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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:04:16 No.42709720 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>42709749 >>42710021 >>42710836 >>42711222 >>42713460

>Introduce a Pokemon that can spam a 170bp water move
>Powercreep it immediately one gen later with a Pokemon that can spam a 255bp water move, is faster, and has a better typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:06:22 No.42709739 Report

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Waterchads can't stop winning

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:07:28 No.42709749 Report

Quoted By: >>42709770 >>42709786 >>42710947 >>42713060 >>42713300

>>42709720
If Water Bubble was on almost any other water type it would be broken as fuck, why is Araquanid not very good if it has such a fantastic ability?

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:09:54 No.42709770 Report

Quoted By: >>42709792 >>42709865 >>42710154 >>42710393

>>42709749

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:11:26 No.42709786 Report

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>>42709749
it's good in ou.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:12:03 No.42709792 Report

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>>42709770
Oh holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:19:22 No.42709865 Report

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>>42709770
woah

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:37:04 No.42710021 Report

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>>42709720
No need to compare the two. Araquanid can learn sticky web and rain dance.
Instead of being insecure, it should help usher in the next generation of OP water move spammers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:50:13 No.42710154 Report

Quoted By: >>42710159 >>42710177 >>42710347 >>42710942 >>42713070

>>42709770
But that’s good. Why doesn’t based water spider see more use? He has valuable utility, good bulk and hits like a nuke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:50:59 No.42710159 Report

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>>42710154
slow bug type

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:53:04 No.42710177 Report

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>>42710154
It is a viable Pokemon in OU but has competition as a web setter with Ribombee, Shuckle, and Smeargle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 03:58:30 No.42710236 Report

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>>42710177
>Smeargle
Uhhh, about that...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 04:09:09 No.42710315 Report

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>>42710177
Just Ribombee. Unless you’re talking about Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 04:14:30 No.42710347 Report

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>>42710154
for me it was him losing magic coat gen 8 F

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 04:16:59 No.42710367 Report

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>>42710315
Shuckle is more common than Araquinid.
Smeargle rose to OU last gen when webs got really big but fell off hard later on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 04:20:54 No.42710393 Report

Quoted By: >>42710613 >>42713321

>>42709770
What are you trying to prove with this image?

It's tanky as fuck and hits like a nuke (with water moves). It also can't be burned.

Its speed sucks, but 68/92/132 defenses are nothing to scoff at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 04:29:00 No.42710451 Report

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>>42710367
Shuckle is shit
>Smeargle rose to OU last gen when webs got really big but fell off hard later on
So why mention it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 04:51:21 No.42710613 Report

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>>42710393

>tanky as fuck
>68/92/132 defenses are nothing to scoff at

genuine retard detected

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 04:58:26 No.42710668 Report

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>>42710613
That's a very high special defense at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 04:59:43 No.42710673 Report

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>>42710613
Random calc I remember from last gen is it lives Koko Thunderbolt.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:15:14 No.42710786 Report

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>>42710451
>Shuckle is shit
Take that back.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:18:29 No.42710825 Report

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>>42710786
Make me faggot

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:19:42 No.42710836 Report

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>>42709720

At l-l-least i have sticky webs...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:20:21 No.42710845 Report

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>>42710613
>Thise defenses aren't tanky
>132 spdef
>92 defense
>even bulkier thanks to water bubble
>water typing in itself is a good defensive typing

Are you baiting for (you)'s?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:29:14 No.42710894 Report

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>>42710825
>infestation to prevent switches while setting up
>power split to gimp the opponent's offenses
>sticky webs
>sneaky pebbles
>survive long enough to do all of this because of god tier defenses
>switch in and the opponent either stays in with nearly halved offenses, or switches and gets slowed down and has focus sash/sturdy broken
>get a turn to set up either way
Shuckle is the best sweeper partner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:36:43 No.42710942 Report

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>>42710154
the spooder is very good in VGC format
he's basically Trick Room Dracovish and specially bulky, and a great dynamax sweeper

