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Make Ice types great for once

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 11:16:06 No.42514537 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>42515165 >>42515364 >>42515442 >>42515785 >>42515790 >>42516160 >>42516718 >>42516834

I have two ideas:
> Add Ice Clumps as an ice type variant of Stealth Rock
> Make hail have a chance of making things "slippery" it could decrease enemy speed or accuracy. Also hail should not always take 1/16th of HP it should be influenced by effectiveness.

I honestly think, that not much more is needed to make ice types usable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:23:18 No.42514995 Report

Quoted By: >>42515101 >>42515181 >>42516152

make them resistant to water, flying and ground and have hail boost the defense of ice-types by 50%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:29:33 No.42515021 Report

Quoted By: >>42515540

Here's how to do it with just one change:
>Hail now does 12.5% damage per turn to non-Ice types.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:37:38 No.42515062 Report

Quoted By: >>42516726

>hail lowers speed of non-ice and non-fire types one stage
>ice resists dragon, water, and fairy
Your ice is now kino, and smogonbabbies will seethe.
Enjoy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:44:06 No.42515101 Report

Quoted By: >>42515642

>>42514995
resistant to dragons instead of water and fairy only resist them as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:45:53 No.42515115 Report

Quoted By: >>42515121

Off to a bad start, as usual.
You guys have no fucking moderation when it comes to buffs.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:46:45 No.42515121 Report

Quoted By: >>42515160

>>42515115
>nooo you can't change things because I don't want to adapt
Based smogonbabby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:49:59 No.42515139 Report

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>42515121
absolute retardation oozing from this post, no (you) for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:54:33 No.42515157 Report

Quoted By: >>42515186 >>42515201 >>42515540

I remember once I spent quite a lot of time thinking about this, and in the end I realized one of the necessary changes would be make it neutral to rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:55:49 No.42515160 Report

Quoted By: >>42515166 >>42515177 >>42515204

>>42515121
>Moving the goalpost
Based illiterate retard.
I want buffs for Ice types, but everyone on /vp/ slaps 5 resists on it and some other Hail bullshit and calls it a day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:56:48 No.42515165 Report

Quoted By: >>42515175 >>42515204

>>42514537
>Ice types resist water and ground
>Hail slows down any non-ice or steel type by 25%

done

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:56:59 No.42515166 Report

Quoted By: >>42515174 >>42515241

>>42515160
>only resists itself
>hurr durr don't "slap" resists on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:58:19 No.42515174 Report

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>>42515166
I guess he meant OP's bad ideas

resists are good for non-retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:58:46 No.42515175 Report

Quoted By: >>42515190

>>42515165
add that ghost types and maybe fire types aren't hurt by hail and you might actually have some synergy for a weather team

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:59:06 No.42515177 Report

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>>42515160
>
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 13:59:51 No.42515181 Report

Quoted By: >>42515205 >>42516112

>>42514995
>dude just make them steel 2.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:00:34 No.42515186 Report

Quoted By: >>42515201 >>42515206

>>42515157
I like this change, it's minimally disruptive and doesn't contain any fanmade elements.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:00:59 No.42515187 Report

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They're my favourite type and don't need fixing because of some gay competitive faggotry.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:01:34 No.42515190 Report

Quoted By: >>42515206 >>42515236 >>42515325

>>42515175
fire types have gotten enough buffs already, also it wouldnt make sense because if fire is hit by hail it just becomes water, so it still hurts them. but with ghosts i actually agree. makes thematic sense (whole "cold death touch" and "ghostly winds" stuff) and could create good synergies. Cool idea anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:04:53 No.42515201 Report

Quoted By: >>42515211 >>42515231

>>42515157
>>42515186
rock really doesnt need nerfs, unless the offensive nerf is balanced by a defensive buff, and then it does become disruptive because you have to tweak two types

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:05:56 No.42515204 Report

Quoted By: >>42515210 >>42515318

>>42515160
No u fa-
>>42515165
Ok maybe you're right.

