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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:23:36 No.42675347 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>42675352 >>42675456 >>42675488 >>42675688 >>42675732 >>42675747 >>42675925 >>42676563 >>42676816 >>42676820

no gimmicks > dynamax >> z-moves > megashit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:24:33 No.42675352 Report

Quoted By: >>42675641 >>42675679 >>42675843 >>42678137

>>42675347
Gimmicks are necessary or stallshit runs rampant

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:29:08 No.42675385 Report

Quoted By: >>42675456 >>42675677 >>42675719 >>42675824

Dynamax is garbage big red win button that only wojak shitters and macro fags would like unironically. I'd take doughnut steel OCs and autistic dancing over upscaled pokemon with shit animations any day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:38:40 No.42675456 Report

Quoted By: >>42675491

>>42675347
>that order
Megas are just a way to retcon a select few to a new power level but also in doing so not permit someone to load their team with retcons. Z moves give you the chance to turn something inconsistent into something consistent by trading your item slot (turn FP to big fight hit so you get coverage w/o the drawback). Dynamax is just GF wanting to make Pokemon into kaiju battles and doing a shit job of it. Health bump and MOAR DMG is dumb, esp since the counter is mirroring. The others didn't need counters and opened possibilities whereas Dynamax forces everyone to run it or get whomped. You've got bad opinions and that's that. As >>42675385 said, only wojaks would do that ordering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:41:09 No.42675488 Report

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>>42675347
post elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:41:31 No.42675491 Report

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>>42675456
>Megas are just a way to retcon a select few to a new power level but also in doing so not permit someone to load their team with retcons
Which is fucking retarded because Megas aren't even balanced with themselves. Try again, Megatard.

>Z moves give you the chance to turn something inconsistent into something consistent
How is this a good thing? The entire point of having different moves is that they have advantages and disadvantages. Removing that just to have UNGA BUNGA NUKE is retarded.

>Dynamax is just GF wanting to make Pokemon into kaiju battles
No, it's GF trying to add depth to the game by introducing something new that isn't just more "hurr slap item on thing" garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:53:32 No.42675599 Report

Quoted By: >>42675689

>>42675491
>The entire point of having different moves is that they have advantages and disadvantages.
Z moves do have advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that they're crazy strong. The disadvantage is that you can only use one per battle.
Also, how is one unga bunga nuke bad, but three unga bunga nukes without the need to plan ahead or sacrifice an item slot good?

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:58:44 No.42675641 Report

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>>42675352
>gimmicks are necessary or stallshit runs rampant

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 21:58:54 No.42675643 Report

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>playing a kid's series
>crying about the kid-focused gameplay additions
yikes

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:03:05 No.42675677 Report

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>>42675385
>dynamax is garbage big red won button that only wojak shitters and macro fags would like unironically

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:03:30 No.42675679 Report

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>>42675352
...Or you could just unban things.

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:04:13 No.42675688 Report

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>>42675347
I still remember how Dyna and Gigantamax were being hyped up during pre-release and all the shills saying that it'll be the best gimmick they had introduced so far and not just Z-move with a different coat of paint. I'm glad every single one of you got BTFO'd.

And please, keep seething about Megas. I can't wait until next gen comes and brings its flavour of cancer and brainded drones will repeat the same song and rhythm.

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:04:33 No.42675689 Report

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>>42675599
>but three unga bunga nukes
Yeah bro, look at these unga bunga nukes!

Brando

Brando Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:07:55 No.42675719 Report

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>>42675385
Have you never went up agaisnt a mega salamance or a rayquaza? Thats a big win button, not only that buts it predictable that they'll mega evolve aswell with dynamaxxing you can stall them out for 3 turns if you play your cards right and hit them hard, but megas are just rape apes most of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:09:14 No.42675732 Report

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>>42675347
BASED!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:10:50 No.42675747 Report

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>>42675347
Megas are functionally just new pokemon.
They don't fundamentally change the way the game is played, because you don't play differently against a mega than you do any other pokemon.
Z moves are just gems but more bullshit. They shoulda been a bit less strong or limited to only STAB moves or something. The support Z moves are really cool though.
Dynamax is just shit. Makes setup braindead and revenge killing stuff a coinflip.

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:18:47 No.42675824 Report

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>>42675385
Git gud

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:19:50 No.42675833 Report

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>>42675641

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:21:33 No.42675843 Report

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>>42675352
>I dont 2HKO my opponents so it is STALL

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:24:09 No.42675857 Report

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>>42675833
Yeah didn't look at your post have sex

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:31:34 No.42675925 Report

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>>42675347
Here's the real list
Mega Evolution > Z-Moves > no gimmicks > Dynamax

Inflation as a mechanic is the worst thing to happen to Pokemon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:39:32 No.42675993 Report

Quoted By: >>42676005 >>42676007 >>42676061 >>42676626

Why are people so vocally defensive of Dyna/Gigamax forms? I assume these people are only defending said gimmick due to new toy syndrome, and they'll be the same people next generation wanking off the newest temporary gimmick. I don't understand it regardless, because GF is going to continue pumping out the same rehashed gimmicks from now on, while throwing away the old gimmicks, but okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:40:52 No.42676005 Report

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>>42675993
The only gimmick they seemingly want to keep around permanently, is looking to be the Regional Forms. They're easily one of the better new features to have been conceived, and aren't temporary trash like the generational super forms are, so I want them to focus on regionals more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:41:26 No.42676007 Report

Quoted By: >>42676087

>>42675993
They just like it better because of the autistic wojak meme in the OP and because muh fanfic meta banned it. Quite literally the only reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:48:50 No.42676061 Report

