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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:05:27 No.43114461 View View Reply Original Report

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WHAT THE HELL BROS?
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-ss-uu-stage-3-as-the-world-falls-down-uu-exits-beta-mamoswine-suspect.3661513/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:06:19 No.43114466 Report

Quoted By: >>43141435

BL KNIGHTS

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:14:53 No.43114539 Report

Quoted By: >>43114677 >>43116491 >>43123201 >>43145430

How cucked do you have to be to unironically play UU? I feel like the council stallfags ban an offensive threat every week, yet stall still isnt good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:16:35 No.43114551 Report

Quoted By: >>43119338

no bros... why dont they ban umbreon... frickin stallgon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:26:52 No.43114653 Report

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OMGON BAN SWAGGE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:29:44 No.43114677 Report

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>>43114539
>yet stall still isnt good
Oh, it will be. Even if they have to ban every single breaker to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:46:16 No.43114821 Report

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God Mamoswine is so based

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:50:25 No.43114855 Report

Quoted By: >>43114893 >>43116480 >>43118604 >>43125643

>>43114461
Fanfic meta. Nobody cares.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:54:12 No.43114884 Report

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>>43114461
>Mamoswine
WHO???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 19:55:24 No.43114893 Report

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>>43114855
Rent. Free.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 22:09:40 No.43115996 Report

Quoted By: >>43119503

>>43114461
>130 Atk
That's too much, dude.
It might actually put a significant dent in their walls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 23:04:51 No.43116471 Report

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Holy shit just filter it dude, its not our fault no one starts threads about the cuckmax meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 23:06:27 No.43116480 Report

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>>43114855
Just filter it dude, its not our fault no one starts threads about the cuckmax meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 23:08:43 No.43116491 Report

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>>43114539
I found UU to be super fun in Gen 6 but yeah, its nowhere near as strong this time around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 23:10:41 No.43116511 Report

Quoted By: >>43118117

>>43114461
>another offensive mon potentially getting banned
What does UU mean by this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 00:07:34 No.43116880 Report

Quoted By: >>43117256 >>43120327

>>43114461
What are these retards going to do when 200 Pokemon come back in a few months? I don't get why they're even attempting to do this stuff right now. If they don't roll everything back when the time comes they're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 01:01:47 No.43117256 Report

Quoted By: >>43119613

>>43116880
All 200 will go into OU and either drop or be banned depending on how good they are.
It'll be a mess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:14:34 No.43118117 Report

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>>43116511
>potentially
It's an offensive mon being suspected in UU.
It's already banned. It just doesn't know it yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:15:18 No.43118125 Report

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PROTEST

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 04:59:15 No.43118604 Report

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>>43114855
Cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 05:59:20 No.43118871 Report

Quoted By: >>43119242

>>43114461
I swear if UU complains about their tier becoming a Stallfest in 6 months like they did last gen, I'mma freak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 08:59:48 No.43119242 Report

Quoted By: >>43129567 >>43171339

>>43118871
Why would they complain about that? Don't they want their tier to become a stallfest?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 09:55:06 No.43119338 Report

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>>43114551
HOES MAD x 10e5

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 11:31:08 No.43119503 Report

Quoted By: >>43119985 >>43125026 >>43125489

>>43115996
But it would need a Scarf to be viable in OU on account of the fast wallbreakers such as Scarfvish, which one-shots Mamo with Fishious Rend. We all know how Togekiss is terrorizing OU and VGC with its many Air Slash flinches, right? Well, Mamo one-shots it with Icicle Crash.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 12:17:54 No.43119610 Report

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>>43114461
Well yeah it either shit stomps UU, has a stint in BL or pops up in OU sometimes. Great stabs, either can have untauntable SR or only being weak to water, fight, grass and steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 12:19:28 No.43119613 Report

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>>43117256
Which is why its ones duty to abuse that chaos as those Mons go down usage tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 14:02:06 No.43119985 Report

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>>43119503
It’s viable in OU as a Choice Band wallbreaker rn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 14:19:20 No.43120067 Report

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>>43114461
Mamo would probably move up into OU eventually , banded is such an underrated threat that gets work done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 14:38:54 No.43120178 Report

Quoted By: >>43120289 >>43120314 >>43120383

>>43119985
Kyurem is way better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 15:02:42 No.43120289 Report

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>>43120178
And?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 15:07:33 No.43120314 Report

Quoted By: >>43120321 >>43120383

>>43120178
Kyurem is used specially due to it getting Freeze
Dry on top of having only pressure to work with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 15:08:46 No.43120321 Report

Quoted By: >>43120383

>>43120314
also its phys movepool is atrocious

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 15:10:24 No.43120327 Report

Quoted By: >>43125476 >>43170150

>>43116880
Why the hell are they even following the game's arbitrary rules this generation? There's no excuse why all Pokemon shouldn't be available, it's a fucking simulator it's not like the data is all of a sudden unusable. Don't they do this already?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 15:24:37 No.43120383 Report

Quoted By: >>43125623

>>43120178
>>43120314
>>43120289
>>43120321
Kyurem
>doesn't give a fuck about getting burned
>has freeze dry, draco, roost, and weather ball
>is significantly faster
>is bulkier (can facetank vish and live SE hits surprisingly often)
>ice move is higher BP higher accuracy
Mamo
>has knock off and SR
>isn't hit supereffective by sneaky pebbles
>has priority
>ground move is higher BP and has STAB

Both seem pretty based

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 20:12:58 No.43122056 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 22:48:27 No.43123201 Report