So the question now is, how do you make a type good without adding a bunch of resists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:06:33 No.42515205 Report

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>>42515181
what about those changes makes it steel 2.0? the flying resist? because that's the only thing that would make them similar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:06:35 No.42515206 Report

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>>42515190
then maybe make dragon neutral to hail, so they have the risk of getting hit by blizzard to compensate, the same way chlorophyll users risk double damage from fire under the sun.
I don't know, there should be some risk/reward mechanic. can't think of anything better now
>>42515186
they should retcon ice to make it the third "defensive type" with steel and rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:07:58 No.42515210 Report

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>>42515204
hail and gimmicks, but those force you into playstyles. you need to realize that without resistence buffs thats all they will ever achieve

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:08:03 No.42515211 Report

Quoted By: >>42516754

>>42515201
ice being neutral to rock wouldn't nerf it offensively that much, ice doesn't have the upper hand offensively anyway, and it would make sense thematically. if we want to go full autism it shouldn't even be weak to steel, but whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:12:33 No.42515231 Report

Quoted By: >>42516754

>>42515201
It's hardly a nerf. Rock still hits Ice neutrally, and Ice rarely seen anyway. The only common Rock-type, Tyranitar, can still easily KO low-Def Icemons, only faring worse against Avalugg. And in doubles, any nerf to Rock Slide spam should be welcome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:14:30 No.42515236 Report

Quoted By: >>42515251

>>42515190
>fire types have gotten enough buffs already
>buff ghost? cool idea anon!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:14:47 No.42515239 Report

Quoted By: >>42515257 >>42515266

The type itself is fine. The problem is that its filled with god awful slow "bulky" defensive Pokemon that aren't Avalugg. The type is much better off getting offensive glass cannons like Darmanitan and Weavile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:15:13 No.42515241 Report

Quoted By: >>42515279

>>42515166
The hell are you even arguing? You aren't reading into my posts properly and are adding your own context/putting words in my mouth because you wouldn't have an argument otherwise.
Ice types need more resists, but not THAT many. You guys are really gunning to make Ice both an offensive and defensive juggernaut without thinking about balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:17:32 No.42515251 Report

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>>42515236
and?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:18:18 No.42515257 Report

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>>42515239
>The type itself is fine
No it's defensively ass, and this is a problem if you want to build a team with anything other than glass cannons. Also the weather is the least available one, by a landslide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:20:31 No.42515266 Report

Quoted By: >>42515334

>>42515239
What's the even the point having the Ice typing? It's more of a liability than anything when you can just use other Pokemon that can learn Ice type moves. Weavile and Darmanitan are good despite their typing which is solely due to their stats/ability.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:22:57 No.42515279 Report

Quoted By: >>42515625

>>42515241
>most people suggest three resists
>THAT many
Every type has at least three resists/immunities, except Psychic (2) and Ice (1).
Keep your socks on.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:28:10 No.42515308 Report

Quoted By: >>42515317

Reminder that grass types need the most help.
Viable grass types are either part steel, or have some gimmick ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:30:43 No.42515317 Report

Quoted By: >>42515323

>>42515308
I've read in the past months that grass was considered now good.
anyway no, ice needs more help

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:30:43 No.42515318 Report

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>>42515204
>So the question now is, how do you make a type good without adding a bunch of resists?
Not do that? Type is defined by its resistances and effectiveness. Weather and other gimmicks are should be cosmetic little changes.

If you want to fix Ice, define the problem. For me it seems that Ice types have good offensive and bad defensive, so you need resistances. What's wrong with that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:31:23 No.42515323 Report

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>>42515317
Ferrothorn is considered good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:31:38 No.42515325 Report

Quoted By: >>42515332 >>42515392

>>42515190
It does not make sense, as the ice would change to gaseous form quickly due to the low volume of water in the hail. Fire Pokemon are walking ovens, what makes them weak to water is the sheer volume of it.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:32:24 No.42515332 Report

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>>42515325
>horsea used bubble

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:32:46 No.42515334 Report

Quoted By:

>>42515266
And STAB. Otherwise it does provide an Ice resist and Hail immunity, the former of which is occasionally useful but outweighed by weaknesses, and the latter of which is not enough to make it good.

So there's your Ice rundown. Your three options are:
>Add resistances
>Remove weaknesses
>Buff Hail

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:35:51 No.42515347 Report

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>simple Ice changes could have fixed the meta
>GF chooses to go UNGA BUNGA and add a dumb new type
>Ice still sucks
JUST

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:38:28 No.42515364 Report

Quoted By: >>42515368 >>42515378

>>42514537
Ice should resist grass type
Then grass should get a move that lets them hit ice for super effective damage
Also more ice moves should be more exclusive to ice types so water types aren't just better
Also water should be weak to poison so the overall nerf makes water types slightly worse so ice types useing ice moves seem better
Then after that gamefreak needs to start making better ice types that focus on being fast attackers.
Is there even a single type combination with ice type that makes it viable for defense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:39:07 No.42515368 Report

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>>42515364
Grass doesn't need to be any shittier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:40:22 No.42515378 Report

Quoted By: >>42515383 >>42515400

>>42515364
Water dilutes poison, that doesn't make any sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:41:11 No.42515383 Report

