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Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:30:22 No.42520469 View View Reply Original Report

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>Ice now resists Water, Dragon, and Fairy
>Ice now SE against Fairy
>Poison now SE against Water
>Dragon now resisted by Fairy instead of the latter being immune
>Psychic now resists Steel and Poison
>Steel now SE against Dragon
>Bug now resists Steel

>Damp/Heat/Smooth/Icy Rock now make their respective weather last for 10 turns
>Introduce a "Psycho Rock" that increases the duration of trick/wonder room to 10 turns
>Buff Cloud Nine to completely erase any weather/terrain/room while the Cloud Nine user is on the field

There, I mostly fixed Pokemon's balance on a macro level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:31:22 No.42520479 Report

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>>42520469
>ice resisting anything. Make it beat fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:32:37 No.42520490 Report

Quoted By: >>42520613 >>42520887 >>42521488

Hmm, you seem to have forgotten one thing:
>Make grass weak to every type, give every type a resistance to grass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:39:12 No.42520543 Report

Quoted By: >>42520630

>>42520469
>make dragons shit
For what purpose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:48:52 No.42520613 Report

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>>42520490
Shut the fuck up Game Freak

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:51:08 No.42520630 Report

Quoted By: >>42520720 >>42521661

>>42520543
Dragons are already on the lower end of types. We just need to give big individual buffs to every weak Dragon type to compensate.

>Flygon goes from 100 speed/attack to 120 each
>Druddigon gets an evolution that looks like the dragon on the Welsh flag
>Kingdra gets Sheer Force
>Haxorus gets +10 speed
and so on

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:53:52 No.42520644 Report

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Normal cries in the distance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:55:15 No.42520658 Report

Quoted By: >>42520748

>>42520469
>10 turns of trick room

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:55:49 No.42520664 Report

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>Ice now resists Water and Dragon
>Scald is super effective against Ice types
>Psychic resists Fairy
>Fairy loses Bug resistance
>Grass resists Fairy
>Water resists fighting
>Water weak to poison
>all Indian and middle eastern npcs are retconned out
fixed it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:57:34 No.42520679 Report

Quoted By: >>42520687

>>42520469
>making every pokemon type averagely offensive and defensive
It's shit
It's perfectly ok for some types to be (good offensively, bad defensively)
(Bad defensively, good offensively)
(Good offensively, good defensively)
But no type should be bad at both. Also moves and the actual pokemon should be taken into consideration when balancing types and figuring out if it's shit or if the pokemon are shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:59:04 No.42520687 Report

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>>42520679
>It's perfectly ok for some types to be (good offensively, bad defensively)
Not when coverage exists. If Ice Beam got culled like Toxic/Knock Off, I'd agree with you, but as it is, Ice is practically useless while non-Ice types get Ice type coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 00:59:55 No.42520698 Report

Quoted By: >>42520717 >>42520822

>also Rocky Helmet needs to make mons immune to Rock type moves (in addition to its original effect) and Heavy Duty Boots needs to make mons immune to Ground type moves
there, now it's fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:00:23 No.42520703 Report

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it should be for the whole fight if the rock holding mon is in but once it's out it resets to 7-10 turns.

weather is ok now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:01:13 No.42520717 Report

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>>42520698
>Nerfing Rock when it's already bottom 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:01:38 No.42520720 Report

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>>42520630
How about we don’t do anything to dragon types? Why are we still on about dragon types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:03:05 No.42520730 Report

Quoted By: >>42520806

>>42520720
Removing Fairy and making Ice and Steel stronger against Dragon would be a good compromise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:05:00 No.42520748 Report

Quoted By: >>42520792

>>42520658
Except for Whimsicott, Klinklang, Malamar, and Aromatisse, every Trick Room setter is weak to Dark. Just take Trick Room away from them (except Malamar) and it'd be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:08:11 No.42520781 Report

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>>42520469
>>Ice now resists Dragon
>>Dragon now resisted by Fairy instead of the latter being immune
>>Steel now SE against Dragon
>>Psychic now resists Steel and Poison
>>Bug now resists Steel
None of these

