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SS OU Viability Ranking

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 14:56:58 No.42924764 View View Reply Original Report

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-ou-viability-ranking-thread-see-post-321.3658351/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 14:59:01 No.42924772 Report

Quoted By: >>42924783 >>42924809 >>42924822 >>42925073 >>42925246 >>42929400

What happened to blastoise?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:00:00 No.42924776 Report

Quoted By: >>42925048

>>42924764
>Primarina B rank
>Incineroar C+ rank
>Decidueye unviable
oh no no no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:01:03 No.42924783 Report

Quoted By: >>42924884

>>42924772
Don’t tell me you actually fell for those threads. Blastoise is a mediocre sweeper and Cloyster does the job much better.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:04:41 No.42924801 Report

Quoted By: >>42926532

>stallbait top 2
I miss her bros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:05:40 No.42924809 Report

Quoted By: >>42926901

>>42924772
it's ou in natdex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:06:43 No.42924811 Report

Quoted By: >>42924829 >>42925246 >>42938371

What makes Corviknight S rank?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:07:53 No.42924819 Report

Quoted By: >>42924849 >>42928474

We in boys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:08:16 No.42924821 Report

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>My Galar Bro Corviknight is S Tier
Feels good to be a Corviking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:08:29 No.42924822 Report

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>>42924772
Needs Mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:08:39 No.42924823 Report

Quoted By: >>42935645

>Gyarados almost UU
>Dugtrio and Aegislash still unbanned
>Darmanitan is dogshit
>Tyranitar is dogshit
>Clef/Corv/Toad/Pult core in every team
>Zeraora actually good

This gen was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:09:29 No.42924829 Report

Quoted By: >>42925048

>>42924811
Tanks hits from most physical attackers, blocks intimidate back to the users and can remove rocks pretty easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:11:28 No.42924849 Report

Quoted By: >>42924866

>>42924819
Honestly I don't see incineroar lasting too long up here m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:12:29 No.42924858 Report

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>>42924764
>picsart
ultra based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:13:10 No.42924861 Report

Quoted By: >>42925869 >>42936310

Why is dragapult so strong? Just because of speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:13:56 No.42924865 Report

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>Snorlax in B
Based, but what does it do in OU? Cursetalk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:13:58 No.42924866 Report

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>>42924849
It's a decent pivot. I don't see anything overtaking the role until the DLC. I think it'll stay in Cs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:16:45 No.42924884 Report

Quoted By: >>42925219 >>42925367

>>42924783
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-ou-viability-rankings.3659038/

Where is cloyster ? It is a shitmon. Meanwhile Mega Blastoise is A+ in National dex OU. Mega Blastoise is C+ in National dex AG while shitmon cloyster is missing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:16:56 No.42924887 Report

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When crown tundra finally rolls around Heatran will instantly become the most used Pokemon in the tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:17:41 No.42924894 Report

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Where are the genies of healthy meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:20:36 No.42924914 Report

Quoted By: >>42925382 >>42942093 >>42945608 >>42945720

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-ou-viability-rankings.3659038/

S Rank:

:metagross-mega: Metagross-Mega
:zygarde: Zygarde

A Rank:

A+

:aegislash: Aegislash
:blastoise-mega: Blastoise-Mega
:ferrothorn: Ferrothorn
:heatran: Heatran
:kartana: Kartana
:landorus-therian: Landorus-Therian
:tangrowth: Tangrowth
:toxapex: Toxapex

A

:clefable: Clefable
:corviknight: Corviknight
:darmanitan-galar: Darmanitan-Galar
:dragapult: Dragapult
:greninja: Greninja
:greninja-ash: Greninja-Ash
:lopunny-mega: Lopunny-Mega
:tapu-fini: Tapu Fini
:tornadus-therian: Tornadus-Therian
:volcarona: Volcarona

A-

:chansey: Chansey
:ditto: Ditto
:excadrill: Excadrill
:magearna: Magearna
:magnezone: Magnezone
:medicham-mega: Medicham-Mega
:mew: Mew
:scizor-mega: Scizor-Mega
:slowbro: Slowbro
:slowbro-mega: Slowbro-Mega
:tyranitar: Tyranitar
:tyranitar-mega: Tyranitar-Mega
:zapdos: Zapdos

B Rank:

B+

:alakazam-mega: Alakazam-Mega
:dracovish: Dracovish
:garchomp: Garchomp
:gliscor: Gliscor
:hydreigon: Hydreigon
:latios-mega: Latios-Mega
:latias-mega: Latias-Mega
:mawile-mega: Mawile-Mega
:pelipper: Pelipper
:rotom-heat: Rotom-Heat
:rotom-wash: Rotom-Wash
:serperior: Serperior
:swampert-mega: Swampert-Mega
:tapu-lele: Tapu Lele