Quoted By:

>>42515378
tell that to the gulls

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:41:28 No.42515388 Report

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Le ice type sucks meme

Mammoswine and weavile want to speak to you

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:42:09 No.42515392 Report

Quoted By: >>42515496 >>42517396

I'll elaborate on my previous posts:
>make neutral
rock
>make resisted
water
fairy
flying
if anyone has anything to say about fairy being there, I think it's retarded that extreme hot resists it, but not extreme cold.
>hail buffs
ghosts aren't hurt by it + another type. I mentioned fire because of a similar reasoning to this >>42515325, I don't think it would be such a logic stretch. fire could also get some ability to use in tandem with hail similarly to chlorophyll, like:
>steam veil
>by melting the snow around it, the pokemon increases its evasiveness
alternatively I mentioned dragon so there's the risk of 100% accurate blizzards to compensate.
finally, and just because rock gets it already, ice types they could get a buff to Def under hail

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:43:06 No.42515400 Report

Quoted By:

>>42515378
Oh yeah bro the ocean isn't polluted we don't need to take the garbage out of the ocean because it'll just dilute it bro!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 14:49:52 No.42515442 Report

Quoted By:

>>42514537

Offensively:
>destroy BUG(will be buffed) and Steel, neutral to DRAGON, resisted by Ghost

Defensively:
>Hail buff. Resist Electr and Grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:00:31 No.42515496 Report

Quoted By: >>42515504

>>42515392
What we asked for:
>Buff Ice
What we got:
>Buff Ice
>Buff Ice
>Buff Ice
>Buff Ice
>Buff Ghost
>Buff Fire
>Buff Dragon
>Buff Rock
>Nerf Rock
>Nerf Water
>Nerf Fairy
>Nerf Flying

This is why these threads always turn out shit, and always turn out the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:02:36 No.42515504 Report

Quoted By: >>42515540

>>42515496
they turn to shit because fags like you are quick to criticize what the others do but can't absolutely give a good alternative. why don't you enlighten us and buff ice without altering the type chart?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:04:58 No.42515518 Report

Quoted By: >>42515524

I think anon is confused as to why the Ice has difficulty running. I saw many nonsensical proposals like "increase hail damage", "decrease AGI during hail", "remove weaknesses", "harm fire types". The villain who harms the ice type is the same who fucks the fire type:
>Stealth Rock
The meta revolves around pokemon resistant to stealth rock. They say that pokemon ice / fire are bad defensively, but the truth is that losing 25% or 50% of the hp just by being chosen is a big disadvantage for these types. In addition, it is easier to use Stealth Rock than to remove it. Most pokemon learn SR, but few learn Rapid Spin (and most are weak to ground in addition to being ineffective against ghost), quite a lot learn Defog (but are flying type, weak against ST and Rock type). The meta (smogon) disfavors fire, ice, bug, flying (these are more viable because of Roost), and consequently disfavors grass because they do not have the support of fire types. My recommendation is:
>SR damage should not be influenced by advantages or disadvantages
But we know that GF doesn't care about this smogon's meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:06:06 No.42515524 Report

Quoted By: >>42515789

>>42515518
that's an issue with SR not ice per se, lots of shit get fucked by it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:09:06 No.42515540 Report

Quoted By: >>42515561

>>42515504
I did: >>42515021

This is the simplest solution balance-wise because it basically amounts to 'nerf all other types equally under Hail'. No type is buffed or nerfed more than any other, so type balance is not disrupted. I also liked >>42515157 because again, simple change with minimal disruption.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:13:22 No.42515561 Report

Quoted By: >>42515615

>>42515540
so you actually liked my idea because I was the one who suggested making rock neutral.
I clearly should have been more clear because ON TOP of other changes what it really needed was losing the rock weakness. but this isn't even nearly enough to make it substantially better, because it still resists nothing and has thus zero synergy with anything else.
your hail buff is retarded because it makes it even less viable with other types, and basically makes ice good only for monotype hail teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:14:30 No.42515569 Report

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>Ice resists Ground
>Ice is no longer weak to Fighting or Steel
there, the type is fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:23:58 No.42515615 Report

Quoted By: >>42515634

>>42515561
If that's the way it's gotta be, that's the way it's gotta be. It would make Ice unique as a typing, which in a sense it already is due to its lack of resistances. Hail teams become a huge offensive threat, but every other team has to carry an Ice-type as a countermeasure for Hail. Isn't this the best possible outcome for Ice types (aside from Clefable at 60% usage)? It's much more interesting than the 18-type rock-paper-scissors that standard balance creates.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:26:19 No.42515625 Report

