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Action girls when?
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Champion Iris can't stop winning
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>>43100861 You do know
>>43100749 has an artist's watermark, right?
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>>43100749 Finally a good OP start
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>>43101062 I can't believe that artist is going to get sued for watermarking official content
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>>43101131 >>43100749 A watermark implicates that the artist, in this case being SergiRomero, drew it. Not you. I just told the guy just now.
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>Serenafags seething about fanart >I-It's only ok when we post stuff! *tears of rage*
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>>43101192 Not what I meant, but you do you. Also, it's just me. For now.
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Iris is cute, CUTE!!!
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>>43101279 Why did they replace Surge with a tranny?
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Well that went well on Twitter. And now for the real deal.
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>>43101296 The character was confirmed female. So everything is fine with the universe.
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>Amourfags seeth by anything that doesn't have Serena
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>>43101172 >Not you. I am OLM now and I can't believe you're saying official content is fake while posting Amour fanfics
Also can't believe you reported blue board safe art
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ZzzZzZzzZzzzZzz aurelia lovers nap.
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>>43101279 Nu-satoshi looks like a fucking bum in front of these chads. I miss ikemen satoshi
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If Ash doesn't even comment about Surge then there is no hope for the series.
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twitter fans arguing about XY or SM reminds me of the old days when it was Misty fans vs. AG/May fans and then DP. As they say, "war never changed." We're 15 years later and the younger generation has their own debates compared to ours.
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>>43101816 2003-2004 shipping wars were based
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>>43101848 Went on quite longer than that, the thread on serebii/bulbagarden were most active around 2005-2006, because Contestshipping was heating up then and Pokeshippers still thought Misty would return to the cast after AG ended at the time.
When DP began and Dawn was introduced there were a lot of new users on the forums at the time, either people who got back into pokemon or new younger fans, so it wasn't quite the same.
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>>43101871 Catch Corona and die, Scott.
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>>43101279 Surge didn't deserve this.
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>>43101279 That's not how you draw a girl.
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>>43098862 >but his series pulled bigger numbers than SM. why are you so triggered by XY? Big number? Last time I cheeked, XY lost most of its numbers to Youkai Watch.
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>>43100749 Why did Iris have to be such a cunt? Why couldn't she be nice and loving?
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>>43102182 They were trying to recapture the Ash and Misty dynamic from OS, except they fucked it up because the dynamic worked then because OS Ash shot back and gave Misty as good as she gave him, whereas whenever Iris was rude to Ash he just took it like a pussy.
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>>43102200 The problem is that Ash has became too nice since BW series. It seem the anime wants to promote him as pure good boy which makes him more unrelatable to kids specially during XY series (he felt like a discount clone of Dekisugi from Doreamon). Which is why the anime has to make him even more expressive than before to make his relatable to their target audience.
The thing is that no human are pure good, they has both good and bad traits in them. Specially kids who are too savage and brutally honest compare to adult since they haven't developed an "off button" that an adult has developed while growing up
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>>43101626 I can totally see why Anipoke's target audience preferred Keita over XY Ash.
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*ahem*
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>>43102586 I love fucking Serena as Tierno.
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Ready to see Gengar jobbing
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So do we expect Sobble and Grookey to show up soon? That leaked toy image seems to imply that Thwackey and Drizzile are going to be relevant by June (around when those toys are going to be released).
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That commercial is using Chitty Chitty Bang Bang's theme song
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Where can i find the livestream?
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>>43102644 Are you for real?
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Oh, Ash actually remembered Surge. Well that's something at least.
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>Surge appeared
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>>43101779 There is ever so slight hope for this series.
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>>43102649 Nooooooo~ But muh reboot theory tho...
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The OP still has Scorbunny
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>Scorbunny is still in the OP
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>>43102654 Lazy animators with coronavirus
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KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Gym Leaders
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Wait, that's not the gym from the Bulbasaur episode. I guess that one's still under construction.
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Holy fuck, it actually is a tranny.
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Uhhhhh not that bland homogeneous redesign Gym
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Well, that shot of the KANTOOOOO gym leaders and badges gives hope that at least some of them will reappear
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So Pisces actually knows Ash from his earlier battle with Surge?
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WELCOME WELCOME
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>>43102666 >Surge isn't an 8ft gigachad I am disappoint
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Fuck this lag.
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Oh fuck off, Marina
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So how did Raichu learn all those new attacks? (plot point of the Surge ep was he evolved too fast and got fucked by videogame rules) TMs?
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POCKET MONSTERS
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>>43102674 This is an anime where sometimes Ash comes to be close to a man's/woman's chest (Cynthia) and sometimes isn't even close to a person's waist (Surge, post-BW Delia, Surge, Lucy and Elesa). Size inconsistency is anything but new.
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Good battle so far
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Pikachu fainted? Or was he just recalled?
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Should I buy Animal Crossing? It looks fun but I'm saving for Disaster Report 4 and I'm running out of space on my SD card.
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>>43102693 One of the devs said AC is good to deal with this pandemic, and the game is performing well on reviews, so I suppose it's worth it.
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Holy fuck that was some Sabrina shit.