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>>43114539
You either have to be immensely cucked, or be a stallfag yourself.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 01:46:59 No.43124344 Report

Quoted By: >>43125496 >>43125545 >>43128562

>>43114461
Why is the UU council like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 03:52:33 No.43125026 Report

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>>43119503
Not really. UU is stallfag central and walls tend to not be very fast.
Mamoswine is inevitably getting banned solely because it can pack a punch.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:15:55 No.43125429 Report

Quoted By: >>43125496 >>43125655 >>43127177

>>43114461
Horse shit is what it is,

UU is already a stallfest shitshow & Knock Off is only devastating against a couple mons. But no let's get rid of anything that can even remotely scratch a wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:27:44 No.43125476 Report

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>>43120327
>There's no excuse why all Pokemon shouldn't be available
They do have a tier where all 890 Pokemon are avaiable as well as all Moves , Z-Moves, and Megas. You can use Shehttps://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/national-dex-ou-metagame-discussion.3656899/ll Smash Mega Blastoise now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:31:25 No.43125489 Report

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>>43119503
>it would need a Scarf to be viable in OU
It literally is viable in OU moron, and it doesn't use scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:34:22 No.43125496 Report

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>>43124344
>>43125429
>Dracozolt is banned literally because it can counter bulky waters

This is fucking hilarious. Fucking DURANT is banned!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:46:10 No.43125545 Report

Quoted By: >>43125557 >>43125563 >>43125582 >>43125627 >>43127157 >>43129610

>>43124344
Okay, I can kind of understand Gyarados, Weavile, and Hawlucha, those ones are really good, shit on a lot of things, an can be really hard to revenge kill. I can kind of understand Diggerby and Crawdaunt even ,they're both stupidly strong wall breakers with priority moves, although I personally don't think either one is all that broken. Dracozolt and Primarina really aren't that bad, you can play around them but I'm no expert on UU's current state, so maybe they are really good? But what in the fuck made Alolan Ninetails and fucking Durant bannable? I thought both of them sucked?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:50:06 No.43125557 Report

Quoted By: >>43126027

>>43125545
Hustle first impression I guess?

I mean it gets stomping tantrum too but does that work on misses?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:50:49 No.43125561 Report

Quoted By: >>43128368

WEAVILE AND MAMOSWINE
THE BL GODS
OLD KINGS STILL STRONG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:51:25 No.43125563 Report

Quoted By: >>43125590

>>43125545
Dynamaxed Durant gets perfect accuracy but with a boosted hustle, sort of working like gorilla tactics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:55:27 No.43125582 Report

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>>43125545
Alolan ninetails enables HO
Durant got First Impression, Stomping tantrum and ST does double off misses. LO set is nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 05:57:23 No.43125590 Report

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>>43125563
Dynamax is banned on the main showdown ladders

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Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 06:06:08 No.43125623 Report

Quoted By: >>43128383 >>43128487

>>43120383
You forgot Oblivious being buffed to now prevent Intimidate from going off. So now he's literally a Lando-T counter when that cancer returns to the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 06:07:32 No.43125627 Report

Quoted By: >>43129610

>>43125545
Primarina has strong STABs, good coverage, and access to Calm Mind now. There aren't many things that can reliably switch into Specs and also deal with CM.

First Impression is unironically amazing for Durant. Scarfers struggle to check it and can be forced out easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 06:13:47 No.43125643 Report

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>>43114855
>nobody cares!
>nobody cares!
>nobody cares!
>why do people keep making these threads? I said nobody cares!
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 06:17:44 No.43125655 Report

Quoted By: >>43125915

>>43125429
>UU is already a stallfest shitshow
No it’s not

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 07:24:03 No.43125834 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 08:06:32 No.43125915 Report

Quoted By: >>43126520

>>43125655
They ban everything offense oriented.
The council clearly has a stall agenda.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 08:55:49 No.43126027 Report

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>>43125557
>I mean it gets stomping tantrum too but does that work on misses?

It does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdZlBx0fDd0
Everything that isn't terrain based (using priority on psychic terrain)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 12:49:58 No.43126520 Report

Quoted By: >>43128965 >>43130264

>>43125915
>They ban everything offense oriented
And? Stall is still shit in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 15:10:32 No.43127157 Report

Quoted By: >>43127693

>>43125545
>But what in the fuck made Alolan Ninetails and fucking Durant bannable?

>Alolan ninetales
Best veil setter for HO, which isn't allowed to be good according to UU stallniggers

>Durant
If it hits always then you could argue its probably ban territory. Of course it doesn't but the council doesn't give a fuck because they're unironic stallfags.

Muh stall bogeyman is a meme, but honestly in the case of UU its got to be true. I just find it hilarious that stall is still a dogshit playstyle when they ban a breaker literally every 2 weeks. I swear to god these cucks will try to make stall top tier even if they have to ban every pokemon with at least 100 of an attacking stat or 100 speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 15:12:32 No.43127177 Report

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>>43125429
>UU is already a stallfest shitshow
Its not, stall is still terrible. But in 2 months theyll have banned another 15 offensive mons and it might not be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 16:20:30 No.43127693 Report

Quoted By: >>43128048 >>43128460 >>43129164

>>43127157
Or, hear me out here, maybe they’re not trying to make stall the best playstyle and that they’re banning Pokémon that are too much for the tier to handle? Have you even tried to look into why they’re banned besides big damage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 17:12:33 No.43128048 Report

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>>43127693
>Have you even tried to look into why they’re banned besides big damage?
Why would I do that? Them banning things to protect a playstyle everyone agrees is dogshit anyways makes much more sense to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 18:05:45 No.43128368 Report

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>>43125561
I wanna cum in her blue pussy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 18:07:47 No.43128383 Report

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>>43125623
It's not really a counter.
you shouldn't switch mamoswine into things, it's pretty frail despite appearances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 18:18:21 No.43128460 Report

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>>43127693
>Have you even tried to look into why they’re banned besides big damage?
I can't think of anything. Kommo rose to OU by itself and was not banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 18:22:17 No.43128487 Report

Quoted By: >>43154396 >>43155702 >>43171346

>>43125623
Its more of a check than a counter. Offensive landorus one shots mamo on the switch, defensive landorus can facetank an ice shard and U turn out.