Quoted By: >>42516812 >>42517278

>>42515279
Most people suggest 3-4 resists on top of its Ice resist, totaling 4-5, in addition to a Defense boost from Hail.
Keep your pants on, here's my suggestion for Ice types:
>1-2 more resists (Ground for sure, other is debatable if two resists)
>Freeze-Dry's BP is raised to 75 (from 70). All Ice types with even half-decent Special Attack get it if not already.
>Icicle Crash's BP is lowered to 80 BP (from 85), accuracy is raised to 100% (from 90%), PP is raised to 15 (from 10), and a debatable reduction of flinch rate to 20% (from 30%). Wider distribution. All Ice types with even half-decent Attack get it if not already.
>Aurora Veil gets a wider distribution among Ice types.
>More Water-type coverage options. Some should be able to learn Water Pulse or Liquidation, for example.
>Tweak the stat spreads/abilities/movepools of bottom-of-the-barrel Ice types like Dewgong, Aurorus, Mr. Rime, and others.
>Don't make future Ice types slow and defensive unless they have an ability/movepool to support it. No "slow, frail, mixed attackers", either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:27:29 No.42515634 Report

Quoted By: >>42515738

>>42515615
>Isn't this the best possible outcome for Ice types (aside from Clefable at 60% usage)?
no it isn't my god, you basically want to turn ice into absolute cancer. and is that supposed to be a small and nuanced change? do you even read what you write?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:29:26 No.42515642 Report

Quoted By: >>42515662

>>42515101
>Nerfing Dragons even more
Stop, they're already dead.

It makes no sense that Fairy was added. Ice should've been given the Dragon immunity since ice would naturally stop cold-blooded poikilotherms in their tracks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:32:11 No.42515662 Report

Quoted By: >>42515713

>>42515642
>Stop, they're already dead.
don't exaggerate, other than outrage not being spammed anymore they are still widely used

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:41:26 No.42515713 Report

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>>42515662
Only the already absurdly strong ones. Dragapult's Dragon typing definitely drags it down. Ditto Komo-o, Salamence, and Garchomp. Meanwhile the non-psuedo Dragons all got dumpstered.

Fairy is even more of a menace than Dragon was in Gen 5. That's why the top Pokemon this gen is a Fairy type that's completely terrorizing everything that isn't Corviknight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:44:06 No.42515738 Report

Quoted By: >>42515752

>>42515634
I don't think you're a true Ice-type fan. Look at the ubiquity of Sandstorm since Gen 4, or the sheer power of Drought and Drizzle in Gen 5. You don't want Hail to be their equal? Think of the unique playstyles this could create. And unlike those weathers, defensive Ice types would be the antidote to the cancer they cause. Every team would need an Ice-type to avoid being pummelled by 1/8 Hail damage per turn. This is good for all Ice types, both offensive and defensive, and doesn't mess up other type interactions besides.

Making Ice neutral to Rock is a small and nuanced change, but like you said: that isn't enough. I agree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:45:33 No.42515752 Report

Quoted By: >>42515837

>>42515738
No I'm no ice-fag, I want it to be good because all types should be equal, and no, that fucking idiotic idea you had is atrocious, I hope I'm being baited.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:49:35 No.42515785 Report

Quoted By: >>42516827

>>42514537
How to fix ice type
>Neutral to rock
>give it at least two more resists. Can't think of anything maybe flying and water
>Hail functions like sandstorm giving ice types a def boost
>For the love of god GF stop making slow defensive ice types

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:50:07 No.42515789 Report

Quoted By: >>42515825

>>42515524
Only Ice, Fire, Bug and Flying are fucked by SR. It is blatantly a warning from the GF of "we don't want you here". Only a few freaks like G. Darmanitan are able to survive this selection. But if you want specific defects of the ice type, I can list them:
>There are few of the ice type and have been decreased in sw / sh
>They are strong against ground, but practically every ground learns rock type moves (stone edge style!)
>Few support moves(haze and...???), and the offensive ones boil down to Ice Beam or taking chances with Blizzard. They are similar to the Flying in this respect, but Flying has a lot of support moves.
>Hail is not bad, but it is an inferior sandstorm and with few pokemon that can take advantage of it.
>There are a lot of water, ground and rock pokemon, and the Ice are vulnerable to almost all of them. (Yes, even against ground).
>They cannot apply an advantage against grass, because the grass have many weaknesses and do not run well without the support of fire and sunny (and fire does not run because of SR).
>They are fragile and the few defensive suffer from SR.
>Many pokemon learn fighting type moves.
>Steel
>Stealth Rock
>Stealth Rock
>And Stealth Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:50:26 No.42515790 Report