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When will I get to see shirtless Ash again already? It’s already 3 months into 2020
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Floating rocks
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Gengar probably wishes he still had levitate right now
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Amazing episode as always Ash wins Gengar and Pikachu are awesome 10/10. Gengar fucked Raichu up badddddd. Pikachu saved itself with Electric net. Looking forward to PM similar to SM. Animation was way better than anything in XY.
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That music sounds familiar. Is it based on game music?
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Kachupi kachupi kachupi
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Based Ash dabbing on the competition
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Electroweb is broken
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holy fuck that's the best battle since Kalos
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Did she mention Lt. Surge? What did she say? He promises to battle him?
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>>43102725 but that doesn't make any sense. SM had better battles than Kalos.
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>>43102713 Based PM and SM
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If yall are gonna mention Surge and show him and all the other Kanto gym leaders, then might as well have just used him for this battle instead of this Pisces person, ffs.
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Continuity
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I still find it disappointing how Ash previous achievements mean nothing to his rankings at all
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Iwane animated this?
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>>43102182 She was nice and loving.
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>>43102732 Ash already trashed Surge already so it's meaningless to do it again. At the least Ash will beat Sabrina and Erika, and maybe Giovanni.
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So Go caught a Spearow off screen
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>>43102729 False, I don’t see battles better than the XY gym battles especially Ash vs Korrina over any SM battles
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>>43102733 As expected of Tomioka.
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>>43102735 ash just started,like hell you entered the torunament automatically place on top 8
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>>43102733 PM2019 in 18 episodes has already had more continuity nods than XY or SM
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>>43102727 I heard Machis too.
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Did based Iwane and Tomioka deliver??
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>>43102693 >Disaster Report 4 When is it coming out? Is there a demo?
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>>43102745 Still waiting on oakmons tho
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>>43102739 Surge was Ash's first legitimate badge, so you're right that fighting him again was pointless. I really do hope Ash fights Sabrina and Erika properly this time around.
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>>43102747 Pretty good episode. PM2019 has become more and more enjoyable lately. Now if only Koharu could show up more often, I'm still not losing hope that it will happen.
>>43102750 April 7, and yes there's a demo.
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>>43102727 >She He said Lt. Surge will be happy to fight the improved Satoshi. And Satoshi replies by saying he also wants to fight Lt. Surge as well.
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People talked shit about this episode after reading the summary but it ended up being one of the best
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A TR-centric preview, complete with different background. Well that's interesting.
>>43102755 I hope it means that maybe Surge will return eventually and they didn't bring him back so early only due to plot reasons, not because they didn't want to.
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>>43102754 >April 7 Nice
>and yes there's a demo. Nice
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Are they actually 1:1 ripping off Duplica's episode except now it's a dude? Fucing hell.
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>>43102757 All the episodes are good. XYfags just have a thing with their series being the best.
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Writers still can't make a Ditto plot without repeating the Mysterious Mansion.
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Where’s those retards saying Surge wasn’t getting a redesign?
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>>43102739 >At the least Ash will beat Sabrina and Erika, and maybe Giovanni. Dude, the small silhouette scene showed that Sabrina and Erika were retconned to use their LGPE designs over the anime-original ones. And even if Ash didn't face Giovanni himself, he still won Viridian's badge fair and square.
As much as I loved the continuity in this episode, I really doubt the writers will want to cover the shit that happened with evil Sabrina and jackass Erika.
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>>43102769 There's a chance that the Ditto could be recurring considering they're making merchandise for it, so maybe they have other plans for it if they decide to not make it a one-off.
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>>43102755 If they bring Surge back for a rematch with Ash and upgrade his team with Mega Ampharos that will be fucking based.
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>>43102747 It was an above average episode imo. Competently directed. Good Animation overall.
Kind of sucks we didn't get a full on Raichu vs Pikachu episode, but I guess I'll give them props for mixing it up a bit.
Not a big fan of how Raichu job so easily.
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>>43102766 If this was XY Team Rocket would’ve done something retarded just like every week
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>>43102774 Rocket Ditto would actually be a neat idea, helping them with various disguises.
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>>43102685 Except Surge was consistently tall
>>43102772 Ppl should honestly expect the bare minimum when it comes to fucking continuity in this Anime
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>>43102776 >Kind of sucks we didn't get a full on Raichu vs Pikachu episode We did. Pikachu would have lost because that Raichu lifts and didn't skip leg day.
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>>43100749 serena is such an alpha bitch jesus christ, died for your sins.
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What's the deal with this bunny?
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>>43102811 Pretty good, I dare say.
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>>43102812 It's a tsundere. It was very dere from the start but when he was still a Hibunny he had that tsuntsun nature.
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>>43102804 Nigger poop bitch. I’d like to smash her in the face with a hammer. This stupid nigger whore is the whitest nigger I have ever seen. I hope she dies of super super Corona ebola cancer aids. Fuck this stupid piece of shit whore.
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>>43102792 From the looks of it everyone is getting their current design
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>>43102820 Who are those mysterious people?
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>>43102817 Misty : the pokemon edition?
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>>43102811 As far as combat episodes are concerned, this was certainly better than the Battle Frontier one.
