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Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 13:36:10 No.42547551 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>42547571 >>42547574 >>42547608 >>42547740 >>42547747 >>42547819 >>42548408 >>42548424 >>42550525 >>42550673

>SE against Fairy
>Resists water
>Immune to Electric

There I fixed it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 13:39:13 No.42547571 Report

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>>42547551
Imo immunity is a bit too much, resistance should do fine

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 13:39:34 No.42547574 Report

Quoted By: >>42548936

>>42547551
>>Immune to Electric
huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 13:44:35 No.42547608 Report

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>>42547551
Anon, take a look at the Ice type roster.
They're mostly shit.
Your changes would only be noticeable on Weavile and Cloyster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 13:46:46 No.42547626 Report

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Make ice resist fairy & ground, make bug neutral to fairy
you're welcome

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 13:59:41 No.42547740 Report

Quoted By: >>42547755

>>42547551
it should resist grass and water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 14:00:35 No.42547747 Report

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>>42547551
>Any offensive ice buff
Shit
>>Immune to Electric
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 14:01:45 No.42547755 Report

Quoted By: >>42547761

>>42547740
>it should resist grass
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 14:02:33 No.42547761 Report

Quoted By: >>42547787

>>42547755
why not

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 14:05:18 No.42547787 Report

Quoted By: >>42547803

>>42547761
At the risk of this post being bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 14:07:40 No.42547803 Report

Quoted By: >>42547890

>>42547787
haha get fucked grass
alright I'll reconsider because I forgot grass sucked already
How about if the whole water vs ice stuff was different? Ice should resist water but ice should be neutral against water. Freeze dry gets 10+ base power. How's that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 14:10:49 No.42547819 Report

Quoted By: >>42550501 >>42550673

>>42547551

> SE against fairy
Ok.
> Resist water.
Ehhh, i mean - one could make an argument for Ice taking SE from water because if you blast water that is above freezing point on ice it will melt but whatever.
> Immune to Electric
How and why? It does not make any sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 14:22:53 No.42547890 Report

Quoted By: >>42547904

>>42547803
>Ice should resist water but ice should be neutral against water
That doesn’t really make sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 14:25:30 No.42547904 Report

Quoted By: >>42548222

>>42547890
I'll try to do a better job at explaining it, so like
ice attack vs water Pokemon = neutral
water attack vs ice Pokemon = resisted

I think ice should resist something and I guess water should be that something, but also it doesn't make too much sense, but I don't think anything else fits well. Adding another type for ice to be super effective against would also be bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 15:15:57 No.42548222 Report

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>>42547904
I know what you mean. Still doesn’t make sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 15:39:39 No.42548408 Report

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>>42547551
>making a bunch of water types immune to Electric

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 15:40:44 No.42548424 Report

Quoted By: >>42548709

>>42547551
I don't think the electric immunity makes any sense but being SE against fairy and resisting water are great buffs

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 15:42:50 No.42548452 Report

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Ice now resists Ground and Flying. That's it. No need to change it offensively, just make it better defensively so all those slow defensive Ice-types actually have a niche.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 16:05:09 No.42548709 Report

Quoted By: >>42548756 >>42548900

>>42548424
>SE against fairy
>Great buff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 16:09:00 No.42548756 Report

Quoted By: >>42549036 >>42549947

>>42548709
He's right though, Fairy is one of the most dominant types in the meta alongside Steel, Water, and maybe Flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 16:19:58 No.42548900 Report

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>>42548709
I will take anything to make Togekiss less horseshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 16:22:52 No.42548936 Report

Quoted By: >>42548964

>>42547574
its true. ice is an extremely poor conductor, as much as ground.

water does crazy, crazy shit when it phase shifts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 16:24:57 No.42548964 Report

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>>42548936
okay but mechanically it's absurd because all it will do is make Cloyster annoying as fuck
Electric is probably the most balanced type and really does not need to be touched.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 16:29:51 No.42549036 Report

Quoted By: >>42550182

>>42548756
Ok but it’s not a good buff to ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 17:48:17 No.42549947 Report

Quoted By: >>42550164 >>42550182

>>42548756
That's still not a buff to ice types, just to anything that learns an ice-type attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:08:35 No.42550164 Report

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>>42549947
The main reason so many teams run an ice coverage move instead of having an ice mon is because ice is a shit type.
Buffing it by giving it some resistances and removing some of the resistances against it might change that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:09:55 No.42550182 Report