Quoted By: >>42515825

>>42514537
Stealth Rocks didn't make Rock types good, why would Stealth Ice make Ice types good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:54:43 No.42515825 Report

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>>42515789
no need to read that wall post, the point is that SR shits on 4 types just because they are all incidentally weak to rock. I agree it should be retconned to be a no-type damage
>>42515790
well rock doesn't resist rock, ice does resist itself. but I don't want any more hazards in the game, fuck this shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 15:55:57 No.42515837 Report

Quoted By: >>42515866

>>42515752
They can be equal without being identical. It's the difference between the monotony of Rock-Paper-Scissors and the nuance of Terran-Protoss-Zerg. Buffed Hail would still be removed by other weathers and ignored by defensive Ice-types, bulky mons with recovery and Magic Guard / Overcoat. This is a way to make Ice types viable whilst adding whole new playstyles to the metagame. You put up with Drizzle, Megas, Z-Moves and Dynamax, I don't see how this is any worse. I honestly believe it's the best and most interesting buff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 16:00:43 No.42515866 Report

Quoted By: >>42516066

>>42515837
you want to make ice broken, simple as that. and not even because it is supposedly good, but because hail is stupidly op. it would be weather wars 2, and remove the weather + its setters and you still have all the existing issues ice has.
and in what way supposedly would forcing everyone using AT LEAST one ice type be good?
if you are unable to see how that would be terrible I don't know what to say anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 16:31:16 No.42516066 Report

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>>42515866
You're already "forced" to use a Steel-type, a bulky Water, a Fairy, a Defogger, a grounded Poison-type for Toxic Spikes, Water Absorb for Dracovish, an Earthquake-resist, Aegislash check, Stealth Rock, Rotom-H counter...

In reality, you're forced to use none of these things. It's just a matter of teambuilding weakening or strengthening certain matchups. The metagame has taken far more drastic changes, and it's a predictable overreaction to act like a buff that goes beyond the conservative type-chart changes would be disastrous. If you don't want the metagame to change, you shouldn't make any changes at all. If you want to substantively buff Ice, there are going to be changes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 16:37:41 No.42516112 Report

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>>42515181
You do realize Ice currently only resists itself, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 16:42:56 No.42516152 Report

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>>42514995
Wow you said 3 types and still missed the obvious fix. Make Ice resist fairy and voilá.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 16:44:34 No.42516160 Report

Quoted By: >>42516838

>>42514537
Logically it should resist grass, water and flying.
Maybe make Hail increase sp. def or def.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 17:57:53 No.42516718 Report

Quoted By:

>>42514537
Both of these ideas are pretty terrible. Just give it some resistances

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 17:59:00 No.42516726 Report

Quoted By: >>42516855

>>42515062
>>ice resists dragon
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 18:02:51 No.42516754 Report

Quoted By:

>>42515211
>>42515231
You’re still nerfing a bad type for no reason. Why do people think this is a good idea?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 18:09:23 No.42516812 Report

Quoted By:

>>42515625
Holy shit. The literal only good post in this thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 18:10:47 No.42516827 Report

Quoted By:

>>42515785
>>Neutral to rock
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 18:11:25 No.42516834 Report

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>>42514537
All you really need to do is give them relevant resists and buff some of their movepools. Fairy cucked them in terms of dragon slaying, but you can make them resist Ground, Flying, and (maybe) Water while simultaneously buffing Freeze Dry’s distribution to make offensive and defense Ice-types better. You can also have them all learn Water-type moves like how Fire-types learn Solarbeam and Water-types learn Ice Beam.

We end up with a type that resists a few good things and has a better movepool than before.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 18:12:02 No.42516838 Report

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>>42516160
>Logically it should resist grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 18:13:43 No.42516855 Report

Quoted By: >>42516890

>>42516726
Smogonbaby detected

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 18:18:29 No.42516890 Report

Quoted By:

>>42516855
Git gud

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 19:12:49 No.42517278 Report

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>>42515625
This is very reasonable, although I think water is the resist they should get, with scald/steam eruption having a new extra effect which makes it do neutral damage to ice types (although that probably just makes the water resist much more meaningless since most other water mons who don’t use scald have stone edge which just causes the limited conundrum of ground resistance again)

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jan 2020 19:28:58 No.42517396 Report

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>>42515392
> I think it's retarded that extreme hot resists it, but not extreme cold.
Use some imagination then? Fire is more spiritual

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