Compared to the entire series though? Hard to tell. With Ash catching Dragonite and Gengar, the fight with Leon, Go literally looking for Mew in a computer since childhood, Scorbunny evolving and that one Koharu chapter; the series has been filled with big shockers in so little time. I suppose it was better than some of the filler episodes like the Piplup one, but that's as far as it goes.
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>>43102825 LGPE Brock, Sabrina, Blaine and Giovanni.
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>>43102820 What was the point of this frame? We've already met these people so why not show them instead of their silhouettes?
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>>43102834 That's Koga you idiot.
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>>43102830 The series had a pretty slow start but it seems to have found its footing ever since the Leon two-parter. There haven't really been that many bland episodes since then, most episodes have been quite good. If this keeps up, this could be one of the better series yet.
>>43102834 Isn't that Koga?
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>>43102836 Little kids are oblivious.
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>>43102838 >>43102840 My b.
I forgot the guy had a scarf, and since he and Brock have the same hair, I couldn't tell at first.
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>>43102843 Why are they so scared of continuity? If one piece and dragon ball can do it why not pokemon?
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>>43102811 Best episode of the season
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>>43102852 >referencing Surge and his battle >referencing Mallow's restaurant >referencing Ho-oh >Lance appearing >scared of continuity Anonymous
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Pokemon anime noob, recently started watching indigo league on netflix, left off on the tenacool and tentacruel episode.the trainers and team rocket almost die multiple times
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>>43102825 That’s Koga bro
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>>43102852 XY started the whole screw up so I guess they are just trying to remove all signs of it to fix what Yajima did.
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>>43102855 >referencing Mallow's restaurant Anon, they just reused a background from SM. It doesn't count.
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>>43102852 Higher ups are probably afraid of kids not understanding over a thousand episodes in the span of 20 years.
But then again, what is the point of selling past seasons and letting people legally watch them in an official site (albeit dubbed) if they're so afraid of continuity? May as well just pull an "Ultimate Marvel" on the anime and do brand-new series with Ash starting from scratch.
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>>43102834 That’s Koga bro
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>>43102863 It still counts, otherwise they would have used a completely new newspaper
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>>43102864 >May as well just pull an "Ultimate Marvel" on the anime and do brand-new series with Ash starting from scratch. That already exists, it's called the AU movies
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>>43102836 Kids who have never watched the anime before
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>>43102852 When you get continuity you get Ash growing up and maturing, although he is, he loses the kid aspect of himself which what made XY suck. The series is currently drawing away from what XY had.
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>>43102855 Those are nods at best. Not exactly continuity per se. Gary coming back for a few episodes or ash using his old mons for the sinnoh league is what I would call continuity.
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>>43102867 They reused it because of lack of time/laziness/etc.
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>>43102862 XY was pretty edgy, it wouldn't work well at all in a children's TV show.
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>>43102876 And you don't consider Lance reappearing, using the Red Gyarados he caught back in Johto and Ash recognizing him continuity?
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>>43102876 So just like Misty and Brock returning twice and Ash seeing his Bulbasaur again?
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>>43102869 Is it tho? IIRC there weren't any direct references to ICY in MNM/POU.
I know that neither the Ultimate Universe or the AU films are exactly loyal to the source material, but you'd think they'd have some continuity to them.
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>>43102874 >When you get continuity you get Ash growing up and maturing Are you dumb? No, you don't get that. Luffy has been traveling for 20 years and he hasn't grown/matured one bit. It's called a "static character" and they can do the same shit with ash.
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>>43102874 >>43102882 Glad they got rid of all that.
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>>43102852 > If one piece and dragon ball can do it why not pokemon? Dragon Ball isn't difficult to get in to at any time. Neither is Conan. But One Piece and Boruto are hurt by being rigidly ongoing, and that's reflected in the ratings.
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>>43102891 Luffy and Goku is just dumb as a grown up. Ash is an actual 10 year old kid.
>they can do the same >XY Ash That's obviously not true when you get a stoic blank slate shonen character without any personality.
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>>43102884 No because he didn't interact with ash at all. Lance using his red Gyarados is just acknowledgement of an event. It's not even a reference, just a "oh yeah that happened"
>>43102889 Yes but Misty and Brock came back for the 20th anniversary. I doubt we'll be seeing them again until the 25th or 30th anniversary.
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>>43102882 >XY was pretty edgy Is your idea of edgy a soccer ball
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Ash's current rank : 3763
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>>43102903 For any SM fan, anything that's not childproofed and/or in diapers is too edgy.
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>>43102902 What about Ash mentioning Piplup in XY, or Steven appearing in XY? Is that continuity to you?
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>>43102899 Age has nothing to do with it. Ash will always be a stock shounen hero you dumb dickwaffle.
>That's obviously not true when you get a stoic blank slate shonen character without any personality So basically every version of ash?
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>>43102913 the continuity people crave is something from the past having an impact on the present. everything else are nods/references
this episode comes pretty close because Pisces Raichu didn't make the same mistake Surge's did, so Surge taught them that lesson
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>>43102903 >taking damage from your own Pokemon (Ash Greninja) getting hurt >Ash jumping off buildings >Lysandre getting killed by a Legendary >Lysandre impaling Ash on top of the building >Alain being a star wars edgelord Aneken Skywalker. yeah... totally not edgy.