>>Damp/Heat/Smooth/Icy Rock now make their respective weather last for 10 turns
Why
>>Introduce a "Psycho Rock" that increases the duration of trick/wonder room to 10 turns
Absolutely not. Trick Room is ridiculously good in VGC. GF knew what they were doing when they made this move
>>Buff Cloud Nine to completely erase any weather/terrain/room while the Cloud Nine user is on the field
Unnecessary. Just have Cloud Nine do what it usually does

I honestly hope this is bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:09:42 No.42520792 Report

Quoted By: >>42520818

>>42520748
>Except for Whimsicott, Klinklang, Malamar, and Aromatisse, every Trick Room setter is weak to Dark
And?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:10:59 No.42520806 Report

Quoted By: >>42520828

>>42520730
No it wouldn’t. There’s a reason GF added Fairy instead of doing that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:12:25 No.42520818 Report

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>>42520792
Just use knock off :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:12:55 No.42520822 Report

Quoted By: >>42520842

>>42520698
>Heavy Duty Boots needs to make mons immune to Ground type moves
Literally not needed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:13:27 No.42520828 Report

Quoted By: >>42520886

>>42520806
Fairy hurt Dragon a little too much while nerfing a bunch of other types that didn't need it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:14:58 No.42520842 Report

Quoted By: >>42520865 >>42520899 >>42521732 >>42522058

>>42520822
>Literally not needed
What are you going to do when Gen 9 introduces a Ground type Dracovish with a Ground type Fishious Rend x Thousand Arrows combo? It's going to destroy this entire game unless we heed my suggestion

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:17:48 No.42520865 Report

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>>42520842
Ban it to ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:18:06 No.42520868 Report

Quoted By: >>42520882

>>42520469
>>Psychic now resists Steel and Poison
>buff psychic/fairies
>nerf poison
>>Steel now SE against Dragon
>buff steel
>nerf dragon again
These ideas are terrible, so they're probably going to happen
The rest are okay but don't make any sense. Why does bug resist steel? Why does psychic resist poison? Etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:19:31 No.42520882 Report

Quoted By: >>42520918 >>42520944

>>42520868
How is it a Poison nerf when Poison is SE against Water? Psychic is already SE against Poison, why not make it resist Poison?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:19:50 No.42520886 Report

Quoted By: >>42520921

>>42520828
>Fairy hurt Dragon a little too much
It really didn’t

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:20:00 No.42520887 Report

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>>42520490
Nothing changed actually

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:21:03 No.42520899 Report

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>>42520842
Use a grass type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:23:30 No.42520918 Report

Quoted By: >>42520949

>>42520882
>Psychic is already SE against Poison, why not make it resist Poison?
Because Poison it a pretty underwhelming attacking type. Even with making it super effective against Water, it’s in no position to get any nerfs. Do you not know how to balance the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:24:09 No.42520921 Report

Quoted By: >>42520988

>>42520886
It absolutely did. Hydreigon went from being A/S-rank OU to being UU in one generation. Flygon, Goodra, Altaria, Druddigon, Haxorus, Kyurem, and pretty much every non-top-tier Dragon got dumpstered. Hell, all the Ubers Dragons fell to the bottom of the tier. Zekrom, Reshiram, Kyurem-W, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:26:21 No.42520943 Report

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>>42520469
Make Grass immune to Fairy.
Fairies are nature spirits and shouldn't be able to interfere with nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:26:26 No.42520944 Report

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>>42520882
It's a net gain but poison already struggles. Poison types barely do damage as it is. Nothing needs to resist them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:27:07 No.42520949 Report

Quoted By: >>42521024

>>42520918
Psychic is also a garbage type. Even if Psychic resisted Poison, Poison would be SE against 3 types, which would be pretty average offensively instead of just bad.

Also, Water is far better of a type than Psychic, and it's the most common type. It'd be an objective improvement

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:29:49 No.42520975 Report

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>>42520469
Glad /vp/ isn't in charge of balance. I only ever saw one good suggestion to balance Ice types in all my time of putting up with your guys' shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:31:40 No.42520988 Report

Quoted By: >>42521034

>>42520921
>Hydreigon went from being A/S-rank OU to being UU in one generation.
It was still good in OU, and is OU now
>Flygon, Goodra, Altaria, Druddigon, Haxorus, Kyurem, and pretty much every non-top-tier Dragon got dumpstered.
All of those Pokémon had other problems that led them there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:35:30 No.42521024 Report

Quoted By: >>42521054

>>42520949
>Psychic is also a garbage type
And?
>Poison would be SE against 3 types, which would be pretty average offensively instead of just bad.
No it wouldn’t. Now it can’t do shit to 6 types. Being super effective against water really wouldn’t do much.