252 Atk Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mamoswine: 373-439 (103 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 112+ Def Landorus-Therian: 256-304 (67 - 79.5%) -- not a KO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 18:32:22 No.43128562 Report

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>>43124344
>Council
Imagine sounding this pretentious.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 18:56:34 No.43128727 Report

Quoted By: >>43128795

I play OU so I'm not gonna try to make any assumptions about UU despite what I think about the council due to the sheer amount of things that you guys keep sending up to us. Compared to other stuff would mamo be considered "bulky" or "fast"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 19:08:01 No.43128795 Report

Quoted By: >>43132566

>>43128727
Fast? Yes. Mamo’s speed tier is great for UU because there aren’t a lot of relevant fast Pokémon, and with it using Ice Shard for faster threats it’s pretty hard to revenge kill. And while it’s not taking a lot of hits, it does have enough bulk to take a few attacks and retaliate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 19:33:02 No.43128965 Report

Quoted By: >>43128980

>>43126520
Exactly. Which is why they feel the need to keep banning every breaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 19:36:59 No.43128980 Report

Quoted By: >>43129096 >>43142345

>>43128965
Low iq take

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 19:52:38 No.43129096 Report

Quoted By: >>43129213

>>43128980
So why do you think they keep banning every breaker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 20:03:26 No.43129164 Report

Quoted By: >>43129196

>>43127693
Where do they put the explanation for why stuff gets banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 20:07:29 No.43129196 Report

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>>43129164
Every post where they announce the Pokémon is banned has an explanation for their ban

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 20:09:19 No.43129213 Report

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>>43129096
Because they’re broken and restricts teambuilding? These Pokémon hurt offense just as much as they hurt stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 20:58:47 No.43129567 Report

Quoted By: >>43129600 >>43132612

>>43119242
Nah last gen absolutely almost everyone was crying for a stall suspect in either Mola or Blissey because of the double unaware team Pif made. And then stall council didnt wanna ban fucking blissey so we were stuck in stall fest until Mmq dropped late USUM and was able to help HO to become a threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 21:02:21 No.43129600 Report

Quoted By: >>43129630

>>43129567
Okay, but the council definitely wants UU to be a stallfest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 21:03:46 No.43129610 Report

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>>43125545
Adding to this >>43125627 A new set for primarina popped up which is the liquid voice rest snore cm moonblast set. Only one mon in the entire tier walls it in Milotic and other mons gets beaten by +2 Snore or Moonblast. Even on resists since primarina is plenty bulky on it's own and most steel types doesnt like moonblast even when resisted due to their usually low SpDef stat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 21:05:59 No.43129630 Report

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>>43129600
That is something I cant argue

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 22:47:13 No.43130264 Report

Quoted By: >>43130324 >>43130379

>>43126520
And they're gonna continue banning every offense-oriented mon until stall stops being shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 22:57:03 No.43130324 Report

Quoted By: >>43130378

>>43130264
Which won’t happen. This level of delusion isn’t healthy anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 23:06:11 No.43130378 Report

Quoted By: >>43130470

>>43130324
Which means they're never gonna stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 23:06:17 No.43130379 Report

Quoted By: >>43130466

>>43130264
How much harder could you force the evidence to fit your existing beliefs? Stall is still non-existent but I'm already convinced UU does everything for stall's benefit so uh clearly they'll keep going until stall is on top again! There's definitely no other explanation for why they booted Gengar and Gyarados from UU!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 23:18:48 No.43130466 Report

Quoted By: >>43130489 >>43130526

>>43130379
The evidence is that they ban offensive mons and my conclusion is that they're doing it to benefit stall.
Whether or not they're successful is irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 23:19:25 No.43130470 Report

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>>43130378
No it doesn’t

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 23:21:18 No.43130489 Report

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>>43130466
Room temperature IQ deduction

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Anonymous Wed 25 Mar 2020 23:25:35 No.43130526 Report

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>>43130466
>The evidence is that they ban offensive mons and my conclusion is that they're doing it to benefit stall. Whether or not they're successful is irrelevant.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 02:05:16 No.43131705 Report

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Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 02:14:21 No.43131768 Report

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ooo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 04:16:10 No.43132566 Report

Quoted By: >>43132602

>>43128795
But is it invincible enough to warrant a ban?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 04:21:54 No.43132602 Report

Quoted By:

>>43132566
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 04:22:54 No.43132612 Report

Quoted By: >>43133696

>>43129567
>Blissey allowed in UU
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 06:17:39 No.43133129 Report

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oooo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 09:23:56 No.43133602 Report

Quoted By: >>43148211

/vp/ doesn't play Pokémon so of course they can't fathom why something that at worst forces a trade literally every time it comes in would be bad for offense as well.