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>>43102915 OS, SM, and PM Ash etc have more of a personality than XY Ash. XY Ash is a literal SAO Kirito.
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>>43102891 Luffy did matured, but he didn't transform into a complete different character like Ash.
Take Caster Gilgamesh from example which he become after his Character development. Did he completely changed? Nope since he is still prideful, sassy, arrogant, boastful and snarky as he always was. The only difference between Archer and Caster Gilgamesh is that Caster Gilgamesh is more wiser, responsible and respectful. That is call Character development.
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>>43102921 >the continuity people crave is something from the past having an impact on the present Exactly. Ash's adventures are entirely disjoint after XY and that's the problem here.
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>>43102930 "after XY"
No series had impact, just OS because it was 1 series with Kanto and Johto.
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>>43102902 So you ignored the Bulbasaur point too? And they came back twice
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You don't need to mention the past to make a good story. It's useful, but not necessary. And XY Ash is written in such a way that he's clearly experienced, so you can consider that implicit continuity.
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>>43102927 >XY Ash is a literal SAO Kirito. Sorry, I do not recall Ash being invincible, or him getting the hearts of four different girls in just one season, or even him being so broken to the point of being able to kill the bad guy while he's dying.
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>>43102812 He wants to fight in battles, maybe even join up with CHADtoshi.
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>>43102930 There was zero continuity in XY
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>>43102927 >Memefaces = personality Oh, it's you again
>>43102928 >Fate analogy Also it's not "development" because you didn't see it happen at all. You're introduced to CasGil the moment you step into Babylonia. It's basically timeskip shenanigans.
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>>43102812 >>43102942 He being a Tsundere, he cares about Pikachu but refuse to show it.
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>>43102940 Personality wise.
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>>43102945 >Also it's not "development" because you didn't see it happen at all. It is development because many people knows about Gilgamesh's epic. Fate Babylonia take place after the epic showing the Gilgamesh that mature in his journey.
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>>43102945 Memefaces were great but OS, SM Ash and PM Ash at the least knew how to get excited, feel empathy, sadness and enjoy life. XY Ash couldn't do any of that but get mad that one time Serena didn't know what she was saying.
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>>43101893 Scott really was an insufferable faggot, it’s crazy after all these years I vividly remember his username and always being an twat in every thread
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>>43102948 Still no. Being righteous and claiming to fight for others like Ash did is an elder trope. By that fucking logic, the Green Knight from literature is a Gary Stu.
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>>43102956 Isn't he from one of those forums? Exactly how was he bad?
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>>43102951 Knowing about something is not the same as seeing it happen, dumbass. Development occurs when you travel from point A to B. You don't see Gil traverse the path at all. All you can see is the outcome that is CasGil.
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>>43102959 Being a Gary Stu and a blank slate is completely different thing. XY Ash was the epitome of Shonen protags with no personality and just did things for the plot. There isn't any kid who could understand this and only find it cringe.
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What move did Electrode uses against Gengar since it works on a ghost type?
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>>43102970 Rollout would make sense i ain’t japanese tho
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>>43102952 >XY ash didn't get excited, feel empathy/sadness and enjoy life Get a load of this bullshit. Thanks for proving that you didn't watch XY
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>>43102967 >just did things for the plot Ash wants to be some kind of god among pokémon trainers. He fights people to achieve that, and after making so many friends and dealing with so many assholes, there's no reason to believe that he wouldn't do his righteous actions.
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>>43102961 >Knowing about something is not the same as seeing it happen, It is the same thing,
It as if claiming that none of the character from a book doesn't receive any character development unless somebody adapts the book into movie, anime or TV show.
Caster Gilgamesh is the mature Gilgamesh who received his character development in the epic. Actually the entire Gilgamesh's character were based from the epic.
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>>43102973 Rollout doesn't affect Ghost type
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>>43102983 Yes it does, it's a rock type move.
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>>43102983 the person who dont play game
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Damn gengar is op
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>>43102988 I thought that physical moves like Volt Tackle or Dragon Rush could beat it but I guess I was wrong.
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>>43102977 When has he felt that without going Pokemon battoru battoru?
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Is it really true XY Ash did not have a personality?
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>>43102855 The problem ppl have is the Anime doing the bare minimum
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>>43102995 He did, but it was very different compared to his personality before or after XY.
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>>43102995 He had a personality but no nuance. He was always extremely happy, extremely pumped, extremely frustrated.
There was no ambiguity as to what he was feeling at any time, and if there was, he would tell you.
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>>43102995 He didn't. I'm amazed people still defend it pretending he did.
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>>43101085 I agree. I love when OPS start with a grim reminder
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>>43101427 >talking to yourself Why are you so mad? this is what the amourfag reply looks like
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>>43103020 Would you say Kirito has a personality? XY Ash is the same thing.
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>>43102170 We were talking about pokemon, not yokai watch. Doesn't change the fact that SM is still the lowest rated pokemon anime series and got the series moved to a deathslot.
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>>43103023 He had a personality. if he didn't he'd be neutral/stoic all the time like Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star.
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>>43103039 Boruto also changed timeslots and rates even worse than Pokemon, and yet no one ever brings up Boruto's ratings.
