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Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 23:42:15 No.43107989 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>43108064 >>43108078 >>43108162 >>43108165 >>43108322 >>43109541 >>43110243 >>43111942 >>43112294 >>43112390 >>43113437 >>43118143 >>43119010 >>43119200

>OU currently the best it's ever been now that nigger-tier sooper dooper ultra mega special god evolution move gimmicks aren't shitting up the meta
>VGC is literally just full of macrofags thinking that their meta is superior to the "fanfic meta" because it has an official sticker on it despite it being complete dogshit
OH NO NO NO NO HOO HOO

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Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 23:53:36 No.43108064 Report

Quoted By: >>43108119

>>43107989
>>OU currently the best it's ever been
I hope you mean for just Gen 8

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Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 23:55:30 No.43108078 Report

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>>43107989
>>OU currently the best it's ever been

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:02:14 No.43108119 Report

Quoted By: >>43108134 >>43108173 >>43109355 >>43109364 >>43110262

>>43108064
Best it's ever been since the switch to 3D.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:03:48 No.43108134 Report

Quoted By: >>43108144 >>43108166

>>43108119
That's an awfully low standard though

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:04:48 No.43108144 Report

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>>43108134
but it's undeniably true that it's more """balanced""" than it's been since 2013

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:06:43 No.43108162 Report

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>>43107989
Getting rid of Dynamaxing was Smogon's first ever non-retarded decision.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:07:23 No.43108165 Report

Quoted By: >>43114898

>>43107989
I personally liked gen 4's meta more, but that is probably due to the fact I was in high school when gen 4 came out and I spent a lot of time on Shoddy and Showdown playing OU and UU mostly. I also made a lot of friends with the bigger names in the competitive community like stevo188, NotsoEmoEmo, Symphonyx64, and others. They were great people, lost contact with all of them, unfortunately.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:07:24 No.43108166 Report

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>>43108134
I'm a Pokemon fan. Of course I have low standards.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:08:08 No.43108173 Report

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>>43108119
Hell to the fuck no.
Gen 7 is vastly superior to Gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:08:56 No.43108177 Report

Quoted By: >>43108207

>Less Pokémon in OU than in Gen 4 through 7
Nice meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:12:41 No.43108207 Report

Quoted By: >>43111934

>>43108177
The dex cut is Gen 8's real gimmick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:24:23 No.43108300 Report

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VGC is pretty fun. Dynamax lets you try things with hustle and other pokemon that get coverage but not enough hp otherwise. Also you don't have to worry too much about entry hazards, and switching can be much more rewarding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:27:29 No.43108322 Report

Quoted By: >>43108468 >>43109905

>>43107989
>Singles is less fun than doubles
>Useage-based tiers are essential to have fun in a game balanced the way Pokemon is
Why do I have to choose? Why can't VGC make their own OU/UU games to spice things up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:43:57 No.43108468 Report

Quoted By: >>43108501 >>43108906

>>43108322
Because GameFreak doesn’t know how to balance, usage would be heavily skewed by shillmons, and they don’t want children upset that Lucario is RU if it managed to get that low.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:46:56 No.43108501 Report

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>>43108468
>Because GameFreak doesn’t know how to balance
But isn't that exactly the reason Smogon came up with tiers to begin with? Pokemon will always have better and worse Pokemon, there's no chance of ever changing that. Tiers means most Pokemon can have some use somewhere rather than only a select handful dominating every game.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 01:36:46 No.43108906 Report

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>>43108468
If there was going to be a tier list, it would need to have an algorithm, because GF isn't competent enough to do it manually.
Maybe instead of being pure usage, the amount of wins would also be factored into the tiering.
And as for children, the cursor could be on the lowest tier you can use your team in by default. If you try to go to a lower one, the game can say the offending Pokemon is too strong, which should be simple enough for kids to understand. If you try to go to a higher one, good luck I guess?
I don't think children would complain too much if their favorites are low tier. They'd just use their favorites anyway and probably not even pay attention to tiers.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 02:31:30 No.43109355 Report

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>>43108119
both oras and usum are better tiers atp

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 02:33:10 No.43109364 Report

Quoted By: >>43111461 >>43111488

>>43108119
Late XY will never be matched delusional cuck

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 02:34:33 No.43109377 Report

Quoted By: >>43109392 >>43111162 >>43111949

It'll be a lot better if Dracovish gets banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 02:36:43 No.43109392 Report

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>>43109377
Git gud

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 02:55:58 No.43109541 Report

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>>43107989
>OU currently the best it's ever been
doubt.jpg

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 03:58:10 No.43109905 Report

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>>43108322
Smogon doubles exists and has some usage tiers, I think. competitive pokemon is lame desu

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 04:51:57 No.43110243 Report