How does an UU offensive team deal with Gyarados, Durant, Weavile, Primarina or Mamoswine itself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 10:02:14 No.43133696 Report

Quoted By: >>43134188

>>43132612
Uhh Blissey was allowed in UU last gen. What are you insinuating?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 12:37:47 No.43134188 Report

Quoted By: >>43137087 >>43140475

>>43133696
He’s saying Blissey should have been banned

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Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 16:31:33 No.43135639 Report

Quoted By: >>43136661

Is /vp/ actually upset at this? It’s not like Mamoswine isn’t good in OU

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Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 18:41:04 No.43136661 Report

Quoted By: >>43136673 >>43165081

>>43135639
It's not just about Mamoswine.
Mamoswine is just the most recent in a long list of victims of the UU council's banning fetish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 18:42:42 No.43136673 Report

Quoted By: >>43136806

>>43136661
No one has ever explained in any of these threads why any of these isn't justified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 18:59:06 No.43136806 Report

Quoted By: >>43137072 >>43137336 >>43147161 >>43154072

>>43136673
>Crawdaunt
Should be banned
>Diggersby
Not too big of a deal as long as you can infer what set it is
>Dracozolt
Walled by ground types and can miss attacks, was very manageable when hippo was still UU but now it can be banned.
>Durant
Missing 1st impression is gamelosing, especially when choiced
Hone claws isn't aggressive enough
Hustle consistency in general
>Gyarados
Should be banned
>Hawlucha
Should be banned
>Ninetales
If they are banning all the broken setup sweepers anyway why do they need to ban the veil setter too?
>Primarina
It has no switchin meme isn't that relevant in actual games. People can't predict perfectly. Its weaker in practice by far than in theory.
>Weavile
Should be banned
>Gengar
Should be banned
>Obstagoon
Should be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 19:31:06 No.43137072 Report

Quoted By: >>43145404 >>43165395

>>43136806
>Walled by ground types
>252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Dracozolt Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 237-279 (56.4 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252 Atk Choice Band Hustle Dracozolt Outrage vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Rhyperior: 220-259 (51 - 60%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
No it’s not
>Missing 1st impression is gamelosing, especially when choiced
The payoff is more than enough
>If they are banning all the broken setup sweepers anyway why do they need to ban the veil setter too?
Because the Veil setter made HO a cancerfest to deal with
>People can't predict perfectly
How does that change anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 19:32:32 No.43137087 Report

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>>43134188
Oh yeah. Agreed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 20:06:36 No.43137336 Report

Quoted By: >>43138807

>>43136806
80% accuracy still isn't so bad, I can understand not wanting to rely on Hustle misses for balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Mar 2020 23:13:23 No.43138807 Report

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>>43137336
80% is pretty fucking bad.
That's a 1 in 5 chance of wasting a turn and losing your momentum at best, and getting KO'd with nothing to show for it at worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 02:50:03 No.43140475 Report

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>>43134188
Blissey is okay because it's defensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 05:30:37 No.43141435 Report

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>>43114466
Low IQ: banning Mamoswine is bad because UU is stallfag central
High IQ: banning Mamoswine is good because he can be a BL knight

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 05:41:40 No.43141498 Report

Quoted By: >>43141793 >>43142324

What's the big deal?
Mamoswine has such a long history and is well understood to be an awesome Pokemon who is situational as hell. It's been banned from UU before and its OU usage varies from meta to meta.

This isn't a big fucking deal, people should be dispassionate toward a Mamoswine suspect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 06:43:52 No.43141793 Report

Quoted By: >>43141802

>>43141498
They should be dispassionate towards ANY suspect test since they don’t even play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 06:46:24 No.43141802 Report

Quoted By: >>43145371

>>43141793
I can understand people losing their shit over something like Tyranitar or Staraptor in UU, but Mamoswine isn't controversial at all. This thread is completely disconnected from reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 09:59:07 No.43142324 Report

Quoted By: >>43143829

>>43141498
Being good in OU in theory should have no bearing about what happens in UU. If Mamoswine wasn't actually broken people would have a right to complain, but it is, considering it lost almost every one of its UU checks in the generational shift.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 10:08:45 No.43142345 Report

Quoted By: >>43160668

>>43128980
>take

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 15:58:39 No.43143829 Report

Quoted By:

>>43142324
Yeah, I have no idea why people didn’t think Mamoswine would be a problem. If it was still good in UU with shit like Scizor around then it would be ridiculous without them

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 19:11:12 No.43145371 Report

Quoted By:

>>43141802
This whole board is disconnected from reality. No one even said why Mamo shouldn’t be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 19:14:30 No.43145404 Report

Quoted By: >>43145539 >>43145865

>>43137072
Its an outrage, you can go into your ground and then weezing if he clicks outrage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 19:17:43 No.43145430 Report

Quoted By: >>43145941

>>43114539
UU has been a laughingstock every since Pokeaim exposed the tier with his Ambipom run. There simply aren't enough quality players on both the ladder and the council to make educated opinions on anything regarding UU. I'd say the only tiers with a decent playerbase are OU and Ubers and it's been this way forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 19:30:36 No.43145539 Report

Quoted By:

>>43145404
Not the point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 20:04:13 No.43145865 Report

Quoted By:

>>43145404
your ground still eats shit in this scenario

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 20:12:57 No.43145941 Report

Quoted By: >>43145981 >>43151578

>>43145430
>UU has been a laughingstock every since Pokeaim exposed the tier with his Ambipom run.
What the hell happened? Wasn'tt Ambipom a shit mon even in RU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 20:18:57 No.43145981 Report

Quoted By: >>43147123 >>43148271 >>43154164 >>43156121 >>43159632

>>43145941
Pokeaim made a video of him using Aimbipom as a surprise attacker that would bait the opponent into getting their Scizor or Latias hit by a Fire/Ice punch.