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>>43102995 XY Ash felt like a furniture who is programmed to act like how a "hero" suppose to act all the time. Because of that, he doesn't stand out as a protagonist or character.
No personality does not mean a character with no expression. It mean a protagonist who's personality is so generic and common that he doesn't even stand out as his own character. Example : Shin from Wiseman's Grandchild.
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>>43103044 >Boruto also changed timeslots and rates even worse than Pokemon Boruto is literally the highest rated show on tv tokyo and streaming.
https://comicbook.com/anime/2019/11/04/boruto-naruto-next-generations-anime-ratings-popularity/ So not only are you anti-xy, you're anti facts. Pathetic.
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>>43103039 >Doesn't change the fact that SM is still the lowest rated pokemon anime series Pokemon started losing rating since BW series while XY series didn't helped at all. In fact people faith toward anipoke nearly died after Ash lost the Kalos League.
Also S/M series rating started to drop with the timeslot change since they has to compete with Makuro-chan.
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>>43103058 The timeslot changed because no one watched the show and unlike during XY it didn't even scrape the top 5
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>>43103057 >not only are you anti-xy What are you talking about? I never even once brought up XY in my post.
And that's not entirely true. It's true that Boruto is TV Tokyo's most profitable series, but its ratings have rarely ever been enough to make it to the Top 10. Even during the XY and SM days, Naruto/Boruto rarely made it to the Top 10 while XY/SM often did before the timeslot change.
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Only complaint I have about the episode is that the battle didn't start until half the episode was already over.
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>>43103072 We were talking about XY and you jumped in. now you have to lose too. XY regularly scraped the bottom of the top 5, SM couldn't pull that off. Nobody watched it.
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>>43103070 That's not true. Boruto and Pokemon changed timeslots because new executives at TV Tokyo wanted to have a timeslot on Sundays for family viewers, and Boruto/Pokemon to them fit that demographic. And ratings for all shows, not just Pokemon, have been in decline for years. So even if declining ratings were a factor, it's not Pokemon's fault, it's the changing market.
They weren't even the only shows to change timeslots. Cocotama and Aikatsu also switched days, it affected most shows and not just Pokemon specifically.
>>43103081 That could be partly because a lot of the viewers were switching over to streaming sites around SM's time. Anime streaming in Japan wasn't booming yet during XY, it was around SM when it really became a force.
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>>43102994 helping serena cook. He even made meme faces when eating poffles.
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>>43103081 Saying that XY was doing well in ratings and SM wasn't is revisionism. I was here during XY and even back then there were already people here posting about how worried they were about the ratings, since they saw they were getting lower and lower, and sometimes didn't even make the Top 10. It's true that SM had lower ratings than XY, but by the metrics you're using, XY wasn't exactly doing great either.
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>>43102291 No actually Ash is like Anpanman
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>>43103090 >i-it was streaming >doesn't post streaming numbers because they were also bad kek.
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>>43103099 XY was struggling but it was doing better than SM which absolutely tanked.
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>>43103101 >streaming numbers were also bad Prove it
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>>43103103 The anon was claiming that the declining ratings were SM's fault, when in reality it really began with BW and just went downhill before.
Also, all this talk is meaningless since the staff already said they don't care about the ratings anymore, they care more about profits and merchandise instead.
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>>43103101 because we don't have streaming numbers.
We now have YouTube's numbers of PM because we can see the full playlist until april
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>>43102995 No. Ash has always been fairly stagnant in terms of personality after his character development after OS. Kinf of like Misty. Ash was just less of a butt monkey in XY and SM heavily contrast that in comparison. Ash is heavily expressive in SM because of his Genki personality. It's a huge contrast
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Ash needs more fucking pokemon to use, getting extremely tired of Pikachu now. WHY can't they use his pokemon at Oak's? Give me ONE fucking good reason.
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There's only 2 ways to go about this if people actually care about ash's personality>You remove XY from existence so it's the story of a dork who tried really hard and with the help of all of his friends and his adoptive family found the strenght to become a regional champ and currently aims to become world champ >You remove sun and moon and pocket monsters from existence so it's the story of a dork who tried really hard until he became really cool and even if he ended up in second place he realized for the first time that there's more to life than pokemon battles after a girl kissed him
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Why is Raboot so tsundere?
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>>43103112 And how are they?
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>>43103057 Boruto never been in the Top 10 Japanese TV ranking, I cheeked those rating.
Boruto is not the high rated show , Sazae-san and Maruko-chan are
>>43103070 I cheek S/M rating before the timeslot change and it was always in the Top 10 ranking list until the executive change its timeslot.
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>>43103120 >it was always in the Top 10 ranking list Not really. Towards the time of the timeslot change it was actually outside the Top 10 more often than it was inside, though it was still doing better than Boruto.
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>>43103103 Oh ya like most people would wanted to a series another try that just give them a BIG MIDDLE FINGER.
XY series destroyed any sort of faith fans had left for the series and S/M series had to clean its mess despite being hanicapped by a region like Alola that had no gyms.
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>>43103109 I don't get this. More ratings means more profits.
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>>43103103 Oh ya like most people would wanted to give a show another try that just give them a BIG MIDDLE FINGER.