Seeing you retards trying to balance the game makes me content with what we have right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:36:29 No.42521034 Report

Quoted By: >>42521068

>>42520988
>It was still good in OU
No it wasn't. That's why no one ever used it and it dropped to UU.
>It's OU now
Because an assload of Pokemon got culled because S/S are literal 2/10 games. Once the Tapus are back, it's back to BL, if not UU again

>All those had other problems
Yeah, they didn't have traits that could carry them despite Dragon's new frailty and offensive uselessness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:38:13 No.42521054 Report

Quoted By: >>42521095

>>42521024
You think you're smarter than you really are is your problem. It doesn't matter how many types resist one type if it's super effective against the best types in the game.

You could have a type resisted by 14 types if it was just SE against Fairy, Steel, Water, and Flying, it'd still be a good offensive type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:39:28 No.42521068 Report

Quoted By: >>42521105

>>42521034
>No it wasn't
Yes it was. Can you at least pretend you played competitive?
>Because an assload of Pokemon got culled because S/S are literal 2/10 games.
And? Clefable is literally one of the best Pokémon right now with plenty other Fairy types being good.
>Yeah, they didn't have traits that could carry them despite Dragon's new frailty and offensive uselessness.
So you admit that Fairy wasn’t the main problem? Cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:42:17 No.42521095 Report

Quoted By: >>42521123

>>42521054
>It doesn't matter how many types resist one type if it's super effective against the best types in the game.
Yes it does. Grass is super effective against Water AND Ground and is still a shit offensive type
>You could have a type resisted by 14 types if it was just SE against Fairy, Steel, Water, and Flying, it'd still be a good offensive type.
No it wouldn’t lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:43:54 No.42521105 Report

Quoted By: >>42521206

>>42521068
>Yes it was
No it wasn't. In Gen 6 it was still somewhat usable, but even Azumarill was enough to keep it in check, let alone the dominance of Clefable causing it to be ditched in favor of better Dragons, namely Garchomp. It had even less viability and usage than Dragonite

>Clefable is literally one of the best Pokemon right now
Hydreigon also can easily kill the other S-rank, Corviknight. Tapus are going to drop it solo

>So you admit that Fairy wasn't the main problem?
It actually was. The non-OP Dragon-types were balanced before Fairy came out and turned out to be the strongest type in the game. Flygon wasn't rampaging through UU, but it definitely wasn't bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:45:40 No.42521123 Report

Quoted By: >>42521176 >>42521247 >>42521334

>>42521095
Ground is a bad defensive type, and Grass is actually considered a good offensive type because it deals with a lot of prominent Water types.

>No it wouldn’t lol
Yes it absolutely would.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:50:10 No.42521176 Report

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>>42521123
>Yes it absolutely would.
it wouldn't because it would never get to use that super effective property since dual types exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:53:26 No.42521206 Report

Quoted By: >>42521227 >>42521316

>>42521105
>No it wasn't.
Yes it was. Obviously Fairy types were an issue, but it was still a good Pokémon. You have no idea what you’re talking about
>Hydreigon also can easily kill the other S-rank, Corviknight. Tapus are going to drop it solo
I don’t see what your point is
>It actually was
It actually wasn’t

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:55:23 No.42521227 Report

Quoted By: >>42521258

>>42521206
>It actually wasn’t
nice argument faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:56:31 No.42521247 Report

Quoted By: >>42521300

>>42521123
>Ground is a bad defensive type
Wow you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s honestly impressive
>Grass is actually considered a good offensive type
No it’s not. I’ve played Smogon, Battle Spot and VGC and most people there think that it’s not a good offensive type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:57:41 No.42521258 Report

Quoted By: >>42521271

>>42521227
>He actually thought he made an argument
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 01:59:27 No.42521271 Report

Quoted By: >>42521438

>>42521258
>he thought I was calling him out for a bad argument and not a lack of one
topkek

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:02:50 No.42521300 Report

Quoted By: >>42521452

>>42521247
t. 1200-elo "I've played Smogon" shitter

Ground is a bad defensive type.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:04:30 No.42521316 Report