Water Bubble boosts Max Geyser and adds stab, so Max Geyser is a base 390 attack move ( (130*2) * 1.5 ), BEFORE RAIN BOOST. After rain is set, it's 585 base. Araquanid's attack stat is just 70 however, not amazing but with investment he can sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:37:27 No.42710947 Report

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>>42709749
Very slow and with no reliable recovery means it gets worn down easily.
Also it doesn't hit hard at all outside of Liquidation. Dracovish at least has Strong Jaw so its not a complete sitting duck against something that isn't resistant or immune to water moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:46:39 No.42711003 Report

Quoted By: >>42711023

>>42710947
>Dracovish at least has Strong Jaw so its not a complete sitting duck against something that isn't resistant or immune to water moves.
Dracovish outside of using fishious rend is really fucking bad. Base 90 attack with strong jaw boost is not enough. Smart players run Fishious Rend and Sleep Talk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:51:03 No.42711023 Report

Quoted By: >>42711124

>>42711003
Why Sleep Talk?
Aren't most Dracovishes choiced?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:55:18 No.42711050 Report

Quoted By: >>42713659

>>42710894
>>infestation to prevent switches while setting up
Araquanid gets it too. So...
>>power split
lol
>>sticky webs
>>sneaky pebbles
Literally the only reason to ever use Shuckle. Being able to role compress Webs and Rocks. And it’s still shit anyway
>>survive long enough to do all of this because of god tier defenses
With that god tier HP right?
>>switch in and the opponent either stays in with nearly halved offenses, or switches and gets slowed down and has focus sash/sturdy broken
And if they switch to a hazard remover? Or use Taunt? Or make the switch before you set up hazards? Or if they start setting up in your face because shuckle is horribly passive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 05:58:11 No.42711071 Report

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>>42710613
>toxapex and ferrothorn are the only two tanky pokemon in the entire game
sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 06:07:18 No.42711124 Report

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>>42711023
because if he's slept and swapped out, he can swap back in and spam Fishious Rend through sleep

It's a niche thing but it's the most useful 2nd move to have on Dracovish. In doubles, say dracovish gets slept by Butterfree or gets hit with Yawn and is put to sleep, you can switch him out and bring him back in late game as a win condition since he's probably sleeping for 2 turns and that's all you need to spam sleep talk and sweep with Fishious Rend.

Dracovish using moves other than Fishious Rend is really fucking weak though. Yes, Crunch and Psychic Fangs get boosted to about 120 BP each, but that's not a lot when it's not STAB and it's with a base 90 attack. In almost all situations it's better to just use Fishious Rend unless it's vs a Storm Drain/Water Absorb pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 06:08:26 No.42711138 Report

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>>42710613
You're actually the retarded one. In practice he's specially very bulky, especially as a dynamax user.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 06:24:07 No.42711222 Report

Quoted By: >>42712962

>>42709720
why is nobody joking about entrainment water bubble on dracovish 2x over 1.5x damage and burn immune and goes to a hilarious 8x resist to fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 12:42:47 No.42712825 Report

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Bump.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 13:10:45 No.42712962 Report

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>>42710236
...Smeargle can only learn Sticky Web if it Sketches the move first.

>>42711222
Maybe someone should run Araquanid and Dracovish together in Doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 13:21:25 No.42713016 Report

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>>42710942
>Water Bubble boosts Max Geyser and adds stab, so Max Geyser is a base 390 attack move ( (130*2) * 1.5 ), BEFORE RAIN BOOST. After rain is set, it's 585 base.
hahahaha what the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 13:28:49 No.42713060 Report

Quoted By: >>42713066

>>42709749
It's attack stat is terrible. That's why

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 13:29:37 No.42713066 Report

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>>42713060
70 is not great but it's definitely not terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 13:30:00 No.42713070 Report

Quoted By: >>42714122

>>42710154
70 base attack is terrible. It's move are relatively strong sure but imagine if Water Bubble was on literally any other physical water type

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 13:58:47 No.42713209 Report

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>>42710942
Don't dynamax moves become the type of attack the base one is? Like if it's a special move it'll become special

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 14:15:13 No.42713300 Report

