>>42679579>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405722316301177skimming this paper, it seems to be an analysis of the physical properties of dolphin "speech" followed by some assumptions about a hypothetical dolphin language based on their ability to understand commands from human trainers
there does not appear to be any actual analysis of the dolphin "sentences" or any attempt at working out the semantics to figure out if they're actually saying anything
correct me if i'm wrong
that said, it did have the list of traits for the definition of language that i was looking for earlier, specifically
>Arbitrariness, Discreteness, Displacement, Productivityand do note that bee dancing misses some of those traits, most notably Arbitrariness
>https://www.pnas.org/content/104/19/8184again, just skimming, but this looks like a study on whether gestural communication is more flexible than facial and vocal communication due to not being tied directly to specific emotional states
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1FY5kL_zXUdid you even watch this? it outright said that animals do not have language
it also said that dolphin communication has no grammar, which is an important question the paper you linked did not bother to address
>you gave a definition of language that never insisted that it be open-endedyou're right, that was a bad definition i copy-pasted from wikipedia since i was lazy
a better definition is given in the video you linked, though i'd also add arbitrariness - the symbols involved can't be hard-wired into a species's brain
>the experts who unambiguously say animals have language can be found in the sources I gave youno they can't lol