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>>42549947
>>42549036
If you give Ice some resistances then it will be worth running an Ice mon for STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:12:45 No.42550203 Report

Quoted By: >>42550220 >>42551521

>Immune to Ice
>Resists Water and Flying
>Hail doubles Defense of Ice types
There, NOW it's fixed while still keeping the theme of the type being a weaker defensive one. A lot of suggested ice changes either nerf types that don't need nerfs, or are extremely out there. Why would Fairy need to be weak to Ice? It makes no logical sense, and Ice doesn't need more types to be SE against, that's not the problem with Ice. Ice's problem is defensively it's almost always a negative with STAB being the only reason to ever want it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:15:23 No.42550220 Report

Quoted By: >>42550229

>>42550203
>It makes no logical sense
To be fair neither does Ice resisting Water. Water's specific heat is just shy of twice ice's, so given equal quantities of each the ice will warm up faster than the water cools and will melt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:17:23 No.42550229 Report

Quoted By: >>42550232

>>42550220
Ice is made of water, or alternatively water is just heated up ice, so it doesn't phase it too much. Easy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:17:55 No.42550232 Report

Quoted By: >>42550240

>>42550229
>so it doesn't phase it too much
But that's factually not true. Add ice to a glass of water and the ice will melt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:18:57 No.42550240 Report

Quoted By: >>42550270 >>42550285

>>42550232
You're being pedantic and you know it.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:23:10 No.42550270 Report

Quoted By: >>42550298

>>42550240
Ironic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:24:46 No.42550285 Report

Quoted By: >>42550673

>>42550240
Not really. Water overwhelms Ice due to the fundamental physics of temperature exchange. Water resisting Ice and hitting Ice neutrally makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:26:24 No.42550298 Report

Quoted By: >>42550450

>>42550270
>Type matchups should make logical sense so they're easy to memorize. Grass beats Water, Water beats Fire, and Fire beats Grass.
>"Ummm, ackshually water would be able to drown plants because if a plant has too much water it'll drown and overdose. Also technically if fire is super hot it can vaporize water before it ever reaches them and also why is water weak to electric it's actually a poor conductor, and
See Anon there's a difference

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:45:40 No.42550450 Report

Quoted By: >>42550544

>>42550298
Ok but no one said that. What’s your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:49:49 No.42550501 Report

Quoted By: >>42550534 >>42550673

>>42547819
Ice is a poor conductor as the Ions aren’t moving around as freely as they would.

But make it a resist instead and make Electric super effective on Fairy, since Electric doesn’t need a nerf that hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:52:45 No.42550525 Report

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>>42547551
>buffing ice offensively
don't do this, all it does is make everything else better
the only way to make ice-types specifically better is to give them more valuable resistances

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:53:38 No.42550534 Report

Quoted By: >>42550551 >>42550554

>>42550501
>make Electric super effective on Fairy
Ok how would this make sense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:54:36 No.42550544 Report

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>>42550450
His point is that you are a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:55:03 No.42550551 Report

Quoted By: >>42551146

>>42550534
Nothing about fairy makes sense.
Why does it resist bug? Why does fire resist it? How the fuck is it immune to dragon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 18:55:13 No.42550554 Report

Quoted By: >>42551157 >>42551182 >>42551193

>>42550534
Same reason why fairy is weak to steel.
Electric is mostly made up of manmade stuff.
Technology > Fairy tale creatures or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:05:50 No.42550673 Report

Quoted By: >>42551559

>>42547551
>Your 10yo nephew comes to your office.
>He's holding his new "Nintendo Blast NX" and "Pokémon Nut" on his hands.
>Hey uncle anon, mom told me you are a sperg that still plays Pokémon to this day. Do you know why is Water weak against Ice?
>>42547819
Well, you see. One could make an argument for Ice taking super effective hits from water because if you blast water that is above freezing point on ice it will melt.
>That makes no sense!
>>42550285
>Not really. Water overwhelms Ice due to the fundamental physics of temperature exchange. Water resisting Ice and hitting Ice neutrally makes sense.
>Uhhh... okay. But what about Ice being immune of electric? Isn't Ice just frozen water?
>>42550501
>In reality, Ice is a poor conductor as the Ions aren’t moving around as freely as they would.
>Yikes, no wonder I don't have a cousin yet
>Fuck off kid or I'll make you cosplay as the Eevee girl from the 2019 game Pokémon Swooshi (yes, that one our lord and savior Joe Merrick, webmaster of Serebii.net, leaked for us mere mortals) and then molest you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:15:26 No.42550769 Report