XY series destroyed any sort of faith fans had left for the series and S/M series had to clean its mess despite being hanicapped by a region like Alola that had no gyms.
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>>43103043 XY Ash is always neutral and stoic until it comes to battling.
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>>43103127 It really depends on the circumstances, the timeslot, and the purpose of the anime. Late-night anime air past midnight and probably have terrible ratings, does that mean they're not profitable? In addition, we live in the age of streaming now, television isn't the only way to watch TV shows anymore. And even without that, television ratings across the board are going down, since more and more people have other things to do instead of just watching TV.
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>>43103129 XY was fairly well-received until the League. The League was really when a lot of people turned against it, but until that point most people who watched it enjoyed it.
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>>43103098 That isn't much personality when he always enjoys eating food. The way they portrayed SM Ash eating Lillie's Poffles was way better and had better personality.
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Lets be honest, if XY series was huge success and S/M series was a failure than the executives would have gone back to XY series,
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>>43103044 Pokemon OS-DP is Naruto, Pokemon XY is Naruto Shippuuden, and Pokemon SM-PM2019 is Boruto in terms of quality. BW is the ostrich filler.
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>>43102376 I really like that pic, maybe i should clean it up a bit and make a colored version
Man i wanted to see marnie in the new anime, just to see how ash would react to a goth tsun but it seems like aurelia really is cute and canon,the people behind the anime must have realized there was no way to make something more cute than chill ash and lillie
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>>43103139 It's not even the SM style, it's more of a hybrid of XY and SM's. The characters are more reminiscent of SM, but battles and other aspects are closer to XY.
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>>43103145 This is actually very based post. If you have the time and patience please make a clean and colored version of it.
I want to see Ash interact with Marnie as she is the goth Lillie. Of course, no ship can easily top what Aurelia did at the end of their farewell.
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>>43103134 >XY was fairly well-received until the League No it wasn't! people were only interested in XY series because of Ash possibly winning the League.
Before that people were complaining about Serena's lack of goal & personality, Ash still not receiving Mega evolved pokemon, releasing Goodra for no actual reason, three flying type pokenon in one team, No actual comedy or humor, boring and cringe group chemistry, screwing Ash's chance of mega evolved pokemon for an anime exclusive transformation etc etc.
XY series was never truly well received, it was only popular among Shippers on Internet. Most target audience of anipoke preferred Youkai Watch over XY series due to the lack of comedy which is why S/M series was more comedy.
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>>43103147 >battles No they have the screamo background instead of the 3D camera.
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>>43103156 I'm talking about the art style and coloring, not the 3D camera. And the 3D camera wasn't used often in XY anyway, only during important battles.
>>43103155 >boring and cringe group chemistry Clemont-Bonnie and Ash-Clemont relationships were fairly well-received. If anything, it was Serena's interactions with anyone not named Ash that were criticized.
>screwing Ash's chance of mega evolved pokemon for an anime exclusive transformation etc etc. Ash-Greninja was still very popular, and its "release" or whatever you call it was very unpopular with viewers for that reason.
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>episode just ended >the rest of the thread is just another XY vs. SM debate
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>>43103109 >>43103129 anon, I posted a ratings/profitability chart. SM sank the series whereas XY still scrapped by. PM got handicapped by SM
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>>43103147 >but battles and other aspects are closer to XY. Because Battles are the only thing that XY series did better than other pokemon series. However it does not change that XY and XY&Z series sucked as direction, characterization, writing and comedy.
We are talking about a series that shamelessly favor one character over everybody despite that same guy doomed an entire region, helped the bad guy catch the main legendary, hurt everybody close to him and allowed the bad guys to kidnapped Ash. Worst part is that character didn't even faced any consequence and got rewarded instead. THIS IS NOT HOW A GOOD SERIES WORKED.
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>Raichu actually was being so superior to Pikachu that Ash had to recall Pikachu >The Gengar battles >That OP Electrode
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>>43103135 They're the same character you dunce.
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>>43103174 and yet we're still talking about XY today, and the direction, characterization, writing and comedy. was so good yajima got promoted to being in charge of the movies. Sounds likke you're a hater
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>>43103174 Dude, we get it. You hate Alain. You don't have to splerg about him every thread, we get the point. A lot of us hate how the league turned out too, but it's been four years. No need to dwell on the past anymore.
Just let us discuss the new series in peace.
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>muh personality
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>>43103180 I bet if Serena didn't exist you wouldn't even care one bit about XY.
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>>43103176 >same character not really. Lillie would never like to be with a stoic retard like XY Ash. Lillie likes the fun, cute and happy SM Ash.
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>>43102592 Every time i see that pic it reminds me that i have only fucked tatooed slutty girls with shit personalities and i’ll never deserve a pure gf like serena, Dave was right but i was dumb and horny
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>>43103180 >yajima in charge of worst season of pokemon anime >yajima put in charge of movies >all recent movies are the worst pokemon movies we've ever seen Anonymous
>>43103194 You are lucky because Serena is pretty slutty.