Quoted By: >>42521339 >>42521460

>>42521206
Fuck you for making go through usage stats history to dunk on you and your retarded assertions, Fairy-fag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:06:16 No.42521334 Report

Quoted By: >>42521356

>>42521123
>Ground is a bad defensive type
Being immune to Electric-type moves and resisting Rock is huge. Being weak to Grass is negligible. Being weak to Water is bad, but the other resistances are worth it. I would definitely not call it bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:06:42 No.42521339 Report

Quoted By: >>42521460

>>42521316
And I just went through all of Gen 6 OU (1500 and 1850 ratings). Hydreigon hovered between 100th and 60th, getting consistently outperformed by every other psuedo, except for Metagross and Goodra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:08:24 No.42521356 Report

Quoted By: >>42521382 >>42521471

>>42521334
Being weak to Water and Ice is what makes it bad. Yeah, it has an immunity to Electric, but Electric is a mediocre offensive type anyways, and a lot of Pokemon that pack Electric type moves also pack Ice type moves thanks to the elemental punches.

Also, Water is everywhere, and Poison is nonexistent offensively, so it essentially only exists to resist Rock and be immune to Electric.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:12:18 No.42521382 Report

Quoted By: >>42521417

>>42521356
Electric is a pretty powerful offensive type thanks to dragons being kicked in the dick. Regardless, Ice-types are not really the issue. Water-types are more problematic but they carry both moves anyway so the weakness isn't a huge deal. It boils down to being weak to Water while having a great resistance and an immunity.
>a lot of Pokemon that pack Electric type moves also pack Ice type moves thanks to the elemental punches.
I can't think of any off the top of my head beyond Koko. Got any examples?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:17:15 No.42521417 Report

Quoted By: >>42521430

>>42521382
Any Fighting type that carries one elemental punch carries them all. Conkeldurr frequently switches between them depending on the meta. More Gliscor/Lando = more Ice Punch, more Gyarados and Corviknight = more Thunder Punch, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:19:27 No.42521430 Report

Quoted By: >>42522042

>>42521417
One or the other, but not both?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:20:20 No.42521438 Report

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>>42521271
>He still thinks he made an argument
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:21:10 No.42521447 Report

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>>42520469
>Poison now SE against Water
makes my giganigga empoleon better so sure why not

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:21:32 No.42521452 Report

Quoted By: >>42521478

>>42521300
>He actually thinks that’s a bad defensive type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:22:35 No.42521460 Report

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>>42521316
>>42521339
>Missing the point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:23:47 No.42521471 Report

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>>42521356
>Being weak to Water and Ice is what makes it bad
No it doesn’t. You clearly have no idea what makes a type good or bad defensively

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:24:56 No.42521478 Report

Quoted By: >>42521564

>>42521452
>resists the worthless poison type
>resists the okay rock type
>nulls the shit electric type
>weak to fucking water
Damn how can anyone break through the impenetrable wall

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:26:48 No.42521488 Report

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>>42520490
>Make poison weak to every type
ftfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:35:20 No.42521564 Report

Quoted By: >>42521890

>>42521478
>He still thinks that makes Ground a bad defensive type.
Just so you know, Hippowdon has been good in OU since its debut, with its lowest point arguably being gen 6. I’d ask you to admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about, but you probably wouldn’t even register that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:46:50 No.42521653 Report

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>>42520469
Thank God you don't work in video games, you'd kill any company that dares associate with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:47:53 No.42521661 Report

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>>42520630
>Kingdra gets sheer force
Still outclassed by critdra

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 02:58:29 No.42521732 Report

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>>42520842
Buff a shit item to deal with that instead of an already good one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 03:26:30 No.42521890 Report

Quoted By: >>42522034

>>42521564
Because Hippowdon is beefy as fuck and had Toxic/Slack Off/Whirlwind to be a good phazer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 03:43:46 No.42522034 Report

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>>42521890
And because of its Ground typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 03:45:43 No.42522042 Report

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>>42521430
entirely dependent on the set and a lot of ground-types don't even care because STAB 100 bp moves will do the same damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 03:47:52 No.42522058 Report

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>>42520842
>Pokemon is floating on its Air Balloon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Jan 2020 04:05:24 No.42522197 Report

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>>42520469
>nerfing poison and steel

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