Quoted By: >>42551198 >>42551209

Super Effective changes:
>Electric is se against Fairy
>Poison is se against Water
>Scald specifically is se against Ice
>Acid, Acid Spray, and Apple Acid are se on Steel
>Pokemon with “dumb abilities” are weak to Psychic
Neutrality changes:
>Bug is neutral to Fairy
>Grass, Psychic, and Rock are now neutral to Steel
>Explosion and Self-Destruct are also neutral to Steel
Resistance/Immunity changes:
>Ice is resistant to Electric, Poison, and Ground
>Psychic is resistant to Fairy
>Fighting is resistant to Ground
>Grass is resistant to Rock
>Normal and Pokemon with “smart abilities” is immune to Psychic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:49:08 No.42551146 Report

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>>42550551
>Why does it resist bug?
Bugs are submissive and are often controlled by fairies
>Why does fire resist it?
Fire destroys nature, which wards off fairies in turn
>How the fuck is it immune to dragon?
They beat dragons in European folklore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:50:23 No.42551157 Report

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>>42550554
No it’s not? Do you even know what you’re talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:52:26 No.42551182 Report

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>>42550554
That's not why Fairy is weak to Steel dumbass. It's because the fey get sick from iron in mythology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:53:18 No.42551193 Report

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>>42550554
>Technology > Fairy tale creatures or something.
yikes, this is embarrassing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:53:51 No.42551198 Report

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>>42550769
Man I'm glad you aren't in charge of Pokemon. These changes are horrendous

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:54:29 No.42551209 Report

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>>42550769
>>Electric is se against Fairy
Makes no sense
>>Poison is se against Water
Also doesn’t make a whole lot of sense
>>Scald specifically is se against Ice
The most retarded decision I’ve ever seen
>>Ice is resistant to Electric, Poison
Neither of which are in any position to get offensive nerfs
>>Fighting is resistant to Ground
Why
>>Normal and Pokemon with “smart abilities” is immune to Psychic
That sounds fucking retarded. Psychic shouldn’t be getting any nerfs either

I’m really glad you fucks don’t work for Game Freak

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:55:03 No.42551215 Report

Quoted By: >>42551226

Ice resists Electric
Steel is weak to Electric.
Fairy no longer resists Bug

I fixed the type chart

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:55:47 No.42551226 Report

Quoted By: >>42551273 >>42551342

>>42551215
Make Fairy weak to Bug because bugs are gross and gross beats cute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:57:00 No.42551246 Report

Quoted By: >>42551291 >>42551425

Ice now resists Ice, Ground, Flying, and Dragon. There, now it's not garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 19:59:03 No.42551273 Report

Quoted By: >>42551435

>>42551226
Makes literally no sense

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:00:12 No.42551291 Report

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>>42551246
>Ice resists Dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:04:33 No.42551342 Report

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>>42551226
I wanted this too but they'd never switch a resistance to a SE.
Fuck I hate fairies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:04:47 No.42551344 Report

Quoted By: >>42551413

Ice immune to Water
Ice resist Rock
Fairy now weak to Rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:11:20 No.42551413 Report

Quoted By: >>42551498

>>42551344
Why am I repeatedly reminded that /vp/ sucks at balance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:12:11 No.42551425 Report

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>>42551246
>Ice is now one of the best defensive types in addition to being the best offensive type
yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:13:13 No.42551435 Report

Quoted By: >>42551632

>>42551273
Fairies are girly cutemons
Bugs are gross creepy crawlies
What is not to understand?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:19:08 No.42551498 Report

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>>42551413
Yeah my shit is biased because those are my least favorite types.

Honestly a water resist and making it neutral to rock would help a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:20:51 No.42551521 Report

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>>42550203
>Why would Fairy need to be weak to Ice?
Because fuck Fairy, that's why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:23:02 No.42551544 Report

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ice is already great offensively, the thing is ice types get cucked by water types who run ice coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:24:22 No.42551559 Report

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>>42550673
Cringe and boring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Jan 2020 20:29:44 No.42551632 Report

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>>42551435
Do you not know why Fairy resists Bug?

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