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>>42675993
Z-Moves were arguably the least inspired, so I'm fine with them being forgotten. Megas on the other hand, could have been great if they focused on giving them to Pokemon that actually needed them. Either that, or simply give shitmon new regional evolutions, like Cursola for example, but eh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 22:52:56 No.42676087 Report

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>>42676007
>because of the autistic wojak meme in the OP
Surely nobody is so simpleminded that they can be swayed by a wojak meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 23:52:04 No.42676554 Report

Quoted By: >>42676639

>>42675843
>I run mostly fully defensive pokemon with recovery that chip damage but akchually that's not stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 23:53:30 No.42676563 Report

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>>42675347

Megas > Dynamax > Z-Moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 23:57:30 No.42676609 Report

Quoted By: >>42676661

>>42675689
Max Knuckle and Max Ooze are the only Max moves below 100 BP, and they raise you Atk/SpA respectively.
And even without the boost, the 3 Max Knuckle hits will do way more damage than any Z-move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Feb 2020 23:59:26 No.42676626 Report

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>>42675993
It’s because they can’t get past FerroPex without it.
It seriously is the reason.
100% of people who defend Dynamax are kids that can’t break past defensive core.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:00:46 No.42676639 Report

Quoted By: >>42677689

>>42676554
Well, yeah. Not all teams that run defensive Pokémon is stall. What’s the issue here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:01:19 No.42676643 Report

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>>42675833
Do retards actually think every single game looks like this? It's like posting a random early-game forfeit and saying every game is at best 5 turns long.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:03:29 No.42676661 Report

Quoted By: >>42676754 >>42676833 >>42679323

>>42676609
>using a move over 3 turns will do more damage than using a move over 1 turn!

wow you’re right anon silly me I should really just be using ember instead of flamethrower since ember does 120 damage in 3 turns while flamethrower only does 90 in 1 turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:03:57 No.42676668 Report

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>>42676643
Yes.
That’s been how the world is like since social media.
People only accept evidence for things they believe in, only need 1 cherry picked example to justify it, and then blow it out of proportions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:15:24 No.42676754 Report

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>>42676661
>Implying Ember boosts your stats
>Implying Ember sets weather and terrain
>Implying Ember makes you have more HP than Blissey
>Implying Ember makes your moves bypass protect and detect
>Implying Ember makes you immune to Flinching
>Implying Ember makes you immune to Encore
>Implying Ember makes you immune to Weight based moves
>Implying there are no variations of Ember that have as much power as Boomburst and Close Combat, with the drawbacks being guaranteed affects that benefit the user
>Implying Ember can be used by every Pokemon
>Implying Flamethrower requires its own held item to be used
>Implying Flamethrower can only be used once per game
>Implying Flamethrower loses its secondary effect when used by an ordinary Pokemon
Anon, it’s time for you to stop being so dishonest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:21:41 No.42676816 Report

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>>42675347
imo Z-Moves are better than Dynamax

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:22:14 No.42676820 Report

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>>42675347
Good taste, would like to have a VGC meta without any extra crap sometime in the future for a change..also no legends or even pseudos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:24:11 No.42676833 Report

Quoted By: >>42676938

>>42676661
Well, yeah. I don’t know why people don’t do this more

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 00:33:32 No.42676938 Report

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>>42676833
switching, recovery, not killing your opponent fast enough to avoid being hit back
of course that post is being disingenuous (as evidenced by the wojak image) so who cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 01:53:51 No.42677689 Report

Quoted By: >>42677722 >>42677803 >>42678087

>>42676639
What do you think stall is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 01:57:26 No.42677722 Report

Quoted By: >>42677800

>>42677689
You remember the infamous mega sableye dugtrio team last gen?
That's stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:05:33 No.42677800 Report

Quoted By: >>42677815

>>42677722
Is that the only thing you'd consider to be stall, or would you say shit like ferropex+corsola cores are also stall?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:05:40 No.42677803 Report

Quoted By: >>42677858

>>42677689
What do YOU think a stall team is? It seems like you deem any team with a defensive Pokémon stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:07:20 No.42677815 Report

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>>42677800
A defensive core isn't stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:11:41 No.42677858 Report

Quoted By: >>42677881

>>42677803
A team with a defensive mon isn't stall, but a team with only defensive mons that only deal chip damage is stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:13:45 No.42677881 Report

Quoted By: >>42678021

>>42677858
hey now stall can have trappers (one of dugtrio/gothitelle/tyranitar/weavile) but that's pretty much it in terms of offensive presence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:29:00 No.42678021 Report

Quoted By: >>42678112

>>42677881
The idea stall can’t have any offensive Pokemon to remove/force out threats is exclusively a /vp/ shitter opinion, your team strategy is not defined by a single Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:37:33 No.42678087 Report

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>>42677689
A teams which goal in the game is to wear down the opponents.
The only offensive Pokemon on Stall exists purely to just trap and kill a threat to Stall, and nothing else.
Simply having a defensive core doesn’t make a team a stall team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:40:46 No.42678112 Report

Quoted By: >>42679280

>>42678021
if it's got offensive pokemon besides trappers it's pushing into semistall territory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:43:29 No.42678137 Report

Quoted By: >>42678194

>>42675352
Like in Gen 4/5 where there were no gimmicks but stall was big right and not hyper offense right huh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 02:51:52 No.42678194 Report

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>>42678137
hyper offense is pretty mediocre in gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 05:01:24 No.42679280 Report

Quoted By: >>42679374

>>42678112
that’s called balance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 05:05:38 No.42679323 Report

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>>42676661
You are so fucking retarded it's unreal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Feb 2020 05:10:36 No.42679374 Report

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>>42679280
balance is... well balanced. semistall is exactly what it sounds like. It's the bulky offense to stall's hyper offense.
semistall has always been the most rare playstyle though.
People either go full stall or balance more often than not.

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