idealized

No thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:22:15 No.42498268 Report

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>>42497577
So many normalfags think Smogon tiering is based on how much the Smogon council likes the design. Seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:22:39 No.42498274 Report

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>>42498253
Based. Perfect meta is
>all mons
>no megas
>no Z moves
>no dynamax

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:24:15 No.42498293 Report

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>>42498045
I literally said that GF made the games more lackluster. How is that dick riding you fucking schizo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:24:41 No.42498295 Report

Quoted By: >>42498635

>>42497817
At this point, does it matter? By the end of 2021 there will be an official Nat Dex meta without Hidden Power, Megas, and Z-Moves and Smogon Nat Dex can just be looked back as a silly part of competitive Pokemon history.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:24:51 No.42498299 Report

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>>42497707
Dusk Mane is a Steel type with recovery and basically Filter, on top of multiple set up options
Ultra has to transform from Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings mid-battle, so take the above and also give it the option that has more speed, basically an Expert Belt, and a Z-move on top
Also fun to note is that the moves Necrozma typically use also have a secondary Mold Breaker effect

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:27:04 No.42498332 Report

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>>42498045
T. Sad Smogon Kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:29:13 No.42498358 Report

Quoted By: >>42498397 >>42498434

>>42497577

Weak argument anon, Gamefreak banned box legends and mythicals from the battle facilities on day 1, even in VGC they've been kind of in and out. You don't need smogon to have a meta without Xerneas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:32:16 No.42498397 Report

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>>42498358
Box legends aren't even close to being the only busted pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:33:19 No.42498404 Report

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>>42497999
Is it? I thought you couldn’t mega anything if you dynamaxed some other mon on your team already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:33:20 No.42498405 Report

Quoted By: >>42498485

>>42498122
>culling shit is good
ok joe.
>insanely bloated
a franchise about catching virtual pets has lots of virtual pets? say it ain't so!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:33:33 No.42498411 Report

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>>42497521
>man why is brawl minus not balanced jeez
this is literally the fuck it meta why are you complaining

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:34:44 No.42498425 Report

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>>42498045
No shit, if Metronome uses Roar of Time or Klefki’s unique move the game crashes. They blocked some moves but not all of them despite some of the unblocked moves apparently not having animations.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:35:00 No.42498428 Report

Quoted By: >>42500833

>>42497521
>he needs autistic rules to win battles in his digital monster collector game
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:35:22 No.42498434 Report

Quoted By: >>42498659

>>42498358
Battle facilities are single-player PvE content, not PvP where the metagame is formed. And did you unironically enjoy the riveting VGC content with Primal Groudon and the same Legendaries in virtually every team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:38:47 No.42498485 Report

Quoted By: >>42498507

>>42498405
I already said culling pokemon isn't good.
Culling moves is, though. So is culling Z-moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:40:25 No.42498507 Report

Quoted By: >>42498545

>>42498485
Z-moves are the most balanced gimmick of the ones we’ve gotten so far. You can’t prove me wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:43:37 No.42498541 Report

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>>42498122
>digimon has literal thousands of monsters, many of them straight up recolors of more popular monsters
>every game improves or experiments with the gameplay
>acknowledged from day one not every digimon was wanted but made an effort to keep all they could on a small budget
>pokemon is still in the hundreds and many pokemon are just animals with markings they could still feasibly develop in real life through selection
>keeps dragging a system that was outdated in 1995
>after creating the expectation that every pokemon could be kept by adding more pokemon with each generation, they only put 400 on a triple a kusoge
It's bad when pokemon does it because it's honestly all it has going. Even Youkai Watch changes the gameplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:44:07 No.42498545 Report

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>>42498507
Dynamax is shit and the only reason I miss megas is that I liked some of the designs.
Z-moves being more balanced than them doesn't mean they shouldn't be culled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:48:05 No.42498594 Report

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>>42498125
Turns out geomancy with dynamax is some busted shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:51:16 No.42498635 Report

Quoted By: >>42500735

>>42498295
It's actually possible they'll re-add the missing moves. Unown can only learn Hidden Power. If they're going to re-add a move for that, it stands to reason everything will be added back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:53:21 No.42498659 Report

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>>42498434
>And did you unironically enjoy the riveting VGC content with Primal Groudon and the same Legendaries in virtually every team?
I actually do. It's only every few years, so it's kind of fun to bust out the big guns every now and then. It also poses a fun challenge when team building, because restricted legendaries are by no means invincible. There are plenty of ordinary Pokemon that hard counter certain restricted legendaries, and being able to find them and catch someone off guard to win matches is good fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 00:25:22 No.42498962 Report

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>>42498045
>It’s because the devs literally rushed the game out and didn’t have the time to port over all the Pokemon and moves.
Nah. They removed Pokemon and moves deliberately to sell them back to us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 00:27:38 No.42498987 Report

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>>42497521
They were thinking it would be fun to make a meta that has no rules and everything is allowed (except an endless battle).
And maybe they were also thinking that if anyone bitched about their autistic ruleset and bans, they could just point those people to AG, the opposite extreme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 03:16:27 No.42500668 Report

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>>42498125
>click geomancy
>click dynamax
>win

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 03:24:57 No.42500735 Report

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>>42498635
I get the feeling they'll either rework Unown with a new move or just make Hidden Power exclusive to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 03:27:14 No.42500762 Report

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>>42498122
Return would probably be reworked to hit its highest power (and by extension, Frustration's lowest) at 160, since that's where friendship caps before you need to start camping to raise it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 03:32:33 No.42500812 Report

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>>42497521
It’s AG lmao who gives a fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 03:34:54 No.42500833 Report

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>>42498428
ND AG is just unrestricted (with the exception of Leppa+Recycle+Heal Pulse+Recover) Gen 8, but if GameFreak didn’t fuck up like with what >>42498045 says

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 03:45:45 No.42500921 Report

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>>42498234
>Maybe it'll get Mystical Fire for coverage since every special attacker fairy learns it now.
>Mystical Fire becomes a 130 BP Max Flare when Dynamaxed
Please don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 03:45:57 No.42500923 Report

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>>42497838
My point is that having megas on top of Gigantamax among other shit is utterly broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 03:59:10 No.42501037 Report

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>>42498045
>I am owed 1000 mons and 700 different moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jan 2020 04:01:12 No.42501066 Report

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>>42497704
Yes, /vp/ does. Just look at the average thread. Every time Smogon even breathes, /vp/ gets their panties in a twist.

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