B

:charizard-mega-x: Charizard-Mega-X
:gastrodon: Gastrodon
:grimmsnarl: Grimmsnarl
:hawlucha: Hawlucha
:kommo-o: Kommo-o
:kyurem: Kyurem
:melmetal: Melmetal
:reuniclus: Reuniclus
:sableye-mega: Sableye-Mega
:seismitoad: Seismitoad
:tapu-bulu: Tapu Bulu
:victini: Victini
:weavile: Weavile

B-

:alomomola: Alomomola
:bisharp: Bisharp
:blacephalon: Blacephalon
:charizard-mega-y: Charizard-Mega-Y
:gengar: Gengar
:gyarados: Gyarados
:gyarados-mega: Gyarados-Mega
:hoopa-unbound: Hoopa-Unbound
:hippowdon: Hippowdon
:jirachi: Jirachi
:manaphy: Manaphy
:venusaur-mega: Venusaur-Mega
:volcanion: Volcanion

Guys this is the real rankings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:31:59 No.42924990 Report

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>>42924764
Crow of healthy meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:39:10 No.42925042 Report

Quoted By: >>42926293

>>42924764
How is Dracovish A-? I find it pretty underwhelming in most situation being out sped or walled by most of the top pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:40:06 No.42925048 Report

Quoted By: >>42925073 >>42926549

>>42924776
It sucks, you’re thinking of NatDex where the Mega is allowed.
>>42924829
>Mirror Armor in singles
You lose to both Incineroar and Arcanine and it wouldn’t matter against Lando anyways because you switch into it and not the other way around. Use Pressure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:43:35 No.42925073 Report

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>>42925048
was meant for >>42924772

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 15:55:43 No.42925173 Report

Quoted By: >>42925246 >>42925343 >>42925606 >>42925736 >>42926345

>>42924764
>Flareon isn't ranked
WHAT NO. NO NO NO. /VP/ TOLD ME THAT FLAREON WAS VIABLE. NO HOW CAN THIS BE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 16:03:56 No.42925219 Report

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>>42924884
Mega Blastoise>Cloyster>Blastoise

Mega Blastoise doesn't exist in Gen 8, hence whil Blastoise itself isn't all that good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 16:08:44 No.42925246 Report

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>>42924772
Don't forget that any new Pokémon added is made OU by default. This is because OU is the "main" tier and a Pokémon's placement in other tiers is either based on how much it's used in OU (for BL/UU and below) or if it's considered too broken for OU (if it's kicked upstairs to Ubers). Blastoise was OU by default because it was just released with HOME.

>>42924811
Has good 98/105/85 defenses. It can do a ton of shit. It can stall fairly well with Pressure. Defog to clear hazards. Can use Bulk Up to increase its physical stats and can do fair amounts of damage with Brave Bird or Body Press. Can heal with Roost. You're gonna have a real hard time killing it unless you use the two total super-effective types against it. Pressure is a great ability but you can even use Mirror Armor if for some reason you're worried about stat debuffs or Unnerve if you're worried about berries.

>>42925173
Incineroar is out now so between it and Arcanine Flareon doesn't have much of a niche I'd reckon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 16:23:51 No.42925343 Report

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>>42925173
It's good if you absolutely need a fire type that deals physical damage as well as absolutely need a wish passer at the same time. Aka super niche

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 16:26:23 No.42925367 Report

Quoted By: >>42934085

>>42924884
>literal fanfic rules mashing megas and dynamic together
who cares. we’re talking about what’s actually possible on cart

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 16:27:46 No.42925382 Report

Quoted By: >>42939686

>>42924914
>the top ranking Pokémon are basically walking nukes that can sweep your entire team under the right conditions
Natdex OU everybody

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 16:55:45 No.42925606 Report

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>>42925173
HOME brought back things like Jirachi for Clefable, LO Clefable fell out of popularity somewhat, Dugtrio became more common. It was viable, now it isn’t.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:00:47 No.42925660 Report

Quoted By: >>42925710 >>42926476 >>42929431

>>42924764
>Venusaur is in
>Charizard and Blastoise are not
>even above Incineroar
Wtf, Charizardbros, you told me that Charizard is the best starter? How could this happen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:01:33 No.42925668 Report

Quoted By: >>42925736 >>42925848 >>42925906

What are the tier shifts?
Not like anything fun is ever going to make it down to RU because UU council are banhappy stallcucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:06:15 No.42925710 Report

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>>42925660
Nobody has ever even implied that default Charizard is competitively better than the other two

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:09:02 No.42925736 Report

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>>42925668
>>42925173
>Flareon from C to UR: Once upon a time, Flareon was viable in OU. Then, the playerbase woke up and realized this was OU, not PU. Now, Flareon is no longer viable in OU.
Press S to Spit on Flareon
S

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:11:24 No.42925754 Report

Quoted By: >>42925786 >>42925791 >>42940305

>>42924764
I know this is a singles thread, but what made Incineroar so great in doubles? Was it solely Intimidate? Or did he check something specifically?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:14:47 No.42925786 Report