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>>43103115 The show is not targeted towards you anymore, it’s targeted towards the current generation of kids and they’ve never seen Ash’s reserves before. Showing them now will confuse them. :^)
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>>43103190 >Fun, cute and happy Nice way of spelling Retarded
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>>43103115 Its honestly beyond me why they haven't let Ash bring back his old mons. They writers seem incredibly henged on giving Ash a staple Team.
>>43103155 >No it wasn't! people were only interested in XY series because of Ash possibly winning the League. This is correct, everything else you said is up for opinion. Before XY, this series might as well been dead in the water. Only hardcore fans continue watching the series. The Ash vs Shota fight was one of the incredibly rare times Pokemon Anime has ever gone viral.
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If Ash hops between Gyms to challenge Gym Trainers for ranking, it would make total sense for him to battle (and for the show to introduce) Janine.
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>>43103184 but she does exist anon.
>>43103195 >t-they were all bad because I say so ratings say otherwise, anon. I choose you did well enough to earn a world wide theatrical run. Sorry reality favors XY
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>>43103218 Yajima wasn't in-charge of I choose you retard. Also stop replying to obvious trolls
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Why are XYfags so obsessed with Yajima anyway, and what makes him so special that XYfags keep sucking on his dick? You never see OSfags circlejerking about Yuyama, SMfags sucking Tomiyasu's dick, PM2019fags worshiping the current director, and so on. It's only Yajima that has his own cult.
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>>43103166 >Serena and Millfeui interaction boring Dude.
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>>43103213 I just don't understand who this season is intended for? It's obviously not for newcucks/galarfags because the anime is doing it's own things now. It's also not for oldkeks and nostalgiashitters because all it does is cocktease us with potential cameos and references without delivering shit. So who the fuck is the demographic?
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>>43103245 >expecting cameos four months into a new anime Anonymous
>>43103247 >lance cameos >is shocked people expect more cameos Anonymous
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>>43103247 >Expecting old characters and elements to play a role in the new plot/story is a bad thing The absolute state of pokeniggers. This anime has cucked you for so long that you've become a submissive little bitch
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>>43103254 Lance getting that cameo actually did come as a surprise when it was first announced.
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>>43103180 >yet we're still talking about XY today, and the direction, characterization, writing and comedy. was so good That both Director and headwriters were replaced right after the series ended. Yajima probably got to direct some movie because there is less chance of him screwing it to favor another new Alain. Even though he still trying to do just that.
Didn't Daiki Tomiyasu got promoted to Kunihiko Yuyama's position?
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>>43103254 Dude you definitely know what we actually mean. IF Ash had some explicit expositional dialogue with Lance with flashbacks, then that would count. I mean, One Piece does this quite a lot.
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>>43103211 >The Ash vs Shota fight was one of the incredibly rare times Pokemon Anime has ever gone viral. Only because XY was promoted as the series where Ash wins the League! Which is why it also lead to one of the biggest backlash that anipoke ever received.
After all, its even worst to hype fans for something only to troll them at the end. Zero hype is better than trolling.
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>>43103260 Tomiyasu is now the "Chief Director" of the anime, with Yuyama being a "Creative Supervisor". Meanwhile Yajima took over as director for the AU movies.
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>>43103266 >IF Ash had some explicit expositional dialogue with Lance with flashbacks, then that would count. That's a really stupid criteria considering the show still acknowledges things like Lance being a G-man
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>>43103280 No, it's just that you're an obsessed toxic damage controller.
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>>43103166 >Clemont-Bonnie and Ash-Clemont relationships were fairly well-received Nope, Clemont was just another male clone of Serena. In fact the entire XY group didn't felt like a group of kids as friends. It felt like two lackey's following one guy and treating him as the center of their world
>Ash-Greninja was still very popular, .
Wrong, Greninja was popular from the moment he was introduce in the game, People actually complained about shoving something anime exclusive instead off giving Ash a real mega evolved pokemon. The fact that Ash-Greninja lost to a Mega Charizard X that Ash should have gotten just adds more salts.
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>>43103292 They should've just given Greninja a Mega form.
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>>43103292 >>43103292 iirc people rightfully assumed that Ash-Greninja was a Greninja Mega evo. that was gonna show up in the third Gen VI version (ALONG WITH THE OTHER STARTERS!!!)
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I love how an interview with Yajima and Yuyama for The Power of Us (
http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/movies/2018_pm_everyones_story/pm_everyones_story_press_mantanweb_yuyama_yajima.html ) confirmed that higher ups were impressed by Yajima's work in XY and it's what convinced them to give him the key to the movies, and the fact Coco still has him in charge and is even writing the plot means that TPOU pleased the higher ups as well.
XY was very much appreciated by the guys in charge, regardless of what haters say.
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>>43103303 Why don't you want to move on from XY?
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>>43103288 >Continuity doesn't count unless it's MY specific criteria Alright you absolute mong
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>>43103181 Coming from somebody who can't even let go off Serena or XY series!
As long as there are fake fans spreading misinformation about XY being good, I have to remind people that XY series just a flashy series about Yajima using Pokemon and Ash to promote his own self inserted original character from his personal fan fiction that nobody would ever read.
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>>43103307 >nobody would ever read Then why is XY so popular in the fandom? Maybe Yajima's ideas were actually good?