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>>42709749
It was very popular in SM VGC, right now it doesn't see use but it's probably a hidden gem, same for Aegislash, which is being used by ABSOLUTELY NOBODY despite being everywhere anytime he's been allowed in the past.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 14:17:48 No.42713321 Report

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>>42710393
>Its speed sucks

And that is literally the only thing that matters.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 14:39:17 No.42713460 Report

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>>42709720
stop hating on araquanid he is the best answer to fire types my bug team has he is the best

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 15:10:22 No.42713659 Report

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>>42711050
Jesus Christ dude are you new to competetive?
They all run mental herb and encore.
And it's got everything bulk to live two Aegislash iron heads and set up both hazards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 15:15:58 No.42713705 Report

Quoted By: >>42713782

>>42713659
Mental Herb is a one time use, which means you can spam Taunt and only have to deal with one hazard. And Encore is horribly predictable since it’s one of its most used moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 15:19:49 No.42713729 Report

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>>42713066
70 base attack is absolutely terrible when most heavy hitter have almost, or even more than twice that. It doesn't even break 280 max attack with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 15:25:15 No.42713782 Report

Quoted By: >>42713838

>>42713705
>Mental Herb is a one time use, which means you can spam Taunt and only have to deal with one hazard.
If all you're doing is spamming taunt it will get up the more useful hazard and come back in later and set the other because it's still at full health.
>And Encore is horribly predictable since it’s one of its most used moves
Encore being predictable means no one will setup in it's face, which you brought up previously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 15:32:36 No.42713838 Report

Quoted By: >>42713850 >>42714087

>>42713782
>If all you're doing is spamming taunt it will get up the more useful hazard and come back in later and set the other because it's still at full health
And then the hazard remover will just deal with them. Plus nothing is stopping the Taunter from Taunting it again
>Encore being predictable means no one will setup in it's face, which you brought up previously
That’s if there isn’t Encore, should’ve clarified earlier. Even then, Shuckle still can’t do anything to the opponent.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 15:34:34 No.42713850 Report

Quoted By: >>42713868

>>42713838
>Even then, Shuckle still can’t do anything to the opponent.
Toxic?

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 15:37:43 No.42713868 Report

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>>42713850
Taunt, Substitute, and Steel types flat out ignore it

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 16:04:34 No.42714087 Report

Quoted By: >>42715626

>>42713838
>And then the hazard remover will just deal with them.
That's why shuckle is only used on HO teams. Not only can you offensively pressure the opponent not to defog, you also have Bisharp. In Gen 8 every HO also has balloon Aegislash to stop spinners.
>Plus nothing is stopping the Taunter from Taunting it again.
Except if shuckle is out vs anything that isn't the taunter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 16:08:30 No.42714122 Report

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>>42713070
That’s why he gets entrainment, punch fish needs ALL the damage

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Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 16:20:11 No.42714238 Report

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>>42710613
That special bulk is almost the same as Skarmory's physical bulk, and is better than Toxapex's special bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 18:40:07 No.42715626 Report

Quoted By: >>42715685 >>42718064

>>42714087
>That's why shuckle is only used on HO teams. Not only can you offensively pressure the opponent not to defog, you also have Bisharp
Ribombee and Araquanid can do this without having to switch out. Shuckle is literally a sitting duck after setting up hazards
>Except if shuckle is out vs anything that isn't the taunter
You right. Then it’ll face against hazard removers that it can’t do much against or Pokémon who outright beat it

Why should I use Shuckle again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 18:46:08 No.42715685 Report

Quoted By: >>42718064

>>42715626
just post your elo already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 20:19:15 No.42716512 Report

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>>42712962
Smeargle got snapped out of existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 22:48:37 No.42718064 Report

Quoted By: >>42718100 >>42718505

>>42715626
>>42715685
>4 hours
>still hasn't posted elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 22:50:47 No.42718100 Report

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>>42718064
Yeah anon where’s your elo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 22:51:25 No.42718109 Report

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That's actually not true. Araquanid has been pretty shit since its inception. If anything, giving it Sticky Web gave it more viability than it had in gen 7

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Feb 2020 23:32:24 No.42718505 Report

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>>42718064
1519 retard. Still less than the amount of guys your mom had in her ass

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