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>>42925754
It also has Fake Out, which is really strong in Doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:15:16 No.42925791 Report

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>>42925754
Intimidate, Snarl, Fake Out, and decent bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:22:19 No.42925848 Report

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>>42925668
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-update-for-march-2020-pu-is-back.3660642/#post-8379996
Surprisingly Venusaur dropped by an hair while Torkoal rose and Darmanitan stayed. I expected the opposite to happen because some people use Cinderace instead of Darmanitan but who the fuck uses sun without Venusaur?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:26:30 No.42925866 Report

Quoted By: >>42925877

>RU

NOOOOO BUT MUH HECKIN FISHERINO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OU POWERFUL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:26:50 No.42925869 Report

Quoted By: >>42925877

>>42924861
>Necrozma in B
Why? The weakness policy sweeper set has good coverage but it just doesn't hit hard enough even with WP activated. You need insane chip to actually kill anything you cant hit supereffective. Every other set is just outclassed by something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:27:52 No.42925877 Report

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>>42925869
Sorry meant to reply OP
>>42925866
Was only good with dynamax

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:31:16 No.42925906 Report

Quoted By: >>42925940 >>42925987 >>42926001 >>42926378 >>42926422 >>42929893 >>42941985

>>42925668

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:32:20 No.42925911 Report

Quoted By: >>42925916 >>42925918

Why don't they just fucking put galarian slowpoke in LC already

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:32:48 No.42925916 Report

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>>42925911
Because it doesn't evolve. :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:33:06 No.42925918 Report

Quoted By: >>42925989 >>42932889

>>42925911
It's technically fully evolved in the games code.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:35:24 No.42925940 Report

Quoted By: >>42925981

>>42925906
>Gig and Champ in UU
Is Sand allowed in the lower tiers? Did Champ gett anything new this Gen besides the Dynamax form even?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:39:07 No.42925968 Report

Quoted By: >>42925979

>>42924764
What makes Sylveon better than Primarina? Mystical Fire?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:40:40 No.42925979 Report

Quoted By:

>>42925968
Recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:40:49 No.42925981 Report

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>>42925940
>Is Sand allowed in the lower tiers?
Yes, but since there is literally one sand sweeper in the game and it's OU Gigalith is used for the special defense boosts that sand provides to itself.
>Did Champ gett anything new this Gen besides the Dynamax form even?
No, people just realized that unlike Sirfetch'd it can switch on Scald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:41:16 No.42925985 Report

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>>42924764
SS? Why are you posting the metagame for Soul Silver? That game was released over a decade ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:41:29 No.42925987 Report

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>>42925906
>Gyarados in UU
Its getting quickbanned in a week, especially with the UU council being unironic stallfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:42:03 No.42925989 Report

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>>42925918
Yeah until the DLC comes out and they update the base game to include his evolutions

Why is Smogon so autistic? They're fine banning entire mechanics from the game but they won't put slowpoke in one of their tiers for technicalities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:43:16 No.42926001 Report

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>>42925906
>Blastoise, Incineroar and Venusaur in UU
Lmao, cucks

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:44:59 No.42926014 Report

Quoted By: >>42926330

>>42924764
Bros.. Incineroar was suppose to be king..

What happened? NOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:00:25 No.42926141 Report

Quoted By:

>>42924764
>Xatu B-
Nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:13:45 No.42926293 Report

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>>42925042
Because if you lack something that can handle it it destroys your team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:17:20 No.42926330 Report

Quoted By: >>42926383

>>42926014
Incineroar is king... in VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:18:18 No.42926345 Report

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>>42925173
in fairness, it's no longer PU

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:21:24 No.42926378 Report

Quoted By: >>42926686

>>42925906
>Torkoal rises from RU to OU
>Venusaur falls from OU to UU

Huh? How is that possible? The best Drought-mon suddenly becomes viable in OU while the best Chlorphyl/Drought abuser falls to UU simultaneously.

Am I missing something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:22:29 No.42926383 Report

Quoted By: >>42941992

>>42926330
Not anymore gramps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:25:59 No.42926422 Report

Quoted By:

>>42925906
>RU loses gigalith
well that tier's fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:32:04 No.42926476 Report

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>>42925660
>still nuked by rocks

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:32:13 No.42926477 Report

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>A Rank
IT'S TIME, BROS

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:33:56 No.42926489 Report

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Our imperfect frozen chicken finally made it, bros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:39:54 No.42926532 Report

Quoted By: >>42926546 >>42935324

>>42924801
>Stallbait
Clefs most common set is LO.
Stay 1200s broseph.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:41:35 No.42926546 Report

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>>42926532
lmao nigga is stuck living in december