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>>43107989
>OU currently the best it's ever been
no sir

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 04:55:03 No.43110262 Report

Quoted By: >>43111187 >>43111877 >>43118957

>>43108119
I get that /vp/ is bad but ORAS and late USUM are pretty highly regarded among the competetive community.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 07:41:48 No.43111162 Report

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>>43109377
Dracovish isn't too bad.
It's easy to counter if you're prepared.
All it does is punish noobs and plebs.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 07:44:16 No.43111174 Report

Quoted By: >>43111208 >>43111945

Why do people use Incineroar so much?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 07:45:42 No.43111187 Report

Quoted By: >>43111312 >>43111319 >>43111877

>>43110262
>late usum
literally two bans happened during usum's entire run, and the first happened within two weeks of the games' release
for all intents and purposes late usum is virtually identical to week-3 usum

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 07:48:46 No.43111208 Report

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>>43111174
Intimidate, Fake Out, Parting Shot, U-Turn, Snarl.
It's got insanely good utility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 07:56:48 No.43111256 Report

Quoted By: >>43111285 >>43111295

does smogon allow all pokemon, or just the ones in galar? what about showdown?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:02:15 No.43111285 Report

Quoted By: >>43111313

>>43111256
omgon has two tiers, one for mons actually in gen 8, and one for all mons
showdown uses omgon rules

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:04:57 No.43111295 Report

Quoted By: >>43111313

>>43111256
There's different formats.
Natdex and Natdex AG allow Pokemon that aren't in Galar. These are only playable on Showdown.
The others only allow Galar mons.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:10:13 No.43111312 Report

Quoted By: >>43111339

>>43111187
you gotta have negative iq to post something like this

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:10:35 No.43111313 Report

Quoted By: >>43111321

>>43111285
>>43111295
which one is more popular? and which one is generally thought to be more interesting?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:11:43 No.43111319 Report

Quoted By: >>43111339

>>43111187
>for all intents and purposes late usum is virtually identical to week-3 usum
kek

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:12:10 No.43111321 Report

Quoted By: >>43111340

>>43111313
Regular OU is the most popular, but Natdex AG is by far the most interesting by virtue of allowing whatever asinine shit you want to use.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:16:43 No.43111339 Report

Quoted By: >>43111401

>>43111312
>>43111319
name one thing that changed from usum week 3 to swsh release aside from zygarde fucking off
you literally cannot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:17:06 No.43111340 Report

Quoted By: >>43111374

>>43111321
I am very interested to see how my old bros are doing in this new meta

Do they still allow cut moves as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:29:42 No.43111374 Report

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>>43111340
Yep.
Somewhat controversially, they allow hidden power to become the Dynamax move of its respective type.
That way every Pokemon can have a powerful max move of any type and set up any secondary effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:35:09 No.43111401 Report

Quoted By: >>43111419

>>43111339
https://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-12/gen7ou-1695.txt
https://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-12/moveset/gen7ou-1695.txt
https://www.smogon.com/stats/2019-11/gen7ou-1695.txt
https://www.smogon.com/stats/2019-11/moveset/gen7ou-1695.txt
>Tornadus went from UU to top 9
>Hawlucha fell off hard
>Serperior rose a fuck load
>Victini went from niche to staple on HO
>Keldeo fell off the face of the Earth
>Latios dead
>Tangrowth overtook bulu but then bulu took his place back
>Rain makes a comeback
>Blacephalon dead
>Both Tyranitars fell off
>Azumarill made a minor comeback
>Landorus goes from being mostly defensive or Z to being almost all scarf
I'd list more set changes but my internet's being shitty and doesn't wanna load the stat pages.
You know metas develop all the time and not just when bans happen right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:40:35 No.43111419 Report

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>>43111401
Also garchomp stopped being a shitmon when people began to use the Z-Rock set

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:52:03 No.43111461 Report

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>>43109364
amen

gen 6 was perfect from start to finish in just about every tier

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:58:11 No.43111488 Report

Quoted By: >>43111571

>>43109364
i think you mean prebank xy, anon

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 09:20:51 No.43111571 Report

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>>43111488
yikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 11:05:29 No.43111877 Report

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>>43110262
usum is pretty aids because of how important matchup is. better than dugtrio hell though
>>43111187
you clearly do not remember zygarde meta

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 11:20:49 No.43111934 Report

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>>43108207
let's hope that gimmick goes away next gen like all of them do

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 11:25:31 No.43111942 Report

Quoted By: >>43112865

>>43107989
>Dominant mons

NOOOO STOPP WE CANT HAVE THOSE. It was bad when weather was dominant and also bad when stall was dominant and also bad when bulkmons were dominant and

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 11:27:45 No.43111945 Report