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>>43103303 >higher-ups were impressed by Yajima's work on the anime >higher-ups were also impressed by SWSH Anonymous
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>>43103303 Why are you so obssessed with Yajima? Why is he the only director that's so special that he needs to be worshiped? You never see this for Yuyama, Tomiyasu or any other director, only Yajima seems to get special treatment.
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>>43102995 No personality whatsoever. He basically reacted to everything with a smile on his face
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>>43103303 Based. Also the movies are what bring revenues so being promoted to the movie director is a pretty prestigious position. I'm glad Yajima's here to stay forever
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>>43103303 NONONO XY NEEDS TO BE HATED
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>>43102995 He's definitely more subdued than other regions but I wouldn't say he doesn't have one
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>>43103181 It's fucking Famon. Best way to deal with this autist is to ignore his posts.
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>>43103303 >impressed by XY >anime tries hard to stray away from XY hmmm? something isn't adding up here, anon my dear.
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>>43103303 Tomiyasu got promoted to Chief Director after his stint as SM director. Does that mean the higher ups were impressed with him too?
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>>43103307 Shut the fuck up Famon. Go away. We don't want your shitty posts here.
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>>43103392 Of course. SM was well received
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>House pet beats Gengar >Pikachu loses to Raichu >Gengar beats Raichu easily
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I still don't get why it's only Yajima that people ever seem to talk about in these threads. You rarely ever see people talking about other directors. Not even Yuyama gets brings up much, and he was the longest-serving director and a veteran of the series.
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>>43103401 gengar didnt get knocked out just pushed out of the house by the power of friendship
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>>43103392 Meanwhile
>The guy who came up with satoshi's SM design gets fired Lmao
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>>43103390 >anime tries hard to stray away from XY The movies don't. The anime tried to copy Yokai watch and now it's suffering for it.
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>>43103403 Because Famon is obsessed with Yajima
It's literally the same guy who brings him up every time.
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>>43103408 If they aren't applying XY formula to the anime despite it's success it just proves that it wasn't successful. And the movie has taken a toll since Yajima did the movies so.. that information isn't adding up. From what we're given currently SM and PM are doing great and XY has been suffering bad.
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>>43103417 >If they aren't applying XY formula to the anime despite it's success it just proves that it wasn't successful. it wasn't as successful as yokai watch. Which is why they tried to copy it and failed while keeping the XY formula for the movies and even reintegrating the more action focused elements into PM.
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>>43103409 Explain
>>43103303 and
>>43103180 then. I'm pretty sure that's not Famon.
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>This nibba runs and acts like Boruto Pickedup
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>>43103425 Yokai watch was a success which is why SM and PM stayed with the same formula. As for the movies, it failed due to the XY method. Thus PM has actually integrated more SM due to staying at the lab and having few battles from here and there like in SM during battles during trials and Kahunas. XY is the one falling behind from popularity.
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>>43103417 What the fuck is XY formula? The status quo has been a thing since OS you dumb newshit. XY wasn't any different from AG/DP/OS/BW. It was the same old formula, rinse and repeat. Also PM isn't remotely similar to SM. Besides the art style both of these seasons have nothing in common ranging from the plot to the battles and the aesthetic.
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>>43103323 >Then why is XY so popular in the fandom? Because XY wasn't really popular, it only look popular on Internet.
Its like how Lana's Mom or Dexit seem so popular on Internet when they actually aren't popular. XY series is only liked by bunch of neets from Internet that prefer power fantasy anime with flashy animation and pretty girls like Wiseman's Grandchild. Since they spend most of their time on Internet so they make a series look popular despite being only 1.0% of the fandom.
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>>43103445 It actually looks pretty bad. No one cares. I actually get annoyed by the low paper quality art he does in order to show off to his followers.
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>>43103448 >PM and SM isn't the same I already gave you the examples, ranging from the comedy, less battling, SM styled animated battles, meme faces, Ash's personality, simplicity and many more. XY is just the series where they used fancy flashy camera work making battles their main focus which PM and SM stray away from.
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>>43103464 PM is actually about traveling and also includes CotDs unlike SM. Also if Ash's face was so beautiful in SM why did they change it? PM also has a huge focus on battles you fucking liar.
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>>43103482 PM is pretty similar to how SM Ash does things considering he stays at the lab the whole day. He just moves around more because he has the whole region to explore while during SM its just the 4 islands. But it's the same formula.
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>>43103482 They didn't change Ash's face at all as much as you expect. If they wanted they would have changed it back to XY but they didn't knowing it was a horrible idea.
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>>43102846 The order should have made it obvious along with the ninja pose
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>>43103198 A girl who reserves herself for a single man isn't a slut. Sluts are those who expose her intimates to everyone or craves for every orange islands' dick.
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>>43102867 They literally reused the same newspaper, flipped it and thought nobody would notice. It was just them cutting corners like they tend to do with recycled older animations
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>>43103778 So Serena because she blushes to any guy even Trevor and Tierno.
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>>43103171 Sorry to say you’re definitely not gonna find real discussion of the episodes here. Only way you’ll get that is with a Pokémon forum
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>>43103392 Yes, Tomiyasu clearly impressed the higher-ups too. Meaning SM and XY were equally well-received. They just put their talents in different avenues.