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:42:16 No.42926549 Report

Quoted By: >>42928442 >>42928555 >>42929766

>>42925048
>You lose to both Incineroar and Arcanine
Corvinght? With mirror armor? No the he'll it doesn't. At least not the one I use. Puting the intimadate back to incineroar helps me survive any flareblitz it can take out. I even get bold and use iron defence I front of them just to garunte I'll survive and after I roost then I body press them to death. Altho special Arcainine is something to avoid and nobody uses special incineroar so eh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 18:59:46 No.42926686 Report

Quoted By: >>42933473

>>42926378
Venusaur missed out by a silver of usage, if it was used literally 0.2% more it would have stayed OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 19:21:25 No.42926901 Report

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>>42924809
its mega is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 21:48:50 No.42928442 Report

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>>42926549
>Mirror Armor Iron Defense Body Press
Ah yes, so you can’t keep hazards off or boost past Toxapex of course. What a good set

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 21:50:37 No.42928461 Report

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>>42924764
OH NO NO NO WHERE'S DECIDUEYE OWLBROS HE WON THE POLLS!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 21:51:24 No.42928474 Report

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>>42924819
>Literally worse than dracozolt
L M A O

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 21:58:56 No.42928555 Report

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>>42926549
I guarantee you aren't past 1400

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 23:18:20 No.42929400 Report

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>>42924772
Mons are OU by default.
Blastoise sucks without its mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 23:20:06 No.42929431 Report

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>>42925660
Pretty sure Venusaur has always been the best Kanto starter competitively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 23:22:08 No.42929461 Report

Quoted By: >>42929502 >>42929507 >>42944200

>>42924764
>rotom-heat higher than rotom-wash
what world is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 23:25:21 No.42929502 Report

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>>42929461
unique typing lets it resist important things, and it's a rotom so it's got the build and moves to back it up

also heavy duty boots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 23:25:38 No.42929507 Report

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>>42929461
a world without Heatrannys

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 23:48:37 No.42929766 Report

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>>42926549
Holy fuck.
These are the shitters that complain about smogon's bans, but never get the reqs to vote against them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 00:00:36 No.42929893 Report

Quoted By: >>42929972

>>42925906
>toxtricity in UU
good.
How the fuck did it spend so long in OU? It is literally a
>slow
>frail
>mixed attacker

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 00:07:14 No.42929972 Report

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>>42929893
The only reason it's not OU is because of dugtrio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 00:18:55 No.42930094 Report

Quoted By: >>42930170 >>42931246 >>42932456 >>42936384

>>42924764
>Dugtrio now singlehandedly responsible for the drop of two mons form OU
>forces mons that manage to be viable to run shut like Shed Shell
>Incredibly easy to slap on a team but also needs to be universally played around, both things Smogon has banned less powerful Pokemon over individually
>Third fasts mon in the tier, strong enough to clean most Pokemon with Choice Band
And the kicker:
>Nearly fucking everyone wants it gone, even members of the council and moderators have expressed their distaste for it and its effects on the metagame
Why is it STILL around? Even if you want to pull the "volatile metagame" card, there was a period from January to early February after the Dynamax ban where things had settled down enough to suspect it
>muh SPL
has been stated multiple times, even this year, to not have an effect on the usual OU proceedings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 00:26:44 No.42930170 Report

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>>42930094
pretty sure we're all just waiting for the arbitrary 'let the meta settle' phase to end so we can can the mole

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 01:13:18 No.42930620 Report

Quoted By:

>>42924764
>fanfic meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:21:21 No.42931246 Report

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>>42930094
Seriously. Shouldn't it at least be getting a suspect test right now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 04:29:50 No.42932456 Report

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>>42930094
It's absolutely because of muh (whatever tournament is currently going on)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:31:58 No.42932889 Report

Quoted By: >>42933016 >>42933373

>>42925918
It can use Eviolite though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:35:06 No.42932905 Report

Quoted By: >>42932921 >>42944206

Centiskorch seriously ended up being the most viable SwSh bug type?

Literally how?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:36:52 No.42932921 Report

Quoted By: >>42932939

>>42932905
What did you expect? Frosmoth has garbage type and Orbeetle is too passive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:39:47 No.42932939 Report

Quoted By: >>42932951 >>42932956

>>42932921

I was including older pokemon too. But yeah, I guess it's just ribombee and durant as the only competition. But still it seemed like durant would have beat centiskorch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:41:55 No.42932951 Report

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>>42932939
Reasonable, but not in a Corviknight meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:42:26 No.42932956 Report

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>>42932939
Ribombee is in the same rank as Centiskorch. It's just alphabetical

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:50:40 No.42933016 Report

Quoted By: >>42935293

>>42932889
Wait, Kanto Farfetch'd can use Eviolite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 06:53:02 No.42933373 Report

Quoted By: >>42935293

>>42932889
It can?
Does that mean normal Corsola can also use Eviolite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 07:10:43 No.42933473 Report

Quoted By: >>42933820

>>42926686
This just confirmed to me how retarded Smogon's ranking system is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 08:03:35 No.42933820 Report