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>>43111174
Intimidate + Assault Vest + Snarl, Parting Shot, or U-turn is insanely good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 11:29:02 No.43111949 Report

Quoted By: >>43112090 >>43112274

>>43109377
Just pack a mon with water absorb. And wouldnt you know it, Seismitoad AND Lapras have it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 12:20:36 No.43112090 Report

Quoted By: >>43112130

>>43111949
>Lapras
this mon blows why do people shill it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 12:36:02 No.43112130 Report

Quoted By: >>43112152

>>43112090
Maybe give it a google search instead of being a know-nothing retard for once. Lapras dominates right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 12:41:29 No.43112152 Report

Quoted By: >>43112187

>>43112130
we're talking about singles ou sperg

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 12:48:26 No.43112187 Report

Quoted By: >>43112200

>>43112152
Lapras can still Gmax in singles. Unless you mean pure smogon where dmaxing is banned, then obviously Lapras isnt too hot, but i'll presume you're not talking about the poorfag sim

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 12:52:03 No.43112200 Report

Quoted By: >>43112211 >>43112234

>>43112187
lapras is infinitely worse in all singles formats, running a bad mon for a good gmax effect is not worth it
>Unless you mean pure smogon where dmaxing is banned
the first post you responded to made mention of a dracovish ban. my post is explicitly about 'singles ou'. why would you assume anything else, if you're not merely pretending

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 12:54:48 No.43112211 Report

Quoted By: >>43119192

>>43112200
Not him btw i should mention, but you still come off uninformed as hell, Lapras setting up an Aurora Veil for your whole team and being guaranteed a Weakness Policy due to double HP is amazing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 12:59:49 No.43112234 Report

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>>43112200
single digit iq can't even pretend
also, checked

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 13:08:38 No.43112274 Report

Quoted By: >>43112281 >>43112327 >>43114222

>>43111949
>needing a dedicated check
>not a check if you mispredict

That isnt healthy at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 13:10:34 No.43112281 Report

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>>43112274
If it isn’t then they would’ve banned it. So...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 13:14:15 No.43112294 Report

Quoted By: >>43112330

>>43107989
>my turd is better than theirs
Competitive pokemon is shit no matter who makes the rules, the fucking games have always had an awful combat system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 13:24:22 No.43112327 Report

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>>43112274
Those two examples are good on their own so you're not losing out by slotting them anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 13:25:33 No.43112330 Report

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>>43112294
Lol shut the fuck up retard why are you even in this thread

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 13:39:19 No.43112390 Report

Quoted By: >>43113371

>>43107989
>OU currently the best it's ever been now
Room temperature IQ take

One look at SPL replays reveals what a joke current top level OU is

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 15:16:25 No.43112865 Report

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>>43111942
>soijak
>whataboutism
go back to your containment subreddit, faggot

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 16:31:57 No.43113371 Report

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>>43112390
Jesus... It really is that bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 16:39:31 No.43113437 Report

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>>43107989
>we removed pokemon for balance
>btw here’s the best doubles mon in the game still here for you to use
Fuck off, Gamefreak. You should’ve gone balls to the wall when removing pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 18:34:55 No.43114222 Report

Quoted By: >>43114296 >>43116490

>>43112274
>not a check if you mispredict
How can you mispredict? Dracovish only uses one move.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 18:47:04 No.43114296 Report

Quoted By: >>43117395

>>43114222
low elo post

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 18:47:04 No.43114297 Report

Quoted By: >>43114553 >>43115087 >>43116086

Gens 1 and 4 OU were the best and nothing will ever top them. Those were times without
>skarmbliss, umbreon, and curselax stall faggotry
>weather wars and genies
>megacancer, fairies, and birdspam
>toxapex stall faggotry, tapushit, and z-cancer
>unga bunga and fishspam

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:16:43 No.43114553 Report

Quoted By: >>43114915

>>43114297
>Gens 1 and 4 OU were the best
Turn 105
The opposing Starmie used Thunder Wave!
Chansey is already paralyzed.
Chansey used Thunder Wave!
The opposing Starmie is already paralyzed.

Turn 106
The opposing Starmie is paralyzed! It can't move!
Chansey is paralyzed! It can't move!

Turn 107
The opposing Starmie is paralyzed! It can't move!
Chansey used Thunder Wave!
The opposing Starmie is already paralyzed.