It’s a really gimmicky strategy that would only work against an opponent once, and people spammed it enough on ladder to raise its usage up to UU for like a month.

People who couldn’t get highladder without an E-celeb’s help parrot this situation, even though Aimbipom later fell in usage after people realized its tricks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 23:07:39 No.43147123 Report

Quoted By:

>>43145981
Hilarious. Literal meme tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Mar 2020 23:15:29 No.43147161 Report

Quoted By:

>>43136806
>Hone claws isn't aggressive enough
It's the LO set everyone runs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 02:46:04 No.43148211 Report

Quoted By: >>43148241

>>43133602
>He doesn’t use Choice Scarf Thunder Punch Flygon to beat Gyarados

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 02:49:34 No.43148241 Report

Quoted By: >>43148253

>>43148211
They ought to give it it's own flavour arena trap. Maybe make it block everything but any mon with some form of sandstorm immunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 02:51:50 No.43148253 Report

Quoted By: >>43154291

>>43148241
>They ought to give it it's own flavour arena trap
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 02:55:41 No.43148271 Report

Quoted By: >>43148329

>>43145981
That fiasco was always strange to me, I would have thought UU would have better qualify players than OU. The further you go down in the tiers the better you have to be to win (except LC).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 03:06:46 No.43148329 Report

Quoted By: >>43148343 >>43148578

>>43148271
>I would have thought UU would have better qualify players than OU
why would you think this, the really competitive players aren't going to shy away from the main tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 03:10:01 No.43148343 Report

Quoted By: >>43148367

>>43148329
>he really competitive players aren't going to shy away from the main tier

Did you skip Gen VII or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 03:15:13 No.43148367 Report

Quoted By:

>>43148343
what do you think is unique about last gen wrt low tiers? just that gen 7 ou is aids? didn't seem to substantially change the dedicated ou community nor the dedicated low tier communities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 04:00:11 No.43148578 Report

Quoted By: >>43149362 >>43150559

>>43148329
Popular things tend to attract a lot of plebs, and OU is the most popular tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 05:09:06 No.43148901 Report

Quoted By:

Bumperino

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 07:57:01 No.43149362 Report

Quoted By:

>>43148578
More plebs means an higher sample size and harder to stand out with a single team and get out of ELO hell. Aim wouldn't have been able to influence OU usage in the same way, on the other hand he would have probability had an easier time influencing NU usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 15:56:37 No.43150559 Report

Quoted By:

>>43148578
popular things tend to attract a lot of everyone. difference is, how many of the truly competitive players are likely to then switch to a low tier because they like the pokemon better or because they got destroyed in the main tier? this isn't to suggest that low tiers don't have good players or a solid level of tournament play but innately OU is always going to be The Tier for serious smogon players to try and prove themselves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 19:14:48 No.43151578 Report

Quoted By:

>>43145941
Nah, Ambipom is actually pretty good.
At least, not so worthless that it warrants a blacklist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 19:25:44 No.43151654 Report

Quoted By: >>43152890 >>43154176 >>43159808

I love how you retards think UU council is banhappy, they're fucking tame
t. LC player

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 22:30:28 No.43152890 Report

Quoted By: >>43153223 >>43154044

>>43151654
Does the councils just get worse and worse the lower the tiers go?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2020 23:18:26 No.43153223 Report

Quoted By:

>>43152890
Not NU. P sure NU and PU was fun to play

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:14:43 No.43154044 Report

Quoted By:

>>43152890
nah, NU and PU are pretty chill and they're the only tiers i've seen where something got suspected and managed to stay alive
LC is complete faggotry though, anything with an attacking stat over 80 that isn't named mienfoo got the hammer the day ss dropped

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:18:26 No.43154072 Report

Quoted By: >>43154252

>>43136806
>Not too big of a deal as long as you can infer what set it is
Diggersby has some of the best coverage around and a godlike typing. it's nearly impossible to infer what moves its running and what items it has. Not even ferrothorn and Toxapex can properly wall it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:34:12 No.43154164 Report

Quoted By: >>43154365

>>43145981
Seeing UU flip its collective shit over Ambipom was the most hilarious thing of Gen 7 because UU council deserved 100% of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:36:15 No.43154176 Report

Quoted By:

>>43151654
>whataboutism

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:46:17 No.43154252 Report

Quoted By: >>43154302

>>43154072
Also got body slam so it can have a stab paralysis causing move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:51:40 No.43154291 Report

Quoted By: >>43154499 >>43170269

>>43148253
If you have ground/steel/rock/ghost, any ability that make the mon immune to ss, umbrella, magic guard or any future abilities that negate ss damage you can escape it vs arena trap only having flying and ghost and levitate.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 01:52:43 No.43154302 Report

Quoted By: >>43154927

>>43154252
>STAB bodyslam
>STAB QA
>STAB EQ
>fire/thunder/ice punch
>gunk shot
>iron head
>brick break
>stone edge
>U-Turn
>hits harder than Azumarill
yeah im thinking hes based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 02:01:45 No.43154365 Report

Quoted By: >>43154524 >>43155640 >>43165071 >>43165656 >>43170028

>>43154164
Here's the seething thread in case anyone wants to see it: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-update-for-january-2018-feb-263-mar-696.3625266/page-11#post-7674783

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 02:05:26 No.43154396 Report

Quoted By:

>>43128487
>Supersonic Skystrike

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 02:19:20 No.43154499 Report

Quoted By:

>>43154291
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 02:21:46 No.43154524 Report

Quoted By:

>>43154365
>Lux92

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 03:09:46 No.43154927 Report

Quoted By:

>>43154302
This face strikes fear into the hearts of UU stallfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 04:49:58 No.43155640 Report

Quoted By: >>43155744 >>43155788 >>43158641

>>43154365
I love how the thought never occurs to them that maybe Ambipom was better than they assumed. That maybe Pokeaim was being honest when he said that he thought Ambipom had potential and a place in UU, and wasn't just memeing.
Pretty sure he even made it to the top 5 on the UU ladder with Ambipom, so either Ambipom is actually decent, or UU players are shit enough to be beaten by a guy with a dead weight mon.
They would sooner say the tiering system is flawed because it can be influenced rather than say it's flawed for failing to recognize underrated mons.
Fuck UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 04:57:41 No.43155702 Report

Quoted By: >>43156136

>>43128487
>Landorus is running 252 attack with 112+ Defence.

What retarded shit is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 05:04:05 No.43155744 Report

Quoted By:

>>43155640
Because it isn’t better than they assumed? The fact that it fell off almost immediately after it got into UU shows that this whole situation was nothing but a meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 05:08:55 No.43155788 Report

Quoted By: >>43156032

>>43155640
he should've skipped ambipom and went straight for making mamo ou t b h

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 05:48:27 No.43156032 Report

Quoted By: >>43163474

>>43155788
Mamo's becoming UUBL soon so he won't have to do anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 06:07:30 No.43156121 Report

Quoted By:

>>43145981
it wasn't about a surprise gimmick.
He uploaded a 30+ min video of himself using ambipom every day for a month and urged his fans to use ambipom too because he wanted it to be UU by usage for shits and giggles.
He did it again later with mamoswine but that didn't cause a shitstorm because Mamoswine is legitimately good in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 06:10:23 No.43156136 Report

Quoted By: >>43156387

>>43155702
The guy is using the Z-move set for offense and the Defensive set for defense.
He even states that Landorus-T can one shot Mamo with Z moves, and its defensive set can tank Ice Shares no problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 07:34:44 No.43156387 Report

Quoted By:

>>43156136
>Z-moves
But aren't we talking about gen 8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 08:04:47 No.43156487 Report

Quoted By:

ooooo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 17:22:20 No.43158641 Report

Quoted By: >>43158784

>>43155640
you can have ladder success or even one-off tournament success with all sorts of shit, doesn't make those things good or consistent. the fact that his ambipom strats centered largely on luring gliscor with ice punch should tell you it's not very good or consistent because it relies largely on your opponent not knowing what's up; you don't throw gliscor in if you know it's packing ice punch. and sure enough, aim not using it anymore meant nobody else was using it anymore, because it was a funny gimmick but not something you run if you're trying to build the best team you can
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/straight-outta-kanto-peaked-2052-3.3656254/ this guy peaked #3 on last gen's ou ladder with mono-kanto. would you consider lefties blastoise and eviolite rhydon to be good ou picks, seeing this?
i can't find the replay but i'm pretty sure someone managed a pikachu sweep in an sm ou tournament somewhat recently. funny? yes. proof that pikachu is some slept-on monster? ehhh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 17:41:28 No.43158784 Report

Quoted By: >>43158826

>>43158641
>i can't find the replay but i'm pretty sure someone managed a pikachu sweep in an sm ou tournament somewhat recently. funny? yes. proof that pikachu is some slept-on monster? ehhh.
I remember this one, Pikachu literally did not do anything and the guy managed to win the match by employing it as a dead weight to sac.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 17:45:50 No.43158826 Report

Quoted By:

>>43158784
i could have sworn there was one where it nasty plots up and picks up 2 or 3 kills at the end of the match

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 18:05:52 No.43159001 Report

Quoted By: >>43161329 >>43161427 >>43162459 >>43171594

found it
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-431093
lucky ass pikachu but you see what i mean, you'd be crazy to use one tournament game or a bit of ladder success as proof that pikachu is a serious ou contender

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 19:18:18 No.43159632 Report

Quoted By:

>>43145981
PokeaimMD is so based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 19:45:35 No.43159808 Report

Quoted By: >>43160248 >>43160249

>>43151654
Are they going to ban like 40 Pokemon again this gen and make UU by usage have fewer Pokemon than UUBL like during SM?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 20:54:29 No.43160248 Report

Quoted By: >>43160656

>>43159808
Actually, there's only 24 mons in UUBL and 54 in UU by usage in SM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 20:54:33 No.43160249 Report

Quoted By: >>43160452

>>43159808
>UU by usage have fewer Pokemon than UUBL like during SM?
really?
I don't play UU so i didnt hear about that lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 21:23:14 No.43160452 Report

Quoted By: >>43160656

>>43160249
UUBL had 23 Pokémon at the end of the generation while UU had 55, he is talking out his ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 21:52:53 No.43160656 Report

Quoted By: >>43160706

>>43160248
>>43160452
That's end of generation. There was a lot of shit that got banned towards the middle of the gen or started banned that they later eased up on after USUM like Azumarill or Mega Slowbro. Or stuff like Manaphy that was UUBL became OU through usage eventually so the banlists ended up much smaller than they were at their peaks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 21:54:47 No.43160668 Report

Quoted By:

>>43142345
>getting ptsd over a word

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 21:58:58 No.43160706 Report

Quoted By:

>>43160656
That's still not enough to realistically have more banned Pokémon than UU Pokémon. Every SM tier had roughly 50 to 60 Pokémon in it, so they would have had to ban more than that to have a bigger BL. He may be confusing it with RSE which banned things from UU with a different (and completely arbitrary) criterion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 23:25:29 No.43161329 Report

Quoted By:

>>43159001
Holy fuck. The freeze hax is so bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2020 23:39:40 No.43161427 Report

Quoted By:

>>43159001
That's one battle with a gargantuan amount of luck. Pokeaim was using Ambipom for an entire month.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 02:44:44 No.43162459 Report

Quoted By:

>>43159001
I'd use that match as proof that freeze is bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 06:35:39 No.43163474 Report

Quoted By:

>>43156032
It’s not the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 12:46:15 No.43164491 Report

Quoted By:

Bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 15:10:01 No.43165071 Report

Quoted By:

>>43154365
Why doesn't /vp/ try to do something like this? Is it because /vp/'s too shitty to make Top 100, let alone with a shitmon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 15:13:26 No.43165081 Report

Quoted By: >>43165089 >>43165131 >>43165508 >>43165595 >>43166832 >>43167760 >>43169663

>>43136661
>crawdaunt
Lmao nigga what the fuck? He was trash for so long how did this happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 15:15:00 No.43165089 Report

Quoted By:

>>43165081
Adaptability and the Knock Off buff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 15:25:46 No.43165131 Report

Quoted By:

>>43165081
crawdaunt has been good since gen 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 16:11:11 No.43165395 Report

Quoted By: >>43165517 >>43165869

>>43137072
>Choice band outrage dracozolt
This is why you can't get pass 1500

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 16:26:51 No.43165508 Report

Quoted By:

>>43165081
He's a great wallbreaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 16:28:37 No.43165517 Report

Quoted By:

>>43165395
Neither can you apparently

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 16:40:55 No.43165595 Report

Quoted By:

>>43165081
gen 5 gave it adaptibility which is a great abiity

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 16:49:19 No.43165656 Report

Quoted By: >>43166373

>>43154365
UU really is filled with the worst people. It's just OU for people salty about OU. At least the lower tiers are people with shitmons as favorites and people who enjoy the quirks of their respective meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 17:23:01 No.43165869 Report

Quoted By:

>>43165395
t. dunning-kruger

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 18:29:36 No.43166373 Report

Quoted By: >>43166430

>>43165656
What kinds of quirks do RU, NU, and PU have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 18:35:35 No.43166430 Report

Quoted By:

>>43166373
my favorite shitmon waifu is viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 19:21:11 No.43166832 Report

Quoted By: >>43167495 >>43168567

>>43165081
Crawdaunt is great.
By far the best SFMA in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 20:34:25 No.43167495 Report

Quoted By: >>43168567

>>43166832
Slow Frail Moderately Mixed Attacker

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 21:05:07 No.43167760 Report

Quoted By:

>>43165081
>120 attack
>ability making coverage/non-STAB unnecessary
Why would you think Crawdaunt is trash?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 23:05:51 No.43168567 Report

Quoted By: >>43168582 >>43168611

>>43166832
>>43167495
>mixed
Maybe in gen 3. Crawdaunt is all physical now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 23:08:01 No.43168582 Report

Quoted By: >>43168608

>>43168567
>Moderately Mixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 23:11:51 No.43168608 Report

Quoted By: >>43168615

>>43168582
There's no reason to run special moves on Crawdaunt anymore. It has physical STAB now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 23:12:30 No.43168611 Report

Quoted By:

>>43168567
slow frail fuck-you-die

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2020 23:13:29 No.43168615 Report

Quoted By: >>43168898

>>43168608
Not the point

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 00:01:20 No.43168898 Report

Quoted By: >>43168913

>>43168615
Then what is the point?
Just the fact that its top 2 stats are Atk and SpA?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 00:03:49 No.43168913 Report

Quoted By: >>43171071

>>43168898
Yes

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 02:21:34 No.43169663 Report

Quoted By:

>>43165081
Why would you think it's trash?
I mean, can you find a single flaw in these stats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 03:37:27 No.43170028 Report

Quoted By: >>43170420 >>43170765

>>43154365

To be fair Smogon really should have a sort of reverse-BL. I mean last gen Mimikyu was stuck in OU and Jolteon was stuck in RU for nearly the entirety of it just because they're popular Pokemon when it was a known fact they were trash in those tiers. Especially Jolteon, completely outclassed by Raikou in every single way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 04:03:51 No.43170150 Report

Quoted By:

>>43120327
There is a tier for that, but most people prefer the Galar dex version - it's just refreshing to not have to deal with shit like the Tapus, megas, or Z-moves for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 04:29:18 No.43170269 Report

Quoted By:

>>43154291
Just compare it to Magnezone. Mag can only trap Steel types, and with its low speed and lack of super effective moves to beat Steel types, it can't even 1v1 most of the relevant Pokemon it's able to trap. It still manages to be a good Pokemon solely for its ability to remove just 2 or 3 key Pokemon.

Flygon meanwhile can trap most Pokemon in the game and successfully 1v1 a good chunk of them, plus it has Dragon Dance so if it traps something that can't threaten it could freely stack boosts and sweep. It'd be even better than Dugtrio - it can still trap the vast majority of Dugtrio's most common targets (like Toxapex) while being much stronger in general.