Quoted By: >>42933833 >>42934044 >>42935300

>>42933473
How would you do it better then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 08:05:39 No.42933833 Report

Quoted By: >>42933962

>>42933820
exactly the same but make the usage bar 0.2% lower

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 08:27:59 No.42933962 Report

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>>42933833
Then what happens when a Pokémon gets 4.48% usage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 08:49:11 No.42934044 Report

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>>42933820
Rank Pokemon solely based on how effective they actually are instead of an arbitrary popularity contest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 08:53:02 No.42934065 Report

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>>42934044
if you're so smart there's nothing stopping you from building a team that counters the 12 or so highest used mons and climbing to 2300 ELO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 08:55:41 No.42934075 Report

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>>42934044
How do you define the effectiveness of a Pokémon? You can't really go with win rates alone, because there are several niche Pokémon that almost exclusively see usage by great players. Likewise, there's always attractive Pokémon to bad players.
There is also the lower tiers that are to be taken into account. Why rob them of a perhaps key Pokémon of their metagame just because a few successful autismos manage to make something out of it?
Something that, more often than enough, is pretty specific and doesnt warrant them being tiered where they may end up with such a system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 08:58:06 No.42934085 Report

Quoted By: >>42934093 >>42934901

>>42925367
Not like Smogon shit is more realistic forcing people not to Dynamax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 09:01:37 No.42934093 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934085
It is, by definition. Two players can agree to not Dynamax on cart, they can't use Megas even if they wanted to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 09:16:07 No.42934164 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934044
The popularity contest is how they determine how effective a Pokemon is. Usage stats are a good way to get an idea of the ballpark a mon belongs in.
If a Pokemon is effective, more people will use it. If it isn't, people won't use it.
The system isn't perfect, obviously. I think there should be some common sense applied, like having Ditto be untiered because it's only as good as what it's up against, and cases like Venusaur right now where the algorithm determines it to be UU, but anyone who's used it or played against it can tell that it's clearly OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 12:15:50 No.42934837 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934044
>arbitrary
The rules are well-defined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 12:23:41 No.42934871 Report

Quoted By: >>42934900

>>42924764
>fanfic meta with no dynamax

Real best pokemon in Gen 8 would include Ditto, Gyarados and Togekiss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 12:28:28 No.42934900 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934871
>Real best pokemon in Gen 8 would include Ditto, Gyarados and Togekiss.
And you wonder why people prefer to play the fanfic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 12:28:47 No.42934901 Report

Quoted By: >>42941933

>>42934085
>hes still mad his broken, garbage mechanic got banned in short order in the only competative format that isnt hot garbage
Laughing all the way to the bank

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 13:12:06 No.42935118 Report

Quoted By:

>Sigilyph

???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 13:17:13 No.42935149 Report

Quoted By: >>42935623

>>42934044
so some sort of ranking... of viability?

that's absurd anon where would you even find that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 13:44:57 No.42935293 Report

Quoted By:

>>42933016
>>42933373
No, retards. They don't evolve, while Slowpoke-Galar does, it's just unavailable yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 13:46:06 No.42935300 Report

Quoted By:

>>42933820
Actually count usage from the say HOME was released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 13:50:29 No.42935324 Report

Quoted By:

>>42926532
LO clef hasnt been good since release, it's all wish pass now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 14:38:27 No.42935623 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934044
power rankings are every bit as arbitrary but are also far more subjective than usage stats; you can’t have an opinion about how frequently used something is, but you definitely can about how good it is. i guarantee you you’d be bitching about how finch didn’t make cloyster ou or whatever if that’s the approach they took to tiering. it sucks when something narrowly drops or doesn’t drop but the alternative is replacing an objective, automated, and self-correcting system with subjective, manual, human updates.
>>42935149
case in point, why would you ever use the VR as anything but a general guide for what to look out for. you’re making the ou forum mods’ opinion on the meta the be-all end-all for tiering. why do you think you’d be any happier with that arrangement? and it doesn’t even solve the narrow-miss problem because they’d probably just say “everything in x rank and above is ou” and you’d just get barely-not-x-rank mons falling to uu until the mods come around to it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 14:42:05 No.42935645 Report

Quoted By:

>>42924823
>Tyranitar is dogshit
This is a good thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:01:35 No.42935802 Report

Quoted By: >>42935855 >>42935958

>>42934044
>Rank system by viability
>Have to rank every Pokemon multiple times as more things are looked at and new strategies for
>Uh Oh! Someone made a completely new dominate strategy! Now we have to re-rank everything!
vs
>Rank everything by popularity
>It’s done automatically
>You can still use OU viable Pokemon in OU if the Pokemon is NU, where it may be fine in NU too
>Only problem is noobtraps like Ambipom being stuck in tiers they’re awful in, and some YouTuber can skew the results.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:10:13 No.42935855 Report

Quoted By:

>>42935802
This.
Usage is as close to a truly objective ranking system you can get.
The only alternative would be some sort ranking based on BST or something which wouldn't be accurate at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:18:57 No.42935929 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934044
Usage is the best way to determine how effective a mon is.
Only flaw are mons who just barely do or don't make the cut, but those can be bumped up or down manually.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:20:24 No.42935941 Report

Quoted By: >>42936357 >>42936736

>>42934044
>Rank pokemon based on arbitrary "effectiveness" instead of "arbitrary popularity"
These are the dudes that makes those "BWAAAAH SMOGON BAD!!!" threads? lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:22:16 No.42935958 Report

Quoted By: >>42935989

>>42935802
>Only problem is noobtraps like Ambipom being stuck in tiers they’re awful in, and some YouTuber can skew the results.
This latter point is largely solved by the higher ceiling that they adopted this generation. Noobtraps like Coalossal, Copperajah and Cramorant (or even Barraskewda which is not quite a noobtrap, just not very good) already dropped, but with the older ceiling they would have stayed UU for this month and who knows how long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:28:00 No.42935989 Report

Quoted By: >>42936007 >>42936024 >>42936027 >>42936232

>>42935958
What exactly makes these mons noobtraps? Theyre just shitmons with very few redeeming factors overall. The only actual noobtrap I can think of is G corsola.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:31:06 No.42936007 Report

Quoted By: >>42936213

>>42935989
>Theyre just shitmons with very few redeeming factors overall.
Correct.
They're the kind of shitmons that only noobs lose to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:33:24 No.42936024 Report

Quoted By: >>42936213 >>42937672 >>42945800

>>42935989
Pokemon with rapidspin+stealthrock are always noob traps because noobs think having both on the same mon warrants using subpar shitmons.
That's why forretress stuck around in UU last gen despite being D rank, and the same with Donphan in RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:33:41 No.42936027 Report

Quoted By: >>42936213

>>42935989
>What exactly makes these mons noobtraps?
The fact that for a while people unironically used them on their teams despite them not being any good is enough to classify them as noobtraps. I suppose that Coalossal had Rapid Spin+Spikes, Copperajah just hits hard and Cramorant has a funny ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 15:35:46 No.42936040 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934044
"effectiveness" is the most arbitrary measurement you could've chosen. Meanwhile "popularity" is empirical and easy to measure

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 16:03:36 No.42936213 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936007
>>42936024
>>42936027
I see, thanks. I always thought of noobtraps to be stuff like Gen 8 Shell smash Blastoise, Solar power Charizard, and G Corsola. They actually have redeeming features that make people think theyre good, but have some less than obvious reasons why they are suboptimal that are only apparent with a degree of understanding of the game, and when your opponents are good enough at the game to abuse them or build teams that can manage them easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 16:06:20 No.42936232 Report

Quoted By:

>>42935989
They’re shitmons but bad players think they’re good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 16:18:38 No.42936310 Report

Quoted By: >>42936898

>>42924861
Its strong because Pursuit doesn't exist this gen. If Pursuit simply existed Pult would be shit C-tier. every specs/scarf set would get demolished easy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 16:26:33 No.42936357 Report

Quoted By: >>42936382

>>42935941
Wait hol up where's the second 25% coming from

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 16:29:50 No.42936382 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936357
Steelsurge

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 16:29:59 No.42936384 Report

Quoted By: >>42942073

>>42930094
>Ban Melmetal immediately
>keep Dugtrio around even though its been proven for 4 generations in a row that no one likes dealing with Arena Trap.
I blame Finch, that asshole. Probably squeezing out Dug as long as he can to get elo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 16:32:07 No.42936404 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934044
But that's how it's already done (outside of rare meme circumstances).
People are generally going to use the most effective Pokemon they can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:27:51 No.42936736 Report

Quoted By: >>42936801

>>42935941
Is Frosmoth the only Pokemon (other than Shedinja) that can die immediately after being sent out at full HP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:28:50 No.42936739 Report

Quoted By: >>42936747 >>42936749 >>42937647

How is Shedinja OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:29:53 No.42936747 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936739
nvm i see its just outdated

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:30:12 No.42936749 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936739
You insta-win if you KO everything that can damage it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:39:34 No.42936801 Report

Quoted By: >>42936811

>>42936736
Alolan Ninetales, Articuno, Delibird and Aurorus under the same circumstances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:40:53 No.42936811 Report

Quoted By: >>42936813 >>42936837

>>42936801
Articuno and Delibird don't take damage from spikes, and Aurorus and A-Ninetales aren't 4x weak to sneaky pebbles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:41:15 No.42936813 Report

Quoted By: >>42936834

>>42936811
Ninetales and Aurorus are 4x weak to Steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:43:52 No.42936834 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936813
Oh, right.
I forgot Steelsurge was literally steel stealth rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:44:35 No.42936837 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936811
If Gravity is in effect they get hit by Spikes :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 17:51:58 No.42936898 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936310
Removing Pursuit was a fucking awful decision.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 19:30:38 No.42937647 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936739
Because memers like to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 19:34:50 No.42937672 Report