Turn 108
The opposing Starmie used Thunder Wave!
Chansey is already paralyzed.
Chansey used Thunder Wave!
The opposing Starmie is already paralyzed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:55:47 No.43114898 Report

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>>43108165
Is there still a battle simulator?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:57:28 No.43114915 Report

Quoted By: >>43115024

>>43114553
Not anyone's fault that you suck and can't play for shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 20:11:44 No.43115024 Report

Quoted By: >>43118273

>>43114915
That's from an SPL replay buddy

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 20:19:38 No.43115087 Report

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>>43114297
>Gen 4 OU
>no SkarmBliss
Someone should tell him

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 22:19:31 No.43116086 Report

Quoted By: >>43116192

>>43114297
Weather wars were based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 22:32:54 No.43116192 Report

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>>43116086
Nah fuck weather wars. But at least it's not as bad as gen 8 weather wars

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 23:08:21 No.43116490 Report

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>>43114222
Look, a prime target for Sub Metronome!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 01:17:01 No.43117395 Report

Quoted By: >>43117440 >>43117444

>>43114296
Literally what else does Dracovish use other than fishious rend?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 01:23:40 No.43117440 Report

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>>43117395
whatever it needs to to hit the obvious water absorber? you do realize it has three other moveslots for such an occasion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 01:23:55 No.43117444 Report

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>>43117395
At 1000-1300 elo the only thing retards click is fishious rend despite there being a seismitoad on the other team.
The 1400 elo tryhards always psychic fang/crunch/outrage the obvious seismitoad switch in.
Above 1600 elo everyone fishes rends on the predicted pivot, knowing the opponent won't want their toad to get chipped.
At 1700 they go back to always clicking the coverage move.
Then at 1800 everyone stops using dracovish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:18:32 No.43118143 Report

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>>43107989
>OU currently the best it's ever been
How so?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:48:42 No.43118273 Report

Quoted By: >>43118294

>>43115024
are there SPL replays of gen 3? or is that too old?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:51:02 No.43118286 Report

Quoted By: >>43118296 >>43118303 >>43119185

Am i just being a nostalgia fag or was gen 4's meta actually the best?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:51:56 No.43118294 Report

Quoted By: >>43118307

>>43118273
Every gen except LGPE is played in SPL.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spl-xi-replays.3658653/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:51:59 No.43118296 Report

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>>43118286
You're being a nostalgiafag.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:53:16 No.43118303 Report

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>>43118286
lots of nostalgia, a little bit of it being pretty ok but flawed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:53:38 No.43118307 Report

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>>43118294
thanks m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 06:25:17 No.43118957 Report

Quoted By: >>43118975 >>43119182

>>43110262
>ate USUM are pretty highly regarded among the competitive community.
Maybe NU and below.
People disliked USUM OU because it was stale, and they only banned Zygarde in a desperate attempt to salvage it and they just ended up making it even more stale.
UU was a joke because of the council going full retard.
RU had too many memesters using mememons so nothing ever droppped.
NU, PU, and ZU were the only enjoyable aspects of USUM meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 06:30:20 No.43118975 Report

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>>43118957
low elo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 06:41:58 No.43119010 Report

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>>43107989
>charizard is CONSTANTLY shilled as the most badass pokemon
>fucking venusaur is always topping OU
WHY CAN'T WE STOP WINNING BULBABROS
NUMBER 1 IN THE DEX NUMBER 1 FOREVER

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 08:21:38 No.43119182 Report

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>>43118957
>People disliked USUM OU because it was stale, and they only banned Zygarde in a desperate attempt to salvage it

That isn't it at all. USUM was stale because of behind the scenes politics at Smogon that split the community and killed suspect momentum.

High level players were demanding a Z-Move suspect after USUM and the OU council wasn't having any of it because it was "Gen VII's gimmick". Finch posts a public shaming of Zygarde because he was bored of playing against it and the community gets swept up in bandwagon ban. Then everyone influential quits USUM OU and the council drops all suspect plans.

In Smogon's history, the only meta they were able to balance properly was the easy ones: Gen III and Gen VI. They fucked up Gen IV by banning Latias, Gen V with the mishandling of weather and Gen VII by refusing to suspect Z-Moves for a bullshit reason.

ABR and Finch are faggots but Dynamax was so overwhelming they urged the council to to an early suspect and that saved Gen VIII.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 08:26:20 No.43119185 Report

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>>43118286
>Am i just being a nostalgia fag or was gen 4's meta actually the best?
Gen V would have been the best if Drizzle/Drought and Excadrill were banned.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 08:30:30 No.43119192 Report

Quoted By: >>43119271

>>43112211
>being guaranteed a Weakness Policy due to double HP is amazing
Not much you can do with a Weakness Policy boost with a bad speed stat and mediocre offenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 08:35:45 No.43119200 Report

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>>43107989
>OU currently the best it's ever been

FUCK no! Way to out yourself as someone who has either never played OU, or never left the 1200s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 09:15:33 No.43119271 Report

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>>43119192
Mediocre offenses start to look a lot better when they're doubled.

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