Also just because Rock and Steel types can't be trapped doesn't mean they'd be a good counter to Flygon - they're still weak to STAB Earthquakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 05:06:50 No.43170420 Report

Quoted By:

>>43170028
Jolteon was shit even before Raikou dropped

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 06:48:34 No.43170765 Report

Quoted By: >>43171325

>>43170028
How would that work? This sounds completely arbitrary

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 07:46:01 No.43170927 Report

Quoted By: >>43171011 >>43171543 >>43171613 >>43172862 >>43173893

>>43114461
>https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-ss-uu-stage-3-as-the-world-falls-down-uu-exits-beta-mamoswine-suspect.3661513/

> Fully defensive Milotic is easily 2HKO'd by Earthquake, while defensive Galarian Weezing is 3HKO'd by Icicle Crash, putting it one flinch away from fainting. And with a decent Speed tier and strong priority, it becomes surprisingly difficult to consistently revenge kill. The only reliable checks right now are Golisopod, Araquanid and Avalugg, and all three of those rely on not getting their Boots knocked off to stay healthy throughout the game.

They literally list mons that can counter it LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 08:08:59 No.43171011 Report

Quoted By: >>43171628

>>43170927
None of the counters are good for stall.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 08:28:48 No.43171071 Report

Quoted By: >>43171094 >>43171610 >>43179780

>>43168913
So this is a slow frail mixed attacker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 08:36:41 No.43171094 Report

Quoted By: >>43171610

>>43171071
Wow, look at that SFMA.
I'm not sure which Pokemon that is, but it seems terrible and not competitively viable at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 10:27:33 No.43171325 Report

Quoted By: >>43172851

>>43170765
Maybe an algorithm that takes both usage and win rate into account.
That way even if a ton of people use a mon, it'll only go up a tier if people win with it often enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 10:35:46 No.43171339 Report

Quoted By:

>>43119242
No one likes when stall is good. But UU has been a mess for years now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 10:40:11 No.43171346 Report

Quoted By:

>>43128487
Z-moves are long gone so that calc is kinda irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 11:55:12 No.43171543 Report

Quoted By:

>>43170927
But anon, if they use other Pokemon on their team to cover its weaknesses they could potentially use Mamoswine as a win con! That’s not fair!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 12:17:26 No.43171594 Report

Quoted By:

>>43159001
>Ima hiding the replay
LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 12:22:39 No.43171610 Report

Quoted By: >>43171640

>>43171071
Wow that is surely the stats of a slow frail mixed attacker that will definitely not setup sneaky pebbles and u-turn out
>>43171094
Heres your >you, obvious troll is obvious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 12:23:10 No.43171613 Report

Quoted By: >>43178895

>>43170927
Quagsire counters Zacian-C and Ferrothorn counters Arceus-Normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 12:27:51 No.43171628 Report

Quoted By: >>43175027

>>43171011
>Avalugg
>not good for stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 12:33:29 No.43171640 Report

Quoted By: >>43171666

>>43171610
Its second highest stat is Special Attack, that makes it a mixed attacker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 12:39:35 No.43171666 Report

Quoted By:

>>43171640
>you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:41:44 No.43172851 Report

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>>43171325
And what if their winrate is high and their usage is low? How exactly are they going to take usage and winrate into account? This sounds way more complicated than just using usage stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 16:43:25 No.43172862 Report

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>>43170927
>This level of incompetence
This board really is shit at this game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 19:44:33 No.43173893 Report

Quoted By: >>43173914

>>43170927
a whole three mons and one of them is avalugg, what a list

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 19:48:01 No.43173914 Report

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>>43173893
Not to mention none of them want their item (Heavy Duty Boots) to be knocked off. Or else they’ll get worn off by hazards. This board is retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 22:43:38 No.43175027 Report

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>>43171628
>darumaka used ember

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 22:54:38 No.43175117 Report

Quoted By: >>43175271 >>43177869

>>43114461
Those Smogon virgins better get the fuck away from my boy Mamo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 23:14:19 No.43175271 Report

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>>43175117
>boy
cringe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2020 23:56:51 No.43175584 Report

Quoted By: >>43176797 >>43177056

>caring about any tier above ru in fanfic meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Apr 2020 03:40:07 No.43176797 Report

Quoted By: >>43177853

>>43175584
The only tier that matters is Natdex AG.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Apr 2020 04:28:06 No.43177056 Report

Quoted By: >>43177853

>>43175584
>Caring about any meta other than Natdex AG

A͏n͞onym̢o̶us

A͏n͞onym̢o̶us Wed 01 Apr 2020 06:13:34 No.43177853 Report

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>>43176797
>>43177056
>Natdex AG
The only meta that matters is LC

A̕nony͏mou̡͡s

A̕nony͏mou̡͡s Wed 01 Apr 2020 06:14:38 No.43177869 Report

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>>43175117
What are you worried about them doing to Mamo?
Unless you play UU, the ban won't affect you.

A҉ńonym͏̴҉̷oúś͡҉

A҉ńonym͏̴҉̷oúś͡҉ Wed 01 Apr 2020 07:32:48 No.43178895 Report

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>>43171613
Yes.
Zacian-C and Arceus-Normal shouldn't be in Ubers if they have counters in OU or below.

An͏o͝ǹ̢ym̷̧o͡͠u̵s̨

An͏o͝ǹ̢ym̷̧o͡͠u̵s̨ Wed 01 Apr 2020 09:07:01 No.43179780 Report

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>>43171071
By definition, yes. Landorus T is a slow frail mixed attacker.
It has scarf to remedy the slowness and intimidate to remedy the frailness, and it has moves to do things other than attack, but it's still a SFMA at its core.

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