Quoted By: >>42938461 >>42938472

>>42936024
>and the same with Donphan in RU.
Except people woke up on Donphan's power later in RU when people realized how fat Donphan is and given the part where Metagross dropped to RU, Donphan was Metagross' best friend forever in RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 21:13:18 No.42938371 Report

Quoted By: >>42940173 >>42940375

>>42924811
Its typing obviously.
You cannot name a better type combo than steel flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 21:23:28 No.42938461 Report

Quoted By:

>>42937672
The RU where Donphan was dogshit and the RU where it was alright are completely different. So many things rose/dropped/got banned/were discovered/fell out of favor that they were completely different metagames.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 21:24:28 No.42938472 Report

Quoted By:

>>42937672
Meta shifts like Mega Steelix and Gligar leaving the tier helped Donphan carve a good niche to be fair. It is true that it is a Pokémon that had an huge negative stigma so it took a while for its qualities to be properly recognized.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 23:55:14 No.42939686 Report

Quoted By:

>>42925382
>Ferro
>sweeping anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 00:01:17 No.42939728 Report

Quoted By:

>>42924764
Soul Silver?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 00:28:17 No.42939909 Report

Quoted By:

>>42924764
BASED Clefable

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 01:01:02 No.42940173 Report

Quoted By: >>42940412 >>42945813

>>42938371
steel fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 01:16:06 No.42940305 Report

Quoted By:

>>42925754
>intimidate
>Snarl, which is a spread special attack drop that's also damage and STAB for Roar
>relatively good bulk
>typing is surprisingly good
>slow U-turn, or nowadays Parting Shot to get a check in undamaged
>Fake Out
>Knock Off
>Taunt
>Darkest Lariat ignores Dynameme Defense boosts
>can use lefties, Assault Vest, a Berry, Life Orb, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 01:24:44 No.42940375 Report

Quoted By: >>42940412

>>42938371
Steel/Fairy
Steel/Ghost
Ghost/Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 01:28:19 No.42940412 Report

Quoted By: >>42941318

>>42940173
>>42940375
low elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 03:17:02 No.42941318 Report

Quoted By: >>42941352 >>42941389

>>42940412
Fairy/Steel is objectively the best typing (at least for defense).
https://pokemondb.net/type/dual
The numbers don't lie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 03:21:51 No.42941352 Report

Quoted By:

>>42941318
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 03:27:36 No.42941389 Report

Quoted By: >>42941447

>>42941318
That's starting with the flawed assumption that all types are equal, though. A Steel-type with a Ground immunity is worth far more than one with a Dragon immunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 03:35:48 No.42941447 Report

Quoted By: >>42945847

>>42941389
It's not that Fairy benefits Steel, it's the other way around. Steel covers both of Fairy's weaknesses while Fairy provides neutrality to Fighting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 03:53:16 No.42941555 Report

Quoted By: >>42941750

>>42924764
>Clefable S Rank
>Cloyster A Rank
>Tyranitar B+ Rank
>Ditto B Rank
>Mantine B Rank
>Gyarados B- Rank
>Xatu B- Rank!!!

I know some of these guys have been higher up on the ladder for a while, or always did relatively well in OU, but it's still nice to see them holding their own against powercreep over the years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 04:22:49 No.42941750 Report

Quoted By: >>42941760 >>42942065

>>42941555
Tyranitar is ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 04:25:18 No.42941760 Report

Quoted By:

>>42941750
Tends to happen to a Pokemon when you take away its best and most defining move.

It still gets 6% usage and a solid win rate so it's not that bad anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 04:49:06 No.42941933 Report

Quoted By:

>>42934901
>he says this with the same stale mons on the top

pot calling kettle black

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 04:58:19 No.42941985 Report

Quoted By: >>42942001

>>42925906
why the fuck is incineroar in UU, I thought it's RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 04:59:27 No.42941992 Report

Quoted By:

>>42926383
60% usage for a day's worth of debut is actually pretty good all things considered. just like how hulk hogan ended his career

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:00:49 No.42942001 Report

Quoted By: >>42942024

>>42941985
Every mon starts in OU by default, and I'm pretty sure it's not possible to drop 2 tiers at once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:04:31 No.42942024 Report

Quoted By: >>42942069 >>42942086

>>42942001
that's just needless busywork

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:11:55 No.42942065 Report

Quoted By: >>42942151

>>42941750
and still gonna be OU forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:12:44 No.42942069 Report

Quoted By:

>>42942024
Its easier just to place it in OU and let it be mediocre so it can drop to correct tier than place it in a lower tier and fuck up those making more of a issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:14:02 No.42942073 Report

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>>42936384
finch is one of the biggest dug haters on the planet, dude got arena trap banned in black/white 10 years after the game was released

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:15:51 No.42942086 Report

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>>42942024
needless busywork is manually sorting all the mons that get added mid-gen instead of letting everything sort itself out through usage

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:16:30 No.42942093 Report

Quoted By: >>42942472

>>42924914
>The Zards are B Rank in NatDex
Good enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:23:22 No.42942151 Report

Quoted By: >>42942242 >>42945763

>>42942065
To be desu, it should have dropped to UU in this tier shift, but its meme status will keep it around.
With pursuit culled, hippo rising into the spotlight, defensive Kommo-O or Seismitoad on literally every balance team, Aegislash and Clefable continuously speed creeping each other to the point of outspeeding Adamant TTar, random shit getting Close Combat, the reintroduction of Zeroara, Terrak, a d Keldeo, Dugtrio at peak cancer, and no good psychic types to take advantage of, it really shouldn't be getting anywhere near this much usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 05:36:32 No.42942242 Report

Quoted By: >>42945642

>>42942151
It feels like blasphemy to have Tyranitar drop out of OU.
I know there's nothing that can be done if it's shit, but it's been OU every single generation, surviving power creep along the way.
Kinda sucks that the thing that'll finally get it to drop is the removal of a move that it's been carrying as long as it's been in OU (and as long as it's existed).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 06:27:08 No.42942472 Report

Quoted By: >>42944142 >>42944343

>>42942093
Zard Y finally got a move to boost its speed, and one that acts as a good flying STAB at that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 13:39:41 No.42944142 Report

Quoted By:

>>42942472
Max Airstream?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 13:51:50 No.42944200 Report

Quoted By: >>42944206 >>42944267

>>42929461
I hope Volcarona doesn't outshine it too badly so both can be viable
I love these two fire bugs so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 13:53:38 No.42944206 Report

Quoted By:

>>42944200
Shit
meant to reply to >>42932905

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 14:07:55 No.42944267 Report

Quoted By: >>42944316

>>42944200
It's ok, Volcarona will be Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 14:17:02 No.42944316 Report

Quoted By:

>>42944267
No, it won't, losing Z moves and Hidden Power is a massive nerf to its offensive capabilities. Boots make it more reliable but not more overwhelming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 14:22:30 No.42944343 Report

Quoted By:

>>42942472
>Zard Y
>Max Airstream
Isn't it currently assumed that mega evolutions can't dynamax?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 14:33:17 No.42944399 Report

Quoted By: >>42944523 >>42945574 >>42945649

>clef s
is it the fairy type that makes it s or a combination of that and a wide movepool?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 14:54:55 No.42944523 Report

Quoted By:

>>42944399
no pokemon is good solely because of typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:19:14 No.42945574 Report

Quoted By:

>>42944399
Yep, and a good ability. Two, in fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:21:55 No.42945597 Report

Quoted By:

>>42924764
>sigilyph and xatu both hanging on at B-
based totembros

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:22:47 No.42945608 Report

Quoted By:

>>42924914
Based Zygod

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:27:19 No.42945642 Report

Quoted By:

>>42942242
It only took a literal nerf, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:27:35 No.42945646 Report

Quoted By:

Redpill me on rotom heat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:27:47 No.42945649 Report

Quoted By:

>>42944399
Both and its ability. Well-rounded bulk and decent Sp att is nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:37:16 No.42945720 Report

Quoted By: >>42945780

>>42924914
Did Genesect got banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:42:48 No.42945763 Report

Quoted By:

>>42942151
Pursuit getting removed was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:45:21 No.42945780 Report

Quoted By:

>>42945720
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:48:29 No.42945800 Report

Quoted By:

>>42936024
I've been the noob that tries oh so very hard to make fore work everytime he got a new toy for a couple gens right now and I never noticed this point.
I thought I did it mostly because they were unavoidable staples when I started playing and they basically do the same thing now they did (I've played a lot of celebi and crocune in gen4+ for the same reason) then but you might have something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:50:43 No.42945813 Report

Quoted By:

>>42940173
>Weak to ground
Objectively worse than steel flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:54:04 No.42945847 Report

Quoted By: >>42945876

>>42941447
Flying covers steel's fighting weakness too.
You have that ON TOP of a ground immunity. Do you realize how fucking important a ground immunity for steel is?
Sick of retards saying steel fairy is the best type combo when it clearly isn't.
The best type combo is OBJECTIVELY steel flying because of the ground immunity. You cannot refute this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:57:50 No.42945876 Report

Quoted By: >>42946021

>>42945847
>The best type combo is OBJECTIVELY steel flying

Burden of proof is on you, prove us that an immunity to ground is more useful than one to dragon and to all the other types fairy randomly resist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 18:18:41 No.42946021 Report

Quoted By: >>42946059

>>42945876
Steel already resists dragon and bug.
Turning the fighting weakness neutral is nice, but flying does that too in addition to removing the ground weakness entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 18:25:36 No.42946059 Report

Quoted By:

>>42946021
Steel cancels out Fairy's